Hitchens took all 1st team reps

[xwalker]

Was that Mark Ballard? And if IRRC he didn't work out for the Patriots, but they took a shot, couldn't blame them.

Yes, I think it was Ballard.

 

[tantrix1969]

Was that Mark Ballard? And if IRRC he didn't work out for the Patriots, but they took a shot, couldn't blame them.

Think it was Jake Ballard

 

[KDM256]

I hope Hitchens plays out of his mind this year and hold down the MLB spot going forward.

If this is not the case, I would suggest MLB would be a top priority in next years draft.

 

[BigStar]

James was not that bad, but I do understand to some extent what you're saying. He seemed like a guy that thought he was an All-Pro. He had a weekly evening radio show and was really quite arrogant and had a high sense of entitlement, IMO.

He was great against the run but really struggled in coverage.

I think this is the reason for the distaste for James. He was the spokesman for a D that was many times @ fault for the losses that just occured. Then the weekly quotes after those defensive letdowns were countered with "1 or 2 plays could've made a difference" talk that futher agitated some fans. Felt he was good pickup and contributor for the team (outside of his last season). He was a good run defender and was a liability in coverage, especially once his athleticism declined as result of age.

 

[dstovall5]

regardless how we feel about him being injury prone or whatever, this is something that sets this man apart.

a lot of guys would sulk and feel sorry for themselves...this man the very next day is already helping a rookie with plays to make sure he still is helping the team in any way that he can.

he is the epitomy of "bad things happen to good people"

He definitely has the mental make-up that you want in a football player, but sadly he just hasn't been able to hold up physically. If more of our players had his mentality, this team would be a lot better then 8-8.


On another note, hopefully Lee rubs off (not that way) on Bruce Carter where he takes a similar approach, because if he ever did he would be one helluva LB. Though I'm doubtful, because it's not like Carter was a rookie last year.

 

[Eddie]

... I'll kill the first born pharaoh's son... I'm creeping death!

Hetfield screwed the pooch on this one. It's supposed to be the pharoah's first born son. Not the first born pharoah's son.

 

[jterrell]

I think they can put him on TC PUP list, and not count toward the 90 man roster. Yes, then move him to the IR or just leave him on the PUP at the start of regular season, then move him to IR after 6 weeks into the season. No hurry to place him on IR.

No reason to PUP anyone now because they still count against 90 man roster which is why they can be made active at any time.


The preseason, or "active," PUP list is for players who start training camp hurt. Players on the active list can be activated at any time and count against the roster limit. Once a player practices, even for five minutes, they cannot be placed on the active PUP list.

Once camp ends, at the second roster cutdown deadline (Aug. 31) teams must decide whether to activate any players on PUP or move them to the "reserve" list. Players moved to the reserve list do not count against the 53-man active roster limit, but those players cannot participate in practices or games for the first six weeks of the season.

 

[Szczepanik]

Luck has nothing to do with it. He's injury prone. He carried that label before he became a Cowboy.

Guys like Sean Lee and Matt Johnson aren't unlucky. They're simply fragile. In Lee's case its a shame, because he actually has talent.

Completely disagree. There is no anatomical difference, or anatomical reason that Lee consistently gets injured. Injury prone is a made up term that in the end...equals bad luck.

Sean Lee's bones and ligaments are made the exact same as other players. In terms of anatomy and physiology, he is made the exact same. It comes down to luck of the draw when injuries happen.

If his bones and ligaments were weaker or more "fragile" as you speak of, then he would of been diagnosed with a disease that would of prevented him from ever playing.

Sorry, I am getting on a tangent here based on my schooling, but I cannot professionally agree with the term "injury prone" because it does not exist.

It is called bad luck. Miles Austin had a structural problem with his hamstrings which is a different scenario. Sean Lee's injuries do not correlate with one another.

Resulting.. in bad luck. Some people just have awful luck in life, Sean Lee has that problem in his professional career. Fragile, he is not however.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Completely disagree. There is no anatomical difference, or anatomical reason that Lee consistently gets injured. Injury prone is a made up term that in the end...equals bad luck.

