Hibbert Fined 75K For Remarks

[Manwiththeplan]

So one thing they can't do.. in some states.

Wow.. what a plight.

so much more than you know factors into that. gotta head to work but will definately expand on this later

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Okay, this "one thing in the whole wide world" effects

-Adoption
Its easier to adopt children when you are married as opposed to single.
-Parental rights
If the child/children are bilogically speaking, one of the two partners, then the grandparents have more rights than the other spouse in case of their death.
-Health care
In states where their marrige isn't legal, the other spouse cannot use their health care. In the case of my mother and father, they were able to pool their healthcare together for his liver transplant. A homosexual couple cannot always do the same.
-Survivors annuity
When my dad died, since he was a government employee, my mother recieves a certain amount each month. A homosexual couple doesn't always recieve this.

These are just off the top of my head. Not to mention any other rights spouses usually get, like not being barred from a funeral just because the other spouses parents disagree with their lifestyle

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Now, when you say, "your momma is so fat she would kill a man if she sat on his head.."

Why is it that you choose to say "your momma"? My mother is in fact, not fat at all, so i don't understand why you would insult her like that.

:bang2: yeah because they are the same things

 

[AbeBeta]

My point was he didn't use it in a derogatory manner.

No, your point is that YOU don't see it as derogatory. You have no insight into Roy Hibbert's intentions. I expect many gay folks do see any use of terms like "homo" as derogatory. How you feel about the term is irrelevant. The fact that lots of young guys use the term regularly is irrelevant. More than irrelevant, it is completely insensitive to how others might feel about the phrase.

 

[AbeBeta]

WOW, the pink elephant in this room is so big it is filling the room, .. bulging out the windows and door.

Stay PC though.

The 19th century is calling. They want their opinions back.

 

[AbeBeta]

Do we want to live in a society where these sorts of jokes can be made in public? It all comes down to the intent of the speaker. These comments can be made with and without malice. And it's the malice that, all of us, I hope, have a problem with. The hard part is sorting the one from the other. Personally, I like things to be restricted as little as possible, but I understand the other side of that pancake, too.

The flaw in this argument is that it is impossible for anyone but the speaker to know their intent. Clearly, when asked, someone who says something like that is rarely going to cop to bad intentions.

 

[RastaRocket]

No, your point is that YOU don't see it as derogatory. You have no insight into Roy Hibbert's intentions. I expect many gay folks do see any use of terms like "homo" as derogatory. How you feel about the term is irrelevant. The fact that lots of young guys use the term regularly is irrelevant. More than irrelevant, it is completely insensitive to how others might feel about the phrase.

Um ya, it's actually completely obvious. It was a "no homo" joke.

I'm guessing many older members here do not use or hear that joke very often. I don't know anybody's age but I'm just saying. It's an extremely common joke and he used it just like anybody would. So quit making it out to be more than it is. It was a no homo joke.

Unprofessional? Yes. Anti Gay rights slur? No.

 

[AbeBeta]

Um ya, it's actually completely obvious. It was a "no homo" joke.

I'm guessing many older members here do not use or hear that joke very often. I don't know anybody's age but I'm just saying. It's an extremely common joke and he used it just like anybody would. So quit making it out to be more than it is. It was a no homo joke.

Unprofessional? Yes. Anti Gay rights slur? No.

Son, maybe you are too young to recall how people used to use the term "Jewed" to refer to being cheap or "Indian Giver" to refer to taking a gift back.

People often used those mindlessly, jokingly, and even innocently. How do those phrase look now?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Son, maybe you are too young to recall how people used to use the term "Jewed" to refer to being cheap or "Indian Giver" to refer to taking a gift back.

People often used those mindlessly, jokingly, and even innocently. How do those phrase look now?

And just how is it that the common stereo types originate?

 

[StarHead69]

So it is a compliment to say he isn't a homo? Still clearly a slur.

It's certainly not an insult.

Apparently it's fine-and-dandy to call people racist, bigot, etc... when they don't embrace every 'lifestyle out there. Just to be clear, it's ok to call someone a 'homophobe', but not a 'homo'?

 

[AbeBeta]

And just how is it that the common stereo types originate?

Your post suggests you have an answer.

 

[AbeBeta]

It's certainly not an insult.

Apparently it's fine-and-dandy to call people racist, bigot, etc... when they don't embrace every 'lifestyle out there. Just to be clear, it's ok to call someone a 'homophobe', but not a 'homo'?

Never called h a homophobe. I said his comment could be taken that way and would be offensive to some.

But I do like how you've suggested a gay lifestyle is a choice. I presume don't get up each day and say "hmmm. I'm gonna be straight today." Gay folks aren't choosing either.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Never called h a homophobe. I said his comment could be taken that way and would be offensive to some.

But I do like how you've suggested a gay lifestyle is a choice. I presume don't get up each day and say "hmmm. I'm gonna be straight today." Gay folks aren't choosing either.

You know this how?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Your post suggests you have an answer.

And yours suggests you're afraid to admit it.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

It's certainly not an insult.

no, it very much is. it isn't used to insult one specific person, but whether it's intended or not, it puts down homosexuals as a whole.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Okay, this "one thing in the whole wide world" effects

-Adoption
Its easier to adopt children when you are married as opposed to single.
-Parental rights
If the child/children are bilogically speaking, one of the two partners, then the grandparents have more rights than the other spouse in case of their death.
-Health care
In states where their marrige isn't legal, the other spouse cannot use their health care. In the case of my mother and father, they were able to pool their healthcare together for his liver transplant. A homosexual couple cannot always do the same.
-Survivors annuity
When my dad died, since he was a government employee, my mother recieves a certain amount each month. A homosexual couple doesn't always recieve this.

These are just off the top of my head. Not to mention any other rights spouses usually get, like not being barred from a funeral just because the other spouses parents disagree with their lifestyle

I understand what you're saying, you could have just condensed it by saying they don't get the rights that married couples get.. which is a given in states where their marraige isn't legal. In a couple years from now, im sure homosexuals will be allowed to be married in most states. I don't see why its a huge deal.. let them be as miserable as the rest of us, lol. Once people get used to the concept of homosexuality not being taboo anymore and it simply being a lifestyle choice, i doubt it will be a big issue. Certainly there will still be those who look to insult and cut down that group, but you can say that about any group of people. There will always be people who have to be negative, no matter what.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

No, your point is that YOU don't see it as derogatory. You have no insight into Roy Hibbert's intentions. I expect many gay folks do see any use of terms like "homo" as derogatory. How you feel about the term is irrelevant. The fact that lots of young guys use the term regularly is irrelevant. More than irrelevant, it is completely insensitive to how others might feel about the phrase.

Neither do you, but that hasn't stopped you yet.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

That's hardly the same as "let's get offended by people using the phrase hetero" -- you know that and know you are on the wrong end of history with your outdated views.

I HATE, HATE, HATE this phrase. People have been trotting this phrase out lately when their argument holds no water.

Wrong end of history? According to who, your crystal ball?

 

[WV Cowboy]

But I do like how you've suggested a gay lifestyle is a choice. I presume don't get up each day and say "hmmm. I'm gonna be straight today." Gay folks aren't choosing either.

Everyone chooses who they have sexual relations with, and who they don't.

Unless it is rape, everyone makes a choice.

 

[WV Cowboy]

The 19th century is calling. They want their opinions back.

You could even say the 20th century, .. and yes, they do want those opinions back, .. many many want those opinions back.