Hmmm, something Parcells said

[Doomsday101]

How so? He is not playing center for all the reps, now is he?

I'm pretty sure he's getting some first team reps, and some 2nd team reps, so which reps will he be missing if he changes colors and plays 3rd or 4th team reps at NT?

Heck, experiencing line play from the other side could make him a better OL, too.

There is no need to make him split his time, he is finally showing himself as a real option at center enough so that Parcells has had something positive to say about him. I would much rather see him focusing in on a position that he has a real chance at success with

 

[blindzebra]

I agree. I don't know that I would like to see this. Holding a gap and blocking someone is totally different from trying to explode a gap and get unblocked.

Run blocking is how much different than plugging at NT? Keep and mind that the number one priority in a 3-4 is get some push, tie up the blockers, and hold the point of attack. Any tackles or sacks are gravy.

 

[blindzebra]

There is no need to make him split his time, he is finally showing himself as a real option at center enough so that Parcells has had something positive to say about him. I would much rather see him focusing in on a position that he has a real chance at success with

You buying that?

Parcells made comments about showing something for several other players too, right before he cut them.

 

[Doomsday101]

You buying that?

Parcells made comments about showing something for several other players too, right before he cut them.

I agree Bill could just be playing mind games but they do have Gurode working at center and I think that is enough on his plate to deal with. As Center he has to be able to make the line calls so I would much rather see him concentrating on center than working out at a position that he has never played before and would have even less of a chance at.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

That all you can come up with BZ?

 

[jobberone]

I don't think you could say he wouldn't be able to do it. Athletes can do a lot and I agree there is not that much difference in going from interior OL to NT D. I think it takes more to go the other way.

However, you have to look at it from Parcells standpoint. There is Fergy and Glover with a log jam of people on the DL creating problems of who to put where and who to cut. Someone from out DL in camp will end up on somebody elses roster IMO. So we don't really need another NT IMO altho it would hurt to put him over there for a few plays to see what he could do IMO.

You have Gurode, Walter, and Johnson at center. So you have a solid position there IMO. You might not like Gurode or Walter but IMO they are solid backups and if the story is true then Gurode might even beat Johnson out.

So my point is why experiment. Myself, I see no problem experimenting some but I doubt Parcells is as adventursome as me or you BZ. I think it's not a bad idea but I bet he won't take your phone calls anymore than he does mine.

 

[blindzebra]

That all you can come up with BZ?

You need some big bodies to OCCUPY AND ENGAGE up front in the 3-4, for it to work there HH.

 

[Chuck 54]

It's an interesting thought, but I don't think it serves a purpose.

Will he unseat Ferguson as the starter? no
Will he unseat Glover as the big play/pass rush guy? no

So maybe he'll be decent enough to compete with guys like Carson.

Meanwhile, he's definitely our #2 center competing for playing time and pushing Johnson, and he's a backup OG with actual starting game experience.

I see no reason to try anything on defense with him...he's not a bum like Woody Dantzler who's going to get cut if we don't find something for him to do.

Leave Gurode at Center/OG.

 

[blindzebra]

I don't think you could say he wouldn't be able to do it. Athletes can do a lot and I agree there is not that much difference in going from interior OL to NT D. I think it takes more to go the other way.

However, you have to look at it from Parcells standpoint. There is Fergy and Glover with a log jam of people on the DL creating problems of who to put where and who to cut. Someone from out DL in camp will end up on somebody elses roster IMO. So we don't really need another NT IMO altho it would hurt to put him over there for a few plays to see what he could do IMO.

You have Gurode, Walter, and Johnson at center. So you have a solid position there IMO. You might not like Gurode or Walter but IMO they are solid backups and if the story is true then Gurode might even beat Johnson out.

So my point is why experiment. Myself, I see no problem experimenting some but I doubt Parcells is as adventursome as me or you BZ. I think it's not a bad idea but I bet he won't take your phone calls anymore than he does mine.

I'm not buying all the glowing Gurode talk Jobber, we have seen it too many times. I really think Tarullo pushes Walter or Gurode off the roster, especially if Noll, Rogers and Petitti make it.

We currently have a numbers crunch on both lines, but have issues at NT if we go base 3-4, so if you can use a guy to back up G/C and in a pinch at NT, you pretty much saved at least one roster spot.

