Honest question, What are the 49rs doing to confuse Dak

[superonyx]

They get to him. The niners are able to generate a pass rush with 4 guys and they drop everyone else into zone coverage. That doesn’t leave much open space. They are really good at taking away the short/intermediate throws.

Well not exactly. They did get tons of pressure on him but they rarely played zone.
They man pressed us at the line and with steady pressure Dak couldnt allow the receivers enough time to break free from the press.

Every team has repeated this. Some more than others. The difference is Dak has show the ability and desire to extend the plays with his feet.
Also the play calling is evolving also to use motions to make the press coverage harder to execute.

 

[Hadenough]

IT’S A TEAM GAME!

Yep and Daks the weak link!

 

[Hadenough]

Honest question, not a bash Dak thread or anything at all. I don't mean it that way, he has been playing great.

He struggles against San Fran there is no debating that. What are they doing to us that is different and that he is struggling to handle? I am not a football coach or that knowledgeable in schemes or designs but obviously if there is something they are doing, there should be a way for our coaches to design a scheme around it. They are a good defense against the pass but not great by any means. Mid pack in yards allowed but #1 in ints.

Minnesota and Cinncinatti lit them up. Is that the film to study to figure out how to be successful against them?

Its a combination of they make Dak uncomfortable by rushing him and than he chokes. Once they get into his head he won't throw the football unless the WR is open by 3 steps. They do their homework and sit on the routes Dak likes to throw. This is why Dallas needs a QB. Dak can't make all the throws.

 

[CWR]

Not in tight games with much on the line. He double pumps everything then and pulls the string.

You're just spewing nonsense. How do you know he doesn't double pump because he's recognizing or trying to recognize the coverage?

I didn't see him double pumping vs the Chargers when he made a game winning drive.

Like I said he throws into tight coverage all the time. Yall crap on him if he protects the ball and crap on him when he gambles. Make up your minds. He's been the hottest qb in the league for a month now.

 

[bigE79]

Honest question, not a bash Dak thread or anything at all. I don't mean it that way, he has been playing great.

He struggles against San Fran there is no debating that. What are they doing to us that is different and that he is struggling to handle? I am not a football coach or that knowledgeable in schemes or designs but obviously if there is something they are doing, there should be a way for our coaches to design a scheme around it. They are a good defense against the pass but not great by any means. Mid pack in yards allowed but #1 in ints.

Minnesota and Cinncinatti lit them up. Is that the film to study to figure out how to be successful against them?

Same reason why we always beat the giants,they have our number,their in the our players heads,I truly think it's a mental thing now.

 

[boysfanindc]

The 49ers play zone slightly more than man, but enough that it's hard to know what they are going to do. Disguise well.

Dak is best against the blitz and against man. Dak likes to throw to WRs who are either clearly open or he can anticipate coming open because they have beat their coverage. He is less sure of his reads against zone because it requires him to throw WRs into windows (obv Ferguson's emergency is helping this because deploying a TE against zone into windows is good). Note - this is not to say Dak is BAD against zone - he's just better against man.

So the 49ers strengths play into his weaknesses. They generate pressure with only 4 (and Bosa typically lines up against the RT so strength against weakness) and play zone and it's just harder. Add to that the LACK of a real run game is really making it harder.

Now

Totally agree.

 

[Cowboyny]

Honest question, not a bash Dak thread or anything at all. I don't mean it that way, he has been playing great.

He struggles against San Fran there is no debating that. What are they doing to us that is different and that he is struggling to handle? I am not a football coach or that knowledgeable in schemes or designs but obviously if there is something they are doing, there should be a way for our coaches to design a scheme around it. They are a good defense against the pass but not great by any means. Mid pack in yards allowed but #1 in ints.

Minnesota and Cinncinatti lit them up. Is that the film to study to figure out how to be successful against them?

They play extra men in coverage, cause they can generate pressure with their front, probably the best linebacker tandem that takes away the middle of the football field. Must run with success against those light boxes and expose their corners on the outside

 

[conner01]

It may be mental and SOMETIMES a team is just perfectly matched. College football OSU ran into an unranked wall. They were just perfectly matched. It happens.

