Hollis Thomas...

[faninjersey]

Oh KNOCK it off already!!! The guy used the stuff to give him a competitive advantage over his peers. You can't do that... he got caught... and is covering his tracks. End of story.

sheesh

 

[Pleading the Fif]

Oh KNOCK it off already!!! The guy used the stuff to give him a competitive advantage over his peers. You can't do that... he got caught... and is covering his tracks. End of story.

sheesh

Thank you, deus ex machina, but that's not the end of the story. There is a legitimate argument that he was using albuterol (which almost all asthmatics and children with reactive airway disease) and a resultant false positive showed up. Just because you "think" he was using it to gain a competitive advantage means nothing and adds nothing factual to the story.

 

[Pleading the Fif]

it has mild anabolic effects not none. It is also useful when on a restricted calorie diet as it helps our bodies to use fat stores rather than the proteins stored in muscle. So in effect you can severely restrict your diet lose fat while gaining muscle mass, which otherwise wouldn't be possible. In that sense it is very similar to steriods in that it allows a gain of muscle mass and a reduction in body fat.

What you are describing is not an anabolism. It's catabolism. Fat is burned as a result of using Clen. Anabolic properties of the drug have never been shown in humans. But believe what you will.

Also, steroids allow for a gain in muscle mass, not a reduction in body fat. Why do you think body builders use drugs like clen, ephedrine, and even caffeine to burn fat?

 

[stealth]

What you are describing is not an anabolism. It's catabolism. Fat is burned as a result of using Clen. Anabolic properties of the drug have never been shown in humans. But believe what you will.

Also, steroids allow for a gain in muscle mass, not a reduction in body fat. Why do you think body builders use drugs like clen, ephedrine, and even caffeine to burn fat?

believe what you will but it has shown to cause minimal muscle mass gains not none. and it's anti-catabolic and catabolic, but the definition you used is anti-catabolic. Its a very odd substance in its application and results, it has shown great gans in animals while showing minimal in humans. And steroids do increase muscle mass and at the same time allows a reduction in fat. Just not all of them. Ten years ago body builders thought clen gave them significant gains and it was hoped to be a drug test beating way to still use something to cheat muscle gains.

 

[SaintSand]

FWIW, one of the posters on a Saints board talked to someone in the know regarding NFL testing. From that conversation, it is pretty clear that Thomas tested positive. The tests are two fold. The first looks for a "class" of possible drugs, while the second test identifies the exact drug taken. The second test is so precise that it can even identify how the drug was taken....ingested, inhaled, etc. I believe that the medication that Thomas was taking would show up as a "false positive" on the first part of the test, it would not show up as false positive on the second part.

Looks like Thomas has earned this suspension. It is a shame, because I really thought highly of him. Hopefully, our back up will hold his own.

 

[zeromaster]

Looks like Thomas has earned this suspension. It is a shame, because I really thought highly of him. Hopefully, our back up will hold his own.

Just so long as he doesn't hold our own. Otherwise it will be thread city on missed calls again.


BTW, I'm in agreement on the league needing to do a better policing job on these zebras. Call the rules, don't orchestrate the game.

 

[trueblue1687]

Haven't read through all the posts in this thread because it is a bit dated now (a day or two old ), but I do know that Clenbuterol and albuterol are kissing cousins so to speak. They are both medicines used in the treatment of asthma. Clenbuterol is also commonly used by athletes for just what the article says: fat burning (unlikely for Hollis) and increased energy. He would likely get a double benefit if he really suffers from asthma. And for those who argue "his doctor prescribed it, so it has to be ok" line, there is no real gray area in any legit drug policy anywhere. If you are prohibited from using a drug, that is the final say. Sort of like using pain pills and driving a school bus...but the doctor prescribed them to me:laugh2:

 

[speedkilz88]

Its also illegal in the u.s., tb.(except for horses)And Thomas was most likely taking it to lose weight and possibly make it into muscle, he's a fatty.

