Horn's RB Bergeron gone? Is this a big deal for Texas?

[Phoenix]

Yeah the article I remember reading was before the baseball campaign just finished

 

[Hardline]

Coach Strong's tough discipline policies will scare off top recruits I am afraid. I am all for discipline but lets not go overboard. He might need to lighten up a little.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Coach Strong's tough discipline policies will scare off top recruits I am afraid. I am all for discipline but lets not go overboard. He might need to lighten up a little.

I'm sure that it probably will scare off some recruits but I think the key will be, if he can win with 3 stars. If he can do that, then a few things will come into play. 1. Four and Five star recruits will start thinking, if he can do that with Three stars, what can he do if I go play for him. 2. This will resonate with Parents. They will want their young men to play for a coach who is interested in raising young men to be fine men with the proper levels of discipline and moral standards. 3. If he can start graduating some of these guys into the NFL, then that will bring talent at the highest level. Lets face it, the highly rated players started going elsewhere, not because they didn't like the coach or they didn't like the program or whatever. They stopped coming to Texas because they felt like their chances of getting into the NFL were less if they went to Texas.

I think that winning will solve all of those kinds of problems. JMO.

 

[jterrell]

Coach Strong's tough discipline policies will scare off top recruits I am afraid. I am all for discipline but lets not go overboard. He might need to lighten up a little.

Those are the recruits you don't want anyway.
The ones you have been getting that rate 5 stars on rivals but play like 2 stars on campus.
Wasted locker space.
How many former Texas 5 stars leave and find success elsewhere? Basically none which shows how friggin terrible those guys were.
They can't even star at lower levels of football.

You want guys mad at the world for success, that are gym rats and could care less about being coddled.

 

[Rockport]

Those are the recruits you don't want anyway.
The ones you have been getting that rate 5 stars on rivals but play like 2 stars on campus.
Wasted locker space.
How many former Texas 5 stars leave and find success elsewhere? Basically none which shows how friggin terrible those guys were.
They can't even star at lower levels of football.

You want guys mad at the world for success, that are gym rats and could care less about being coddled.

More mis-information. You really stink up this place with it. The last 5 star recruit signed by Texas was Malcolm Brown and Jonathan Gray in 2012. None since then.

 

[bounce]

Those are the recruits you don't want anyway.
The ones you have been getting that rate 5 stars on rivals but play like 2 stars on campus.
Wasted locker space.
How many former Texas 5 stars leave and find success elsewhere? Basically none which shows how friggin terrible those guys were.
They can't even star at lower levels of football.

You want guys mad at the world for success, that are gym rats and could care less about being coddled.

Totally agree. It's the weaning out process. The all-world talents that are ridiculously immature are the guys that poison programs. I'd take a 3 star guy like Colt McCoy over a 5 star guy like Ryan Perilloux any day. Obviously that judging in hindsight, but there are plenty of examples of that.

 

[bounce]

I'm sure that it probably will scare off some recruits but I think the key will be, if he can win with 3 stars. If he can do that, then a few things will come into play. 1. Four and Five star recruits will start thinking, if he can do that with Three stars, what can he do if I go play for him. 2. This will resonate with Parents. They will want their young men to play for a coach who is interested in raising young men to be fine men with the proper levels of discipline and moral standards. 3. If he can start graduating some of these guys into the NFL, then that will bring talent at the highest level. Lets face it, the highly rated players started going elsewhere, not because they didn't like the coach or they didn't like the program or whatever. They stopped coming to Texas because they felt like their chances of getting into the NFL were less if they went to Texas.

I think that winning will solve all of those kinds of problems. JMO.

I think it's intense at first to lay down the law, and then the success will speak for itself. The guys who stick around are the guys you want on your team.

 

[jterrell]

Totally agree. It's the weaning out process. The all-world talents that are ridiculously immature are the guys that poison programs. I'd take a 3 star guy like Colt McCoy over a 5 star guy like Ryan Perilloux any day. Obviously that judging in hindsight, but there are plenty of examples of that.

There is zero reason to mis-evaluate a Dallas or Houston kid.
The level of comp is there to fully rate those guys.
"Camp" kids, i.e. ones who are good at SPARQ numbers but put up bad football stats and plays weekly should be totally disregarded.

Those are gambles for programs more akin to SMU or North Texas.

Perilloux is a perfect example!
He had UT and LSU fighting over him and loved the drama of it all.
He never was more than a clipboard holder for LSU before ending up farming out to a small school for as smattering of playing time.

Texas has produced the best QB crops in the country the last 10 years. Texas needs to find those guys and get them.