Sean Lee's bones and ligaments are made the exact same as other players. In terms of anatomy and physiology, he is made the exact same. It comes down to luck of the draw when injuries happen.

If his bones and ligaments were weaker or more "fragile" as you speak of, then he would of been diagnosed with a disease that would of prevented him from ever playing.

Sorry, I am getting on a tangent here based on my schooling, but I cannot professionally agree with the term "injury prone" because it does not exist.

It is called bad luck. Miles Austin had a structural problem with his hamstrings which is a different scenario. Sean Lee's injuries do not correlate with one another.

Resulting.. in bad luck. Some people just have awful luck in life, Sean Lee has that problem in his professional career. Fragile, he is not however.

Boom..lawyered.

 

[xwalker]

Completely disagree. There is no anatomical difference, or anatomical reason that Lee consistently gets injured. Injury prone is a made up term that in the end...equals bad luck.

Sean Lee's bones and ligaments are made the exact same as other players. In terms of anatomy and physiology, he is made the exact same. It comes down to luck of the draw when injuries happen.

If his bones and ligaments were weaker or more "fragile" as you speak of, then he would of been diagnosed with a disease that would of prevented him from ever playing.

Sorry, I am getting on a tangent here based on my schooling, but I cannot professionally agree with the term "injury prone" because it does not exist.

It is called bad luck. Miles Austin had a structural problem with his hamstrings which is a different scenario. Sean Lee's injuries do not correlate with one another.

Resulting.. in bad luck. Some people just have awful luck in life, Sean Lee has that problem in his professional career. Fragile, he is not however.

Does that mean that I have the same bones and ligaments as Lebron?

 

[Szczepanik]

Does that mean that I have the same bones and ligaments as Lebron?

No, King James is not even human.

 

[Rockport]

To be able to come in as a rookie and play the MLB position is a lot to ask. If he can do it, then it will be an outstanding pick. Personally, I hope Holloman can win the position to give Hitchens time to develop some more. I don't like the idea of a rookie playing that position. The MLB has to be a leader on the defense.

 

[TheEnigma]

I assume the special team's coach is REALLY the guy that is the most upset...after all, didn't he lay in front of the bus or train or whatever to get Hitch?

I think people may have this confused. I remember someone in the chat going on and on saying the same thing during the draft. However, when they called Hitchens to let him know they were picking him they said that it was Eberflus who practically laid down in front of a bus/train for him and then they handed the phone over to him. Eberflus is the linebacker coach.

 

[honyock]

Completely disagree. There is no anatomical difference, or anatomical reason that Lee consistently gets injured. Injury prone is a made up term that in the end...equals bad luck.

Sean Lee's bones and ligaments are made the exact same as other players. In terms of anatomy and physiology, he is made the exact same. It comes down to luck of the draw when injuries happen.

If his bones and ligaments were weaker or more "fragile" as you speak of, then he would of been diagnosed with a disease that would of prevented him from ever playing.

No. This is wrong on several fronts.

You're arguing that all players have the same anatomy and physiology as each other. That they all fall in exactly the same place on the range of human variation in terms of things like ligamentous laxity vs tautness, bone strength, speed and degree that they lay down scar tissue, integrity and strength of the connective tissue, muscle tone, etc. That doesn't fit what we know about human variation.

There's not a single human attribute that I can think of that doesn't have variation from one person to the next. If you have medical or health training, we could make a list of the attributes that exhibit variation, and it'd be a very very very long list that would take days or weeks to make and we'd still leave some out. Can you think of any attribute in which every person is exactly the same?

There is a really strong possiblity that some of those attributes - say ligamentous strength or tautness vs laxity - can show within normal ranges within the general population. But it's still not quite good enough under extreme conditions (like being an NFL player).. What's normal (not disease) for you and me may still not be adequate for an NFL player who is pushing the edge of the envelope in human performance. The idea that one player's "fragility" relative to his peers would automatically show up as 'disease', I can't buy that for a second. We don't have that level of sophistication of testing or understanding of all those variations.

