How about Taco!

You can say we whiffed on Watt, but other than that, I'm not sure what people are expecting from Taco. Most 1st year DEs are NOT that great. How much better has the others that have been drafted ahead of him been doing? We'll know what kind of player Taco is going to become near the end of his contract, which is pretty much how it is with most DEs.
 
zrinkill said:
Comparison after 14 games

Taco Charlton - 14 games - 12 tackles - 2 sacks - 1 forced fumble - 1 pass defended - 6 hurries
Randy Gregory- 14 games - 15 tackles - 1 sack - 0 forced fumble - 0 pass defended - 8 hurries
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Talent was never Gregory's problem.
 
kevm3 said:
You can say we whiffed on Watt, but other than that, I'm not sure what people are expecting from Taco. Most 1st year DEs are NOT that great. How much better has the others that have been drafted ahead of him been doing? We'll know what kind of player Taco is going to become near the end of his contract, which is pretty much how it is with most DEs.
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Watt is playing 3-4 DE. There is no certainty he would have had success as a 4-3 DE in his rookie year.
 
Verdict said:
Taco is an invisible Taco. He pretty much sucks. so maybe they will bench him. It would be great if Dez would also "beast" by actually studying how to run a route during this week. It would probably be a first time. If we could cut Witten this week too it would be the trifecta.
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many of us, including me, had serious reservations about him.
the biggest issue with him, to me, was that he would not contribute much in 2017.
that came true like in most cases.

in comparison, watt offered more immediate gains as well as a higher floor.
if drafted, watt would have ideally been used as a SLB.
but we all know marinelli is incapable of being flexible and refuses to deploy players to maximize their strength instead of being senile stubbornly following his scheme.

imo, between taco, a rookie secondary and lack of quality FA pickups, it seemed we intentionally jeopardized 2017 in favor of future years.
but we got him, and he has shown flashes.
we all know most DE dont contribute much in their rookie years.
 
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waldoputty said:
many of us, including me, had serious reservations about him.
the biggest issue with him, to me, was that he would not contribute much in 2017.
that came true like in most cases.

in comparison, watt offered more immediate gains as well as a higher floor.
if drafted, watt would have ideally been used as a SLB.
but we all know marinelli is incapable of being flexible and refuses to deploy players to maximize their strength instead of being senile stubbornly following his scheme.

imo, between taco, a rookie secondary and lack of quality FA pickups, it seemed we intentionally jeopardized 2017 in favor of future years.
but we got him, and he has shown flashes.
we all know most DE dont contribute much in their rookie years.
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Watt would rush the QB about once per game as a 4-3 SLB.
 
ThatJerryKid said:
What would be ideal is if Taco turns into a consistent LDE, DLAW is your RDE, and on passing situations we have a pass rushing specialist similar to Bruce Irvin, so DLAW swiches to LDE and pass rushing specialist plays RDE.
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I’ve written about this before as well. In this scenario, we would need one of the numerous guys from the Pete Carroll defensive coaching tree. They have run their 4-3 a variety of ways, even with essentially 3-4 personnel. I keep having this vision of of our 4-3 looking like this:

LDE - Taco (6’6”, 280+)
LDT/1T - Draft pick/FA (a BIG, Ted Washington clone would be nice), Collins
RDT/3T - Irving (6’7”, 290+),Collins
RDE/LEO - Crawford (6’3”, 260), Gregory?

SLB - Draft Pick/FA (Bruce Irvin-type like Harold Landry)

This STILL allows for 4 pass rushers with the added luxury of a DOMINANT, dedicated Elite run-stopper.
 
Parcells4Life said:
This seemed to be the first time Taco was a consistent force out there. He was constantly moving the pocket and if Irving had been there it would have been 5+ sacks for the DL because the ends were collapsing but Carr was able to step up with no pressure from interior.

Maybe Taco is on the DLaw plan and in year 3 will be a beast. Incremental improvement each year.
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Might need to add a litlle sauce to that Taco in the off season.
 
xwalker said:
That is dumb "stat". The blocked field goal takes the vast majority of pass rushers ot of the mix.
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Exactly, its idiotic to build up a rookie based on a play that is more luck than skill.

By this measure, DeMarcus Ware was a wasted pick because he never blocked a kick in his entire 11 year career.
 
kevm3 said:
You can say we whiffed on Watt, but other than that, I'm not sure what people are expecting from Taco. Most 1st year DEs are NOT that great. How much better has the others that have been drafted ahead of him been doing? We'll know what kind of player Taco is going to become near the end of his contract, which is pretty much how it is with most DEs.
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The easy reply is that DLaw did nothing as a rookie but look at the rest of the guys on our DL. David Irving didn't even make an NFL roster as a rookie. Tyrone Crawford had a total of 20 tackles and zero sacks in his first two years in the NFL before breaking out.

It just takes time with DL and there is no way around that unless you throw a ton of money at guys