Honest Question on Gurode

[LD Fan]

In fairness to Gurode, I watched a game last season where Pat Williams made Olin Kreutz look like Clay Shiver, and Kreutz is supposedly the best center in the NFL. I'm not quite sure what people were expecting.

We were expecting the center to know the snap count

 

[jterrell]

Gurode faced Pat Williams and Kevin Willams.
That's probably the best DT tandem he will see all year.

I would lean more towards his performance as a whole instea dof this one half of poor play against great players.

Gurode is a better inline player and Johnson better on the edges after pulling.
Nothing has changed there.

I doubt wither can handle Williams/Williams.

Minny's weakness as we saw was once you get passed those front 4 on running plays and against the pass.

 

[LD Fan]

Gurode faced Pat Williams and Kevin Willams.
That's probably the best DT tandem he will see all year.

I would lean more towards his performance as a whole instea dof this one half of poor play against great players.

Gurode is a better inline player and Johnson better on the edges after pulling.
Nothing has changed there.

I doubt wither can handle Williams/Williams.

Minny's weakness as we saw was once you get passed those front 4 on running plays and against the pass.

I have no idea how you can call any NFL center "good" or "better" when they snap on the wrong count. It wasn't the first time it's happened....he's been in the league 4 or 5 years.....it's a recurring problem. That just can't happen

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The body of the work so far has been very good. He had one poor game against the best DT combo in football in a preseason game, which we still gave up 0 sacks and ran for over 100 yards despite running against 8+ defenders in the box all game long.

Let's not be too hasty.



YAKUZA

 

[LD Fan]

The body of the work so far has been very good. He had one poor game against the best DT combo in football in a preseason game, which we still gave up 0 sacks and ran for over 100 yards despite running against 8+ defenders in the box all game long.

Let's not be too hasty.



YAKUZA

What body of work are you talking about? This preseason? Against who? 2 of the worst defenses in the NFL and Seattle's 2nd team? The body of work I'm thinking about is his career. This has been a recurring problem. Snapping on the wrong count is not something NFL centers do. I don't even see it often in my kids Pop Warner games. The quality of the competition doesn't come into play until after the ball has been snapped.

 

[DLCassidy]

It doesn't get any easier week 1 against Stroud and Henderson. I haven't seen the game so I won't comment on Gurode's play.

But the original post is one of those annoying "BP isn't basing decisions on performance it's on satisfying his own ego" crap piles. 1) In case anyone's forgotten, BP drafted Al in the 2nd round. Why would he not want him to succeed? 2) All the TC camp reports have said that Gurode was outperforming Al. Was the media and fans attending TC a part of this conspiracy also?

I don't mind anyone going negative if it's deserving. And as I said I haven't seen the game so maybe it is. But at least with me you lose all credibility when you post psycho babble nonsense about how our HC decides who's starting.

 

[AbeBeta]

2) All the TC camp reports have said that Gurode was outperforming Al. Was the media and fans attending TC a part of this conspiracy also?

But as has been noted -- Al is better against the 4-3 and Andre excels against the 3-4. Practing against the 3-4 obviously gives an edge to Andre.

I was very concerned last week when Kosier said that the run game wasn't good because the line was confused by the DL's movement -- the center's job is to clarify blocking assignments - that's what a "line call" is. Last night, Andre wasn't good -- granted he went against a very good DT tandem who can make lots of guys look bad - but it sounds like he blew several assignments as well. No coach is going to have a problem with the Minny DTs beating their OL guys. That's going to happen -- what you can't have is them getting free shots because the interior guys don't know where to go.

 

[Charles]

Not trying to call anyone out, embarrass, etc, etc.

For those who have supported or are Gurode fans.......

Personally, I like being called out....... I've got to assume this post was direct towards me. I've been a big time Gurode supporter, plus we went back & forth on the center issue when you insinuated that Parcell held Gurode and Tucker in the same regard.

You also stated that Parcell was manufacturing a "pseudo" center competition because we only face 4-3 defenses this season and the prevailing sentiment is that Al Johnson is better against 4 man fronts.

Since then Parcell's has stated that Gurode has had his best training camp and he's taking on a leadership role..

What were your thoughts on the way he played tonight?

Honestly, I haven't watched the game yet. I hope to watch it today at 1pm.

But I doubt a bad outting in the last preseason game is going to cause any shake, kind of reminds me of some folks who thought 1 or 2 good performances from Henson in NFLE would make the folks in Valley Ranch believe he had what it takes to be the future. (I couldn't help it)

So does it really matter how bad he played?

What are options should we follow your train of thought that this specific performance is a glimpse of whats to come?

Should we go back to Al Johnson? Who has been soundly beat by Gurode.

I bet Bledsoe would scream conspiracy if they started Al Johnson +10Lbs against 6'-8" 325 lbs John Henderson and 6'-6" 306lbs Marcus Stroud.............plus Romo signed a 3 year contract.

p.s. I wanted Nick Mangold in the draft, so don't think am Gurode believer completely.

How is that any different from what he did previously in his career?

I guess we soon find out. The season is only a week away.

Isn't that the reason we had to go out and get Rivera?

No.

Parcells clearly stated he mis-scouted Gurode when he took over the team in 2003. He stated he should have left (or returned) him at center, coincedentally he doubled up on his mistake and drafted Al Johnson in 2003. If he had determined early in 2003 that Gurode was better suited at center Al Johnson would probably be somewhere else.

Rivera's signing was due to Al Johnson's less than stellar performance at center coupled with Parcell's mistake with Gurode. Take it evena step further the failure or poor developement on young Oline ove the past 3 seasons.

Pointing the figure at Gurode (especially when Parcells stated he made a mistake) reeks of ignorance.

 

[stealth]

al johnson looked much better last night than gurode did. For what thats worth.

 

[The Realist]

1) When did Gurode win this job?

2) BP pulled the same stuff with Tucker.....tried to convince us/media that he was better at LT than he was at RT.

3) We signed Rivera after Gurode stunk up the joint at RG in 2004.

 

[DBoys]

al johnson looked much better last night than gurode did. For what thats worth.

against much weaker talent

 

[AbeBeta]

al johnson looked much better last night than gurode did. For what thats worth.

He played very well.

But he wasn't going up against the beasts that Andre faced.