 

[trueblue1687]

Well, actually neither is the case. It sure won't turn fat into muscle (nothing will do that), and all it takes is a walk to sunny mexico ( some of you Texas guys knoW that ) and declare it upon entry, or import through one of ten thousand internet pharmacies....all perfectly legal. Quite dangerous, but legal. I don't think he wants to lose size, just gather more endurance.

 

[stealth]

Well, actually neither is the case. It sure won't turn fat into muscle (nothing will do that), and all it takes is a walk to sunny mexico ( some of you Texas guys knoW that ) and declare it upon entry, or import through one of ten thousand internet pharmacies....all perfectly legal. Quite dangerous, but legal. I don't think he wants to lose size, just gather more endurance.

you can't declare it

you gotta smuggle it if you wanna cross with it. They will confiscate it as a minimum

 

[zrinkill]

And the Saint Trolls start Crawdading .....

 

[SaintSand]

And the Saint Trolls start Crawdading .....

Please cite me to where I have trolled or "crawdaded". The only thing I did was put forth Thomas' position, the position of his doctor and said that I wanted more information because I was hearing that it could have been a false positive. Once I received information (from a Saints board, BTW) that demonstrated that the NFL's test really couldn't give out a false positive, I said that Thomas deserved his suspension...which is exactly what I said I would do in my first post on this thread.

Maybe you have a different definition of "crawdading" than I do.

 

[zrinkill]

Please cite me to where I have trolled or "crawdaded". The only thing I did was put forth Thomas' position, the position of his doctor and said that I wanted more information because I was hearing that it could have been a false positive. Once I received information (from a Saints board, BTW) that demonstrated that the NFL's test really couldn't give out a false positive, I said that Thomas deserved his suspension...which is exactly what I said I would do in my first post on this thread.

Maybe you have a different definition of "crawdading" than I do.

Yesterday the Saints trolls were saying he was innocent and his only crime was having Asthma .....

Today they are saying its a false test .....

Thats crawdading boy .....

I did not call you out by name by the way.

 

[SaintSand]

Yesterday the Saints trolls were saying he was innocent and his only crime was having Asthma .....

Today they are saying its a false test .....

Thats crawdading boy .....

I did not call you out by name by the way.

Actually, the two things are completely consistent. Thomas was saying that the test gave a "false positive" because of the asthma medicines he was taking gave the same signature as Clenbuterol. The case for Thomas never changed. So again, I don't see the crawdading....boy.

Heck, we just believed our player because (1) up to this point he has been a pretty good character guy (being one of the NFL's spokespersons on asthma and doing a lot of work with children with asthma), and (2) he is our best player at that position--and we want to win.

I know you didn't call me out by name, but I was the only one that came on here and specifically stated that I believed that Thomas should have been suspended. I thought you were saying I was crawdading--which I have definitely not done.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

It's an little known fact that the late Johnny Cochran's favorite tactic was to populate the trial jury with Saints fans,,, :

 

[speedkilz88]

Well, actually neither is the case. It sure won't turn fat into muscle (nothing will do that), and all it takes is a walk to sunny mexico ( some of you Texas guys knoW that ) and declare it upon entry, or import through one of ten thousand internet pharmacies....all perfectly legal. Quite dangerous, but legal. I don't think he wants to lose size, just gather more endurance.

Overweight DL do try to lose weight before training camp which is when he tested positive. And this drug is used because they can lose weight and has some ability to put on muscle. And as has been stated already, it is illegal when it comes to human consumption in the U.S., its only legal for vetenarian use on horses.

 

[Aikbach]

Both of Dallas' chief playoff adversaries are missing their best defensive run stopper. Tommie Harris may be out for the season now in Chicago reports have suggested.

 

[trueblue1687]

Overweight DL do try to lose weight before training camp which is when he tested positive. And this drug is used because they can lose weight and has some ability to put on muscle. And as has been stated already, it is illegal when it comes to human consumption in the U.S., its only legal for vetenarian use on horses.

Not to be argumentative, but pretty sure that it is not on the banned importation list of FDA because it is not a scheduled drug,it's just not marketed in US and I know of no uses for vet applications since it treats asthma. I haven't tried to import any, but know of several body builsders that regularly walk it across and always declare it....without so much as a hiccup.