 

[Crown Royal]

Run blocking is how much different than plugging at NT? Keep and mind that the number one priority in a 3-4 is get some push, tie up the blockers, and hold the point of attack. Any tackles or sacks are gravy.

I don't mean this as an insult, but, in HS, peewee, college, whatever level you played, did you play line?

Run blocking, you are deflecting the DLine in 0 space, usually trying to coerce them either into a direction or backward. The lineman, though, is fighting against you, trying to rip through your block, go the other way, etc.

As the DT, even the NT, you are fighting against the guy. While what you say is true about the nose, that you are eating blocks, there is more to it than that. The techniques are different on each side.

Trying to move OLmen to DL and vice versa is kind of like the rash of people trying to convert CBs to FSs and what not - they may look alike, but they really are different positions.

Further - he seems to be excelling at center. Why move him now? Let him ride this progress.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Lets be happy Gurode is playing well period..

 

[BEASToftheEAST]

Gurode has a mean streak? He hasn't shown it in the 3 or 4 yrs he's been here. The only streak I have seen from him is his false starts.

Remember Willie Blade? Now there was a NT with a mean streak! In his pants!

 

[Doomsday101]

Lets be happy Gurode is playing well period..

I agree. I don't think Gurode can afford to have a bad training camp, he has to show his value to the team this training camp or it could mean the end for him in Dallas. I like him and will be pulling for him

 

[Doomsday101]

Remember Willie Blade? Now there was a NT with a mean streak! In his pants!

I agree but he has been his own worst enemy by having a poor work ethic and constantly overweight. When the guy is on he can play some good ball but just has no discipline

 

[blindzebra]

Further - he seems to be excelling at center. Why move him now? Let him ride this progress.

If you buy the hype, I don't.

I'm aware they are different, but as Parcells said the other day, it's football.

Moving a player where you want them is what a run blocker and a 3-4 NT does. Parcells described it the other day by saying the lineman had to be aware of the LBs rush angles. So if the inside backer is responsible for this gap the NT needs to hold the point of attack and try to keep that gap open.

That sounds a lot like what you said about re-directing the defender when you blocked them.

 

[dargonking999]

Remember Willie Blade? Now there was a NT with a mean streak! In his pants!

that guy was a good NT he was the strengh the abilty, his opnly problem was mental, if coudl have fixed that he would have been great depth for us


BTW is he still with us?

 

[Doomsday101]

If you buy the hype, I don't.

I'm aware they are different, but as Parcells said the other day, it's football.

Moving a player where you want them is what a run blocker and a 3-4 NT does. Parcells described it the other day by saying the lineman had to be aware of the LBs rush angles. So if the inside backer is responsible for this gap the NT needs to hold the point of attack and try to keep that gap open.

That sounds a lot like what you said about re-directing the defender when you blocked them.

Do you really think Bill is going to move Gurode to NT? I'm not disagreeing with your logic but do you really think Bill has any intent on doing it? Myself not a chance

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Just had a mental image of Dat...

flat on his back with stars swirling around his head. Wishing he were in New Orleans.

Nah, it's too early in this 3-4 implemretation to be fooling around with this level of experimentation, and too late in Dre's career to hinge it on a transition to defense.
Not fair to either the team or the individual player to attempt such an experiement just yet.

I want to see Dre stick here, whether as a valuable center/guard back up, in rotation with Al, or acknowledged starter ( tho I doubt he pulls that off).

Dre's just the kind of player who gets released and then turns up in NE or Philly, where the coaches make a player out of him. A mighty good one.

Good two-gapping noses...they don't seem to grow on trees, or fall off olines either.

Or we'd see a mess of humungous late-blooming slugs converted, I think.

 

[jobberone]

I'm not buying all the glowing Gurode talk Jobber, we have seen it too many times. I really think Tarullo pushes Walter or Gurode off the roster, especially if Noll, Rogers and Petitti make it.

We currently have a numbers crunch on both lines, but have issues at NT if we go base 3-4, so if you can use a guy to back up G/C and in a pinch at NT, you pretty much saved at least one roster spot.

Well I'm not buying into it completely as it's early. But it's a real item now and not just rumor. I'm glad to see we are solid at center.

I think we are ok at NT. I'd like to see a couple of the JAGs step it up. It's not a bad idea but it's not going to happen IMO.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

What amazing post next BZ?
"Hey billy cundiff is small, maybe he can play Lber"?
:laugh2: