Hindsight is always 20/20

[Marktui]

But did we make the right move firing Rob Ryan ?
I mean we are ranked 28th on defence in the NFL.
We had 7 staters go down on defence last year , and they still looked better than this year's version.
I know there will be a transition period , but some of our better players seem miscast in this defensive scheme (Carter, Ware and Mo to name 3).
Meanwhile Rob has taken a sorry group from last year's Saints team and has them playing pretty solid D.
What to you folks think ?

Regardless , like you said hindsight is always 20/20. I listened to Stretch Smith and Bryan Broadus and they said that Ryan did something's schematically that was unsound. Also he had no luck slowing down RG3 and that attack. He also has the benefit of having one of the best offenses to back him up. Bree's is a defenses best friend. 5 games in and let's not make him the next hottest coach up next for a HC position.

Kiffens corner stone of his great defense was getting to the passer. Last two games we have not even layed a finger on Rivers and Manning. Carter, Lee, Durant and Sims have not been good in coverage. Those underneath routes have been killing us. They must tackle and keep them from gaining yards after the catch. Chicago still runs a cover two, but Urlacher and Briggs kept the underneath routes locked down to minimal yardage. That play in the first quarter where Church broke his nose on the tackle and pass breakup on Welker, that is what that defense needs to do. That's is what Kiffen wants. But too many times coverage was loose and YAC came into play. If Qbs are getting the ball out on three to five step drops our backers have to be more precise on their drops and tackle better in space.

 

[EPL0c0]

Ryan has been 10x more creative with the Saints than he ever was with Dallas...and they are managing to get pressure with the front 4, which also never happened consistently.

Rob Ryan is just working with what he has on hand. The same thing went for Wade Phillips in Houston. It says a lot about the players in Dallas.

 

[Future]

Rob Ryan is just working with what he has on hand. The same thing went for Wade Phillips in Houston. It says a lot about the players in Dallas.

Wade Phillips' D in Houston sucked the second half of the year he went there.

This whole scheme thing is being overblown. Kiffin has nothing to do with Woodhead smoking Bruce Carter for 2 TDs....if I were a betting man, I would have bet on Carter to win that battle.

 

[The Natural]

Rob Ryan is just working with what he has on hand. The same thing went for Wade Phillips in Houston. It says a lot about the players in Dallas.

The Saints have much better personnel for the 3-4 defense. A legitimate playmaker Cam Jordan on one end, a legitimate nose tackle in Brodrick Bunkley, and a 330 lb bully in Akiem Hicks at the other end. And somehow we thought we could get by letting Ratliff get abused in the middle with beyond average ends like Marcus Spears and Kenyon Coleman.

 

[EPL0c0]

The Saints have much better personnel for the 3-4 defense. A legitimate playmaker Cam Jordan on one end, a legitimate nose tackle in Brodrick Bunkley, and a 330 lb bully in Akiem Hicks at the other end. And somehow we thought we could get by letting Ratliff get abused in the middle with beyond average ends like Marcus Spears and Kenyon Coleman.

and they lost 2 of their better players in Smith and Vilma. Kinda scary how good that D could be otherwise.

Wade Phillips' D in Houston sucked the second half of the year he went there.

This whole scheme thing is being overblown. Kiffin has nothing to do with Woodhead smoking Bruce Carter for 2 TDs....if I were a betting man, I would have bet on Carter to win that battle.

It does come down to the players. Players MUST execute. Yes, some guys are better suited for some schemes than others, but those basics, not letting a receiver behind you, being completely out of position, biting hard on playaction and leaving a guy open, not tackling, ... those have nothing to do with scheme/coaching. At this level of football, guys shouldn't have to be taught HOW to tackle. They shouldn't be taught basics. That should be in them already. Scheme/coaching should be about teaching a player to read what's happening so they can react better/faster...and execute.

 

[bayeslife]

Yes. The 4-3 is much better suited to our players.

We just are absent an entire D-line due to injuries and Hatcher being the only one worth anything.