Anyone who watched RG3 or Manziel in high school and thought future DB needs to forget recruiting ever again.
Guys with that much electricity on offense are never playing full-time defense.

 

[jimmy40]

Maybe we can find another 3rd string back that doesn't follow his blocks and runs into the first thing he sees.

 

[Biggems]

good riddance to the high maintenance, trouble-making, prima donnas who are wasting their time and the university's scholarship dollars......I want Texas to win the National Championship every year, but at the same time, I do not want to ignore irresponsible and illegal behavior to do so.

Kudos to Strong for setting the garbage out on the curb.

Now, just get a dang QB for crying out loud.

 

[Phoenix]

Charlie Strong trumpets 'core values'
Updated: August 4, 2014, 1:54 AM ET


http://espn.go.com/college-football...uspensions-dismissals-texas-longhorns-players





AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas coach Charlie Strong confirmed Sunday that he has dismissed five players and suspended three more indefinitely.

Strong announced the dismissal of running backs Joe Bergeron and Jalen Overstreet and defensive back Chevoski Collins in his first public comments since July reports that the trio had been kicked off the team. All three players have been granted a release to transfer.

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AP Photo/Eric GayTexas coach Charlie Strong reiterated his policy on violating the team's core values Sunday, when he confirmed the dismissal of five Longhorn players and the suspension of three others.


Strong also said said running back/receiver Daje Johnson, offensive tackle Desmond Harrison and safety Josh Turner will be suspended for at least the first game of the season. All three players will practice with the team when the Longhorns begin fall camp Monday, and Strong has not decided how many games they will miss. Each was suspended for the same undisclosed violation.

"We have core values within this program. We expect our players to abide by those values," Strong said. "You take away something that's important to them -- and football is really important to a lot of these players -- and you make sure that with the games taken away from them, they understand how important it is to represent this great university not only on the field but off.

"With the core values, I say it all the time -- if a young man doesn't want to be part of this program, just go break a core value of this program. You'll be telling me a lot about where you want to stand."

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I saw an interview with Coach Strong yesterday.

He is a no nonsense guy. It's his way or the highway.

 

[Doc50]

Mac will still make millions off UT so he's ok as far as I've read. He had a good run.

The new coach is a discipline guy which seemed to have been lacking.

Exactly.

How can you consistently recruit top classes only to see embarrassment on the field and in the draft? Poor discipline leads to poor production.

 

[Doc50]

I am a Tech fan and was at the 42-35 win over Mack in year 1.

I hoped they'd keep Mack a few more years.

I am a huge Texas high school football fan and have followed it for 30 years.
Texas had no idea how to identify and recruit quality players the last 5 years.
His assistants coming in were often powerhouse HS coaches who knew the talent but that waned.

Rankings are largely pointless and misleading.
UT recruited kids I had seen in person that were flat terrible football players.
They didn't recruit talent like Manziel, RG3, Brees, Luck.

That Texas cupboard is not barren but it isn't stocked with NFL talent.
And Texas will play 3-5 games versus teams with better talent in 2014/5.
They did not do that in 1998.

Texas earned every bit of that teasip nickname under Mack.
That team grew painfully soft and guys like Chris Simms are admitting it.

I am really going to enjoy UT fans whining after every Strong loss and seeing the frequent Red McComb style racial overtones within.
Makes it a lot easier for Tech recruit to play for Coach Kingsbury.

UT didn't lose more than 3 games from 2000-2009. The last 4 years they lost 21.
As the rest of the conference got better (and TAMU left for the SEC) they were getting FAR, FAR worse.

I see that all the Tech season tickets are sold out.
Good to see all the enthusiasm up there for Kingsbury, and Tubby also.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Exactly.

How can you consistently recruit top classes only to see embarrassment on the field and in the draft? Poor discipline leads to poor production.

I think, in hindsight, Strong will be exactly the right hire for UT. That's easy to say I know but they needed a huge change from Mack.

This guy is absolutely no nonsense.

 

[Aikbach]

All about developing, you don't need five stars, you need players that fit your system.

I've been reading Art Briles' new book "Beating Goliath", he got Josh Gordon ( a three star) to come to Baylor because he made the kid believe in him, personal problems derailed his collegiate career much like his professional one to date. The next year he got three star Kendell Wright to come to Baylor, instilled a work ethic in him, and he worked his butt off to become elite, this in turn pushed a two star recruit named Terrance Williams.

Briles targeted them all to overachieve because he saw it in their desire, and felt their abilities were good enough to get them to the next level if they put the work in.

If Strong has that ability, then screw five stars, build them out of two stars and they'll be Terrance Williams...instead of Roy Williams.