Honest Question about Henson versus Romo

[rcaldw]

What is dismissed in your Grassy Knoll theory is that teams take players all the time in free agency only to find out they have erred. The billing was much more impressive than the results when the player showed up.

You only need look at Rivera to see this as a fact. He was this all-world player who anchored the line which protected Favre. And yet his play this season suggests nothing in comparison to the comments and reputation which preceded him.

So when you make a comment that most teams would take Henson, that brings up two distinct points. Maybe three.

1. That you seem to know something others don't. And since Parcells controls the information on this team moreso than the US Government controls the nuclear launch codes to our ICBM's, I'd say agenda was not only a well placed definition, but

2. That teams use this common knowledge/reputation as a gauge when they select free agents. And if stats reveal anything about this, the free agent market tends to be more famine than feast.

3. That you have a pony in this race and thus it causes you to make bold and unsubstatiated assertions that Parcells is holding Henson back. That this is common knowledge amongst fans. And that Parcells has some grudge against this player and players of this type.

But what is real about this is that you only surmise you know what is going on. You surmise that the majority of fans believe this. That you surmise Henson has more talent. And that you surmise the league would take either player, or one over the other.

They are both back-ups who should be thankful of their jobs. They get paid to do something they like and run NO risk of ever really being forced to show they are not NFL talent.

Henson does not impress a sure first ballot Hall-of-Fame coach. So any conspiracy theory about Henson is interesting, but hardly late breaking news since it is conjecture on your part with a great chasm between what is most likely the truth and what you perceive.

Your continued discussion of this issue signals that you have something more than a passing fancy on this subject.

Something more in line with Nors passing fancy of Al Singleton and the 3-4 defense.

Bledsoe was brought in because of several reasons, in my opinion.

1. The team needed a competent quarterback. Parcells was not going one more season with the Quincy/Testaverde type players.

2. That he surveyed the landscape and decided the answer to the quarterback issue was not on the team.

3. That he would risk winning by bringing in a player who can make all the throws, but also has left something on the table in late seasons runs. And this is over the talent he had on the team when he made this decision.

4. That Henson has slipped to third because he has not performed.

I asked you in another thread to post the irrefutable evidence that Henson has this supposed talent which is being hidden under a bushel basket of Bill Parcells making.

Your response was to say you see it and you would not discuss this any further because it is wasting your time.

Yet you start another thread on this subject.

I ask you again.

Please post the immutable evidence that Henson can play in this league with any competency.

Honestly, and I'm not trying to be offensive, but your tone is much more "authoritative", i.e., you have knowledge the rest of us don't, than mine.

I stated an opinion. YOU, for example, want to pretend that my assumption about most fans is wrong. Well have you looked at this poll so far? I guess I was wrong about 37 percent of us, because the other 63% I seem to have understood pretty well.

Look, an opinion is an opinion. What do you base YOUR opinion on? Parcells?

Well, I can point you to countless mistakes made by coaches about QB's, and apparently unlike you, I don't think Parcells is divine. I think he can be wrong.

So, I go on:

Henson's reputation coming out of High School - Blue chip prospect
Henson's performance in College at A MAJOR DIVISION I SCHOOL - MICHIGAN
(played well)
Henson's physical tools, which you have also admitted are superior to Romo's
Henson's performance with the Cowboys PRIOR to mechanics rework
Henson's game and 1/2 performance (Ravens and Bears) which had some bright spots as well as struggles
Henson's ability to look better in games than what was reported about practice (even this preseason proved that to me)
Henson's ability to outperform the other QB's IN THIS PRESEASON (even with a reworked throwing motion) in 7 on 7 drills, which indicates that it isn't his ability to throw the football that is the issue, just experience and recognition.

So, there are a few ideas.

 

[rcaldw]

What is dismissed in your Grassy Knoll theory is that teams take players all the time in free agency only to find out they have erred. The billing was much more impressive than the results when the player showed up.

You only need look at Rivera to see this as a fact. He was this all-world player who anchored the line which protected Favre. And yet his play this season suggests nothing in comparison to the comments and reputation which preceded him.

So when you make a comment that most teams would take Henson, that brings up two distinct points. Maybe three.

1. That you seem to know something others don't. And since Parcells controls the information on this team moreso than the US Government controls the nuclear launch codes to our ICBM's, I'd say agenda was not only a well placed definition, but

2. That teams use this common knowledge/reputation as a gauge when they select free agents. And if stats reveal anything about this, the free agent market tends to be more famine than feast.

3. That you have a pony in this race and thus it causes you to make bold and unsubstatiated assertions that Parcells is holding Henson back. That this is common knowledge amongst fans. And that Parcells has some grudge against this player and players of this type.