Or they are just a really good team.

 

[tomokawan]

Dak has always struggled to read zone defenses especially on teams that can generate pressure rushing 4. Their LBs also fly to the ball very quickly.

The one series we pushed the ball downfield we basically marched down for the TD fairly easy. Then went back tk dump off passes who fn knows why. If Dak doesn't use his legs and we continue to play this 3-4y dump off passes they going to laugh us of the field again

We can't play bad defenses every weak. The only stout defense we have played so far is the jets when it comes to pass defense. Chargers, Giants, and the eagles are near the bottom. Rams and I actually believe the last time I checked the cards were middle of the pack. Teams that actually push the ball downfield have been very successful agaisnt the niners

I hate the "can't read defense" when it comes to certain QB's. It it just a lazy analysis IMO. Every QB struggles when pressured. Very few are Tom Brady.

 

[aikemirv]

They play extra men in coverage, cause they can generate pressure with their front, probably the best linebacker tandem that takes away the middle of the football field. Must run with success against those light boxes and expose their corners on the outside

All of these answers make sense but some teams have had success against them so it seems we need to gameplan like they do. Maybe Cousins is just better against zone, I don't think the Oline is much better than ours. Burrow had his best game of the year against them but he has not been stellar all year.

It is up to the coaching staff to figure out what will work and what Dak is comfortable with and the Oline to give him better protection!

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Honest question, not a bash Dak thread or anything at all. I don't mean it that way, he has been playing great.

He struggles against San Fran there is no debating that. What are they doing to us that is different and that he is struggling to handle? I am not a football coach or that knowledgeable in schemes or designs but obviously if there is something they are doing, there should be a way for our coaches to design a scheme around it. They are a good defense against the pass but not great by any means. Mid pack in yards allowed but #1 in ints.

Minnesota and Cinncinatti lit them up. Is that the film to study to figure out how to be successful against them?

This one is easy..........The Niners aren't a sub-.500 playoff team like the Bucs........

 

[goshann]

IMO they did what we should have done to them. They pressed our wr's and applied pressure on the qb and the run game. Our wr's are not the type that thrive in press coverage. They can get open but it takes more time. Time that our o-line does not afford the qb. That's just basic football. We have the defense to do it teams, and were doing it in the games leading up to the 49er game, but for whatever reason we seemed to back off the wr's and purdy. It almost seemed intentional.

They don’t play press coverage
They play zones

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

They have good players and have pretty good coverage.

Dak plays better against teams with bad players, where his receivers are running free so that he doesn't have to read defenses or anything like that.

 

[Nexx]

Baseball analogy. He is the typical AAA superstar. Great against lower level competition but for some reason can't put it together the Major leagues. Against good defenses he tends to sucks. Against average to bad defenses he sucks.

 

[Redsfan_83]

The 9ers added another rock to the other DE spot, this is what they do different than we do. Any QB will now feel the heat from both sides of the ball, and up the middle. They saw a need not only to comat our QB, but to combat all the QB's they will face. And we added a big bodies WR who isn't projected to even play a down this year...so to answer your question, it's not what they do to Dak, it's what they do to their team to shutdown other teams O

 

[Clove]

The difference is, McCarthy has opened up the offense. You can't do petty routes against these guys, you have to make them play all over the field. Our first meeting, albeit Dak was rushed heavily, McCarthy was being ultra conservative. This last game, McCarthy was sending everybody deep.

 

[CowboyFrog]

its not man vs zone its being able to stop the run with 7 in coverage...thats what kills an offense..kinda like what we could do to the Giants last night..

 

[Havic]

Fred Warner

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Can't it be that the 49ers are just a better built and run team?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They get to him. The niners are able to generate a pass rush with 4 guys and they drop everyone else into zone coverage. That doesn’t leave much open space. They are really good at taking away the short/intermediate throws.

Its funny yesterday I saw a play I think it was the Cooks touchdown where Giants only rushed 2 and it still didn't help. Not saying you're wrong just funny how this stuff works. Granted, it is the Giants.....