Horrible Drafting

[jrumann59]

I am not too worried about Guyton, some expecting Tyron Smith, I was not. Williams hurts, I thought he would get it by now maybe its coaching but hard to say, 3rd Defense in his young career. Mazi is looking more and more like a bust, Schoonmaker yeah you could get the same performance and skills so much later in the draft, Kelvin yeah well I got nothing. That being said, every team misses look at Elam, former 1st rounder by the Bills those are the ones that hurt.

 

[charron]

Coaches should no longer have any say. They have too much power in directing McClay and his scouting team.

I believe this is mostly what the issue is. Along with Jerry wanting only certain types of players.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Horrible drafting or overreliance on the draft?

We can argue if its the best positional value but they should have two solid starters at least in Booker/EZ + the unknown in Revel. Not a bad draft, especially if Blue/James end up being solid depth pieces.

From 2024 Beebe looks like a legitimate starting player. You have interesting pieces in Flournoy/Thomas that could be eventual starters. Liufau/Guyton are at least seeing the field even if the production isnt very good.

2023 is probably the true wasted draft season. Still have some hope that Overshown can save that class, but not looking promising overall.

In general though if you can find 1 starter + a couple role players it should be considered a solid draft. The big issue IMO is the Cowboys are looking for instant plug and play contributors year after year.

 

[Johannes44]

LOL spoonmaker LOL

 

[Johannes44]

All the tools but it isn't showing up on Sundays.

Williams is a mental midget. That's what you are seeing on Sundays.

 

[Redsfan_83]

Danny Dimes was the worst 1st Rd pick in the history of 1st round picks....well, put him on a team with a great coach? Well, you know what you know. I'm not convinced it's entirely on the players, the revolving door or horrible coaching plays a much bigger factor than we think

 

[CATCH17]

Thank the GM. Guyton is much better and keeps improving. Just needs to stay healthy. Kneeland is the same. Just injured too much. No clue what Williams is doing. All the tools but it isn't showing up on Sundays.

I’m fine with the drafting but some of the picks I knew were not good the moment they made them.

I knew Mazi had upside because of his athleticism but everything on film was lackluster.

I don’t believe in taking 2 down run defenders with premium picks.


Schoonmaker? His film screamed jag & he’s even more of a jag than I anticipated.

He almost went down with any contact.

Again though. His athleticism was good so I was hoping for upside.

I think people are not realistic about our drafts. We are really good at drafting. But some of these picks they should’ve known better.

 

[CarolinaFathead]

Horrible drafting or overreliance on the draft?

We can argue if its the best positional value but they should have two solid starters at least in Booker/EZ + the unknown in Revel. Not a bad draft, especially if Blue/James end up being solid depth pieces.

From 2024 Beebe looks like a legitimate starting player. You have interesting pieces in Flournoy/Thomas that could be eventual starters. Liufau/Guyton are at least seeing the field even if the production isnt very good.

2023 is probably the true wasted draft season. Still have some hope that Overshown can save that class, but not looking promising overall.

In general though if you can find 1 starter + a couple role players it should be considered a solid draft. The big issue IMO is the Cowboys are looking for instant plug and play contributors year after year.

I know you know this but I’ll say it anyway. It was also stated above.

They can’t rely on just having “solid” drafts. They have to consistently haul in “homerun” drafts because we aren’t talking a draft and develop team only. FA is for losers who win SBs apparently according to Jerry.

 

[calicowboy54]

Last 4 to 5 years of draft picks have put the team in this position. Can't keep missing on 1st and 2nd rd picks. Guyton, Sam Williams, Kneeling, Mazi, Spoonmaker, Kelvin Joseph.

These are 6 out 10 players drafted in 1st and 2nd rd in last 5 years. Franchise killer.

I am with you, but most of all of those guys were considered great picks at the time of the drafting. it just sucks NON of them panned out so far.

Guyton still has a chance, i would have rather drafted that kid from Utah that Egirls got, but he was lower on MOST all draft boards as a 2nd round pick.

Williams is being played out of position he's a SOLB in a 3-4. Joseph was just a head case. Spoonmaker im with you on that one we did not need another TE at that time.

all in all, i believe our Defensive drafting is suffering because he are in the wrong defense. Parcells said it was easier to Find athletic big DL that can play the 5T and NT than it was to get the guys to run a 4-3. we need to move back to 3-4. if we did that we need to find a SILB we have a WILB in Overshown we have 2 OLB/EDGE in EZ and Williams, you have guys you can play at NT and END Now. but they are on smaller side and need to be bigger. in the backend We need more playmakers. IF You moved to Press man again you have bland and Diggs (If he stays) you have a Nickel CB now but you do not have the Safeties to run nothing. ALL Safeties are SS we have NO FS.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Thank the GM. Guyton is much better and keeps improving. Just needs to stay healthy. Kneeland is the same. Just injured too much. No clue what Williams is doing. All the tools but it isn't showing up on Sundays.