I can get it that luck and randomness plays a part in why players get injured. Maybe Lee's history of soft tissue injuries dating back to college is purely randomness or luck. But you just can't say definitely that it's not related to any soft tissue weakness or instability or tendency to tear that he's got, that only shows up when playing a fast and violent game.

 

[Doc50]

No. This is wrong on several fronts.

You're arguing that all players have the same anatomy and physiology as each other. That they all fall in exactly the same place on the range of human variation in terms of things like ligamentous laxity vs tautness, bone strength, speed and degree that they lay down scar tissue, integrity and strength of the connective tissue, muscle tone, etc. That doesn't fit what we know about human variation.

There's not a single human attribute that I can think of that doesn't have variation from one person to the next. If you have medical or health training, we could make a list of the attributes that exhibit variation, and it'd be a very very very long list that would take days or weeks to make and we'd still leave some out. Can you think of any attribute in which every person is exactly the same?

There is a really strong possiblity that some of those attributes - say ligamentous strength or tautness vs laxity - can show within normal ranges within the general population. But it's still not quite good enough under extreme conditions (like being an NFL player).. What's normal (not disease) for you and me may still not be adequate for an NFL player who is pushing the edge of the envelope in human performance. The idea that one player's "fragility" relative to his peers would automatically show up as 'disease', I can't buy that for a second. We don't have that level of sophistication of testing or understanding of all those variations.

I can get it that luck and randomness plays a part in why players get injured. Maybe Lee's history of soft tissue injuries dating back to college is purely randomness or luck. But you just can't say definitely that it's not related to any soft tissue weakness or instability or tendency to tear that he's got, that only shows up when playing a fast and violent game.

I agree.

Variation among species is a given.

I see patients all the time who simply cannot hold up to the daily rigors of their job without recurrent tendinitis or other maladies that their colleagues of the same age and build tolerate without any problem.

While it is not as likely in sports that an individual will have multiple injuries opposed to one chronically injured joint, it certainly does happen, and it doesn't require a definitive connective tissue or bone disease or steroid use.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

No. This is wrong on several fronts.

You're arguing that all players have the same anatomy and physiology as each other. That they all fall in exactly the same place on the range of human variation in terms of things like ligamentous laxity vs tautness, bone strength, speed and degree that they lay down scar tissue, integrity and strength of the connective tissue, muscle tone, etc. That doesn't fit what we know about human variation.

There's not a single human attribute that I can think of that doesn't have variation from one person to the next. If you have medical or health training, we could make a list of the attributes that exhibit variation, and it'd be a very very very long list that would take days or weeks to make and we'd still leave some out. Can you think of any attribute in which every person is exactly the same?

There is a really strong possiblity that some of those attributes - say ligamentous strength or tautness vs laxity - can show within normal ranges within the general population. But it's still not quite good enough under extreme conditions (like being an NFL player).. What's normal (not disease) for you and me may still not be adequate for an NFL player who is pushing the edge of the envelope in human performance. The idea that one player's "fragility" relative to his peers would automatically show up as 'disease', I can't buy that for a second. We don't have that level of sophistication of testing or understanding of all those variations.

I can get it that luck and randomness plays a part in why players get injured. Maybe Lee's history of soft tissue injuries dating back to college is purely randomness or luck. But you just can't say definitely that it's not related to any soft tissue weakness or instability or tendency to tear that he's got, that only shows up when playing a fast and violent game.

Well at this juncture Lee will have two ACL's that he wasn't born with when he takes the field next.

 

[honyock]

Well at this juncture Lee will have two ACL's that he wasn't born with when he takes the field next.

If only we could check the injury history of the donors.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If only we could check the injury history of the donors.

Maybe we can check with ACLfax.

 

[Fredd]

Maybe we can check with ACLfax.

would the spokesman for ACLfax, instead of being the "fox", actually be Lee? just curious

 

[MichaelWinicki]

would the spokesman for ACLfax, instead of being the "fox", actually be Lee? just curious

Probably a zombie missing its ACL's.