But what is real about this is that you only surmise you know what is going on. You surmise that the majority of fans believe this. That you surmise Henson has more talent. And that you surmise the league would take either player, or one over the other.

They are both back-ups who should be thankful of their jobs. They get paid to do something they like and run NO risk of ever really being forced to show they are not NFL talent.

Henson does not impress a sure first ballot Hall-of-Fame coach. So any conspiracy theory about Henson is interesting, but hardly late breaking news since it is conjecture on your part with a great chasm between what is most likely the truth and what you perceive.

Your continued discussion of this issue signals that you have something more than a passing fancy on this subject.

Something more in line with Nors passing fancy of Al Singleton and the 3-4 defense.

Bledsoe was brought in because of several reasons, in my opinion.

1. The team needed a competent quarterback. Parcells was not going one more season with the Quincy/Testaverde type players.

2. That he surveyed the landscape and decided the answer to the quarterback issue was not on the team.

3. That he would risk winning by bringing in a player who can make all the throws, but also has left something on the table in late seasons runs. And this is over the talent he had on the team when he made this decision.

4. That Henson has slipped to third because he has not performed.

I asked you in another thread to post the irrefutable evidence that Henson has this supposed talent which is being hidden under a bushel basket of Bill Parcells making.

Your response was to say you see it and you would not discuss this any further because it is wasting your time.

Yet you start another thread on this subject.

I ask you again.

Please post the immutable evidence that Henson can play in this league with any competency.

One other thought, please don't nail your own points

 

[TwoDeep3]

Honestly, and I'm not trying to be offensive, but your tone is much more "authoritative", i.e., you have knowledge the rest of us don't, than mine.

I am not the one starting thread after thread supporting an agenda which can't be supported by anything but conjecture.

You theorize Parcells has it in for Henson. You have offered nothing but your opinion.

I stated an opinion. YOU, for example, want to pretend that my assumption about most fans is wrong.

Other than a few posts about starting Romo (which was not a start Henson post at all) because the team was out of the play-off race, where have you seen this ground swell to start either one?

Yet you have, on several occassions, included most fans in your opinion.

Well have you looked at this poll so far? I guess I was wrong about 37 percent of us, because the other 63% I seem to have understood pretty well.

This poll has little credibility since you have less than 50 people responding. On this site alone they have 5000 members. Your response, should all the posts here be by individual posters and no multiple posts, is less than 1% of the posters here voting.

Hardly a sample group that validates your point.

Look, an opinion is an opinion.

And I accept opinion as reasonable when they don't speak as if they include others who have not spoken for themselves.

What do you base YOUR opinion on? Parcells?


Well, I can point you to countless mistakes made by coaches about QB's, and apparently unlike you, I don't think Parcells is divine. I think he can be wrong.

He is human, like we all are. But he also has experiences that none of us have. And those experiences are watching these guys in practice.

He bases his opinion on something more than reputation. And on evidence you cannot see to determine if this is truly a conspiracy or maybe Henson ain't all that.

So, I go on:

Henson's reputation coming out of High School - Blue chip prospect

Means nothing, this is the pros.

Henson's performance in College at A MAJOR DIVISION I SCHOOL - MICHIGAN
(played well)

He did. But he also did not play but two seasons and did not start more than a hand full of games.

Henson's physical tools, which you have also admitted are superior to Romo's

Which means nothing. Ryan Leaf had those same tools.

Henson's performance with the Cowboys PRIOR to mechanics rework

Pre-season games have meaning. But they seldom are the arbitor of what a player does when facing superior talent and under live fire. If this is your evidence, it falls very short.

Because he did play in a game on Thanksgiving last year and was terrible.

Henson's game and 1/2 performance (Ravens and Bears) which had some bright spots as well as struggles

He was pitiful. Heaving a pass to a receiver once the starters are on the sidelines is not heroic. Nor is his play against the Bears. He was confused and overwhelmed.

Henson's ability to look better in games than what was reported about practice (even this preseason proved that to me)

I wanted him to be the answer as much as anyone. But you are beyond biased if you believe his performances in live games means anything. He did not do well at all.

He has a whopping 78 yards passing and one TD for his career. He also has one INT. His QB rating is an astounding 61.8.

Were you one of the people who thought Quincy was a potential pro-bowler?

Henson's ability to outperform the other QB's IN THIS PRESEASON (even with a reworked throwing motion) in 7 on 7 drills, which indicates that it isn't his ability to throw the football that is the issue, just experience and recognition.

Last I heard, they play 11 on 11 and the coaches don't blow the whistle when you get close to touching the QB.

I live in Dallas. I just watched Babe Laughenberg's Sports program and they were discussing the QB position.

They had a recording of Parcells who stated Romo may have something.

There is no conspiracy. This is not about Parcells hating Henson.

It simply is that Henson may have potential, but that doesn't mean anything in this league.

If he takes the starting position, it will be because he is the best.

"You are what you are." A Parcells quote.

Henson is third string. In light of the Parcells quote, I fail to see how anyone can rewrite history here.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm sorry, but this poll is pointless

the same people will give their same opinions, agendas will be spewed, old arguments for either, or neither will arise, Parcells hates young QBs, blah blah blah, and so on and so forth

 

[notherbob]

My dear Mr. Stanley:

The natives are becoming increasingly restless and I greatly fear if you do not arrive soon, all will be lost. Hie, my friend, hie.
Dr. David Livingstone

 

[rcaldw]

I am not the one starting thread after thread supporting an agenda which can't be supported by anything but conjecture.

You theorize Parcells has it in for Henson. You have offered nothing but your opinion.



Other than a few posts about starting Romo (which was not a start Henson post at all) because the team was out of the play-off race, where have you seen this ground swell to start either one?

Yet you have, on several occassions, included most fans in your opinion.



This poll has little credibility since you have less than 50 people responding. On this site alone they have 5000 members. Your response, should all the posts here be by individual posters and no multiple posts, is less than 1% of the posters here voting.

Hardly a sample group that validates your point.




And I accept opinion as reasonable when they don't speak as if they include others who have not spoken for themselves.



He is human, like we all are. But he also has experiences that none of us have. And those experiences are watching these guys in practice.

He bases his opinion on something more than reputation. And on evidence you cannot see to determine if this is truly a conspiracy or maybe Henson ain't all that.



Means nothing, this is the pros.



He did. But he also did not play but two seasons and did not start more than a hand full of games.



Which means nothing. Ryan Leaf had those same tools.



Pre-season games have meaning. But they seldom are the arbitor of what a player does when facing superior talent and under live fire. If this is your evidence, it falls very short.

Because he did play in a game on Thanksgiving last year and was terrible.



He was pitiful. Heaving a pass to a receiver once the starters are on the sidelines is not heroic. Nor is his play against the Bears. He was confused and overwhelmed.



I wanted him to be the answer as much as anyone. But you are beyond biased if you believe his performances in live games means anything. He did not do well at all.

He has a whopping 78 yards passing and one TD for his career. He also has one INT. His QB rating is an astounding 61.8.

Were you one of the people who thought Quincy was a potential pro-bowler?



Last I heard, they play 11 on 11 and the coaches don't blow the whistle when you get close to touching the QB.

I live in Dallas. I just watched Babe Laughenberg's Sports program and they were discussing the QB position.

They had a recording of Parcells who stated Romo may have something.

There is no conspiracy. This is not about Parcells hating Henson.

It simply is that Henson may have potential, but that doesn't mean anything in this league.

If he takes the starting position, it will be because he is the best.

"You are what you are." A Parcells quote.

Henson is third string. In light of the Parcells quote, I fail to see how anyone can rewrite history here.

Your posts which require so much time to read that a birthday passes while I do it is exactly why the last time you began to take over a thread on the subject I finally said, lets just agree to disagree. You state several things here that prove your own bias, but I don't have time to engage in it with you. I've stated my views, you have stated yours, others have stated theirs. You stated that only 50 responded, well now 115 have responded and it is still tracking at the same rate, only slightly more in favor of Henson than before. So, I stand by my point earlier. Otherwise why don't we give it a rest and let others pontificate. You trust Parcells and favor Romo. Did you vote? If so, your voice was heard.

 

[TwoDeep3]

This poll is bogus for two reasons.

1. The myth that with Henson's reputation he is the better footballer, thus he carries a certain hope for the future..

2.That only certain people on this forum would answer such a poll since you have started threads on this topic many times.

It's sort of like Nors. While he has great info, there will always be a section of this board which will not open his posts because he covers the same topics over and over.

But what puzzles me is why this is important.

 

[Charles]

hahaha Its the Off-season.....TwoDeep3 is in Play-off form.

One thing is for sure.......I've been reading TW3 posts for almost 5 years. When he goes south on a QB there's no looking back..........

 

[rcaldw]

hahaha Its the Off-season.....TwoDeep3 is in Play-off form.

One thing is for sure.......I've been reading TW3 posts for almost 5 years. When he goes south on a QB there's no looking back..........

Well, about 67% of us think that Henson would go before Romo, so apparently a whole bunch of us think that the rest of the NFL would prove to still take a look at him if given the opportunity.