Guyton has graded out as one of the worst tackles in the NFL. PFF has ranked 67th out of 75 tackles in the league.

 

[Creeper]

They really did. That's why I'm not jumping on the "Dak still sucks" train. He didn't have much opportunity to do his job. Yes, he screwed the pooch a few times, but when you're just trying to survive, it's hard to concentrate.

Earlier in the year when the Cowboys were missing Tyler Smith, Beebe, Booker, and Guyton, they had a game plan for Dak to get the ball out quickly. He did it against GB and scored 40 points. Last night he was holding the ball, making late throws and some bad decisions. It was not the same Dak, but they should have been expecting pressure.

I hope this is not a trend for Dak. He has a history of starting fast early in the season and fading as the season progresses. Last night he looked like he regressed.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Thank the GM. Guyton is much better and keeps improving. Just needs to stay healthy. Kneeland is the same. Just injured too much. No clue what Williams is doing. All the tools but it isn't showing up on Sundays.

I’d like to give Guyton and Kneeland the benefit of the doubt but I’m pretty close to calling those guys busts. The lines performed horribly yesterday and those two were definitely part of the problem.

McClay has to hit big over the next couple of drafts or he has to go.

 

[Jarntt]

Last 4 to 5 years of draft picks have put the team in this position. Can't keep missing on 1st and 2nd rd picks. Guyton, Sam Williams, Kneeling, Mazi, Spoonmaker, Kelvin Joseph.

These are 6 out 10 players drafted in 1st and 2nd rd in last 5 years. Franchise killer.

Every team has misses. The key is you want to have the hits and we have. Our drafting hasn't been amazing but it hasn't been horrible. The draft is 7 rounds. You find them where you find them.
5 years ago: Micah and Osa
4 years ago: T Smith, Ferguson, Bland
3 years ago: Overshown
2 years ago: a little early but Beebe and maybe Kneeland look like the best picks, but 4 guys starting or getting snaps so let's see how they develop (or not) plus Nate Thomas looks promising
this past year: too early to say of course but: Booker, EZ, Revel (?), James?, Blue? looks ok so far

 

[McKDaddy]

Thank the GM. Guyton is much better and keeps improving. Just needs to stay healthy. Kneeland is the same. Just injured too much. No clue what Williams is doing. All the tools but it isn't showing up on Sundays.

Is he? Some plays I see pretty solid & others it's like he had no idea the defender might make that move. All this is from network broadcast so might change if I was seeing more detailed breakdown. Just leaves me very confused about him.

 

[Doomsday]

 

[HungryLion]

I will say some of them are barely “reaches” as 15-20 draft slots on the second day happens often as every team rates players a bit differently.


Some of them certainly were known reaches at the time though.


LOL at Nashon Wright still.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I know you know this but I’ll say it anyway. It was also stated above.

They can’t rely on just having “solid” drafts. They have to consistently haul in “homerun” drafts because we aren’t talking a draft and develop team only. FA is for losers who win SBs apparently according to Jerry.

Yeah I get it, and that is the issue, but its simply not realistic to have homerun drafts year after year. The Cowboys are already a top 5ish hit rate team over the last decade. Yeah there might be a little more juice they could squeeze from that fruit, but not a ton. At some point they'll have to actually not be scared to roll the dice in free agency to supplement their roster.

 

[StuckMojo]

Is JJ/SJ drafting what McClay and his staff want or they drafting in their own decisions or decisions of the coaches?

 

[thunderpimp91]

Is he? Some plays I see pretty solid & others it's like he had no idea the defender might make that move. All this is from network broadcast so might change if I was seeing more detailed breakdown. Just leaves me very confused about him.

Yeah Guyton has been one of the worst tackles in football this year and last. Is there improvement? Yeah, but its pretty minimal. Still giving up way too many pressures and a lot of quick pressures at that. As much as we knock Steele in pass protection I think he has been significantly stronger than Guyton has this year.

 

[HungryLion]

I know you know this but I’ll say it anyway. It was also stated above.

They can’t rely on just having “solid” drafts. They have to consistently haul in “homerun” drafts because we aren’t talking a draft and develop team only. FA is for losers who win SBs apparently according to Jerry.

The frustrating thing is. Draft and develop alone doesn’t win championships for any team.

Look at all the Super Bowl winners in recent history. All of them also had some key FA or trade acquisitions that helped them get over the top.