Hey Skins fans....

[silverbear]

If we're being fair here, and I think we should be, the astronomical numbers you see for these players are misleading. From the WP -

The deals for Archuleta, Randle El and Carter are nearly identical, all worth roughly $30 million over six years, with a $5 million signing bonus and between $4 million and $5 million in roster bonuses due in March 2007, according to a league source. The players make the minimum in base salary in the early years of the contract, and all three carry cap figures of about $1.5 million in 2006 and $2.5 million in 2007, with Carter counting $5 million in 2008 and Randle El and Archuleta counting about $4 million each


So they're essentially 3 year deals.

Which means they're all short-term rentals... is that the way to build a consistent contender?? I think not...

 

[seantaylor21]

Just curious how many receptions did Randle Smell have last year? Because I thought he was the third receiver at Pittsburgh.... anyone know

Why do have brady quinn on your signature? Wishfull thinking? or lack of confidence in Drew Bledsoe?

 

[seantaylor21]

The best FA signing Dallas had was Akin. TO wont do anything but ruin your world..... look at the record partners. Props to those realistic dallas fans who realize this as well.

 

[seantaylor21]

Which means they're all short-term rentals... is that the way to build a consistent contender?? I think not...

This is an ironic post isnt it?

 

[zrinkill]

So .......... you gonna borrow some dresses from the cross-dressing skin fans when ya go to the big house kid?

 

[notherbob]

If we're being fair here, and I think we should be, the astronomical numbers you see for these players are misleading. From the WP -

The deals for Archuleta, Randle El and Carter are nearly identical, all worth roughly $30 million over six years, with a $5 million signing bonus and between $4 million and $5 million in roster bonuses due in March 2007, according to a league source. The players make the minimum in base salary in the early years of the contract, and all three carry cap figures of about $1.5 million in 2006 and $2.5 million in 2007, with Carter counting $5 million in 2008 and Randle El and Archuleta counting about $4 million each


So they're essentially 3 year deals.

Even so, if any of them are released after three years, they'll each still have $2.5 million cap hits. Mortgaging the future = foolish, as the Cowboys and others have discovered. If any of them suffers a career-ending injury, the entire remaining amount accelerates into the then current year. Is this wise?

Sure the cap goes up every year, but all the other teams get the same amount of increase and the Skins will have relatively less money than the others available to sign new players. Despite the Skins' fans current optimism, the future doesn't bode well for them. They are almost done for this off-season and have only minimal opportunity in the draft whereas the Boys can sign a few more new players and still have money left over to re-sign their FAQs and a nearly full slate of draft picks.

Rejoice while you can, Skins fans, there are heavy clouds gathering on the horizon. There is a spark of hope; however, as there's plenty of room on the Cowboys bandwagon.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Synder's negotiations go something like this:

Synder: How much do you want? Done.....welcome to the Commanders

Synder: Here is a blank check. Let me know how much you make it out for.

 

[silverbear]

This is an ironic post isnt it?

Not when the Cowboys are doing it the right way, via the draft as well as free agency... and they're not digging themselves into a cap hole by renegotiating the salaries of a third of their 53 man roster (that may be a slight exaggeration, LOL) the way the Skins are...

So they won't have to cut x number of players every year to get sufficient cap room to sign free agents... they won't have to "rent" players for the short term... now, if you're referring to TO's deal, anything longer than a 3 year deal for a 32 year old WR is rather silly...

 

[seantaylor21]

Not when the Cowboys are doing it the right way, via the draft as well as free agency... and they're not digging themselves into a cap hole by renegotiating the salaries of a third of their 53 man roster (that may be a slight exaggeration, LOL) the way the Skins are...

So they won't have to cut x number of players every year to get sufficient cap room to sign free agents... they won't have to "rent" players for the short term... now, if you're referring to TO's deal, anything longer than a 3 year deal for a 32 year old WR is rather silly...

Any deal involving TO is silly. Moreover, you cut Meshawn to sign TO.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

silverbear, how long do you give a rookie to show his worth ?

And please never bring up this alledged cap hole that none of us have really seen when it regards the Commanders.

 

[Idgit]

Any deal involving TO is silly. Moreover, you cut Meshawn to sign TO.

I guess we'll see which one of us is doing it right on the field next year.

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51543

 

[Phrozen Phil]

silverbear, how long do you give a rookie to show his worth ?

And please never bring up this alledged cap hole that none of us have really seen when it regards the Commanders.

Those are fair questions. In the first instance, I think that how a rookie does may depend more on his position than anything. Running Backs and D-Backs seem to catch on quickly. WR's seem to get a break and are allowed to develop over a year or two. O-Linemen often get better over time. The diificult one is QB. It's hard to find a consistent formula for QB's in recent years, as some of the young guys have had multiple coaching changes ( Patrick Ramsey ) or are on teams that haven't given them the surrounding cast that they need. ( David Carr ) Either way, plenty of teams, including the Cowboys and Commanders, have struggled to develop young QB's in this current decade. Either way, the debate on this question will gone on and on.

As far as the second question goes, it appears that when a deal is signed, it's real impact is often not clearly understood. People here refer to "Cap Hell", but it's only cap hell if you kep the guy for the full length of his deal. I won't pretend to understand how this works at this point, as it appears to be more of an accounting question than a football one. The business of signing bonuses, roster bonuses, and restructured deals is something that just gives me a headache.

 

[superpunk]

Which means they're all short-term rentals... is that the way to build a consistent contender?? I think not...

I don't disagree, but the overpaying thing seems to be a bit of a myth. At the end of three years they will either restructure or be cut, so the 30 million figures are misleading.

 

[superpunk]

Even so, if any of them are released after three years, they'll each still have $2.5 million cap hits. Mortgaging the future = foolish, as the Cowboys and others have discovered. If any of them suffers a career-ending injury, the entire remaining amount accelerates into the then current year. Is this wise?

Not at all. Furthermore, the constant throwing away of draft picks prevents them from ever accumulating inexpensive depth, players that can be brought up within a system and play significant roles if necessary.

Sure the cap goes up every year, but all the other teams get the same amount of increase and the Skins will have relatively less money than the others available to sign new players. Despite the Skins' fans current optimism, the future doesn't bode well for them. They are almost done for this off-season and have only minimal opportunity in the draft whereas the Boys can sign a few more new players and still have money left over to re-sign their FAQs and a nearly full slate of draft picks.

I'm convinced the Skins will never be left out in the cold when it comes to signing FAs. The only problem will come when attempting to resign their own players, who want more money because of their performance FOR the team, and justifiably so. That is where they will continue to fail , along with the draft.

Funny thing - the proven method to win in the salary cap era? Draft well, and keep those draftees with the team long term. The Commanders don't draft at all, and let their draftees go the second they're up for new contracts. They're like a little kid, who would rather have his friends toys, than play with the good ones he already has.

 

[MONT17]

Burgundy kool aid... I think thats Raspberry and Lemon!!!

 

[seantaylor21]

The eagles signed to to put them over the edge.... it did not work. It wont work for dallas either. One player does not mean you make the playoffs. Get real

 

[Echo9]

If the Cowboys paid that for a 3rd receiver the fans would snap!

Washington does it and their fans think it was the greatest "heist" since the great train robbery.

I think Jerry, Stephen and Purcells have done a much better job at managing the cap.

Funny how that works.

While I do agree that the Skins overspent on Randle El. I don't think his past production is what the Skins are expecting. If you'll remember, Santana Moss was little more than a return guy and occasional deep threat with the Jets.

I, for one thought the Skins got jobbed last year in a straight up trade for Coles.

Turns out, I was entirely wrong.

I think we are all going to be somewhat dissapointed (as Cowboys fans) in Randle El's contributions next year.

Yes, they overpaid, but they did improve. In the long run, it may come back to bite them (even if previous binges really haven't), but they ARE going to be a more difficult opponent than last year.

Luckily, we've improved as well.

 

[DallasEast]

Synder: Here is a blank check. Let me know how much you make it out for.

 

[superpunk]

The eagles signed to to put them over the edge.... it did not work. It wont work for dallas either. One player does not mean you make the playoffs. Get real

Noone's counting on one player to take us to the super bowl. Get real. Our young force (we got those by something called a draft. It's coming up, but I doubt you're interested) prgressing, along with the veterans stepping up, is what's going to get us where we want to be.

 

[superpunk]

While I do agree that the Skins overspent on Randle El. I don't think his past production is what the Skins are expecting. If you'll remember, Santana Moss was little more than a return guy and occasional deep threat with the Jets.

Wow. I don't call 1100 yards and 10 TDs in 12 starts a return guy and occassional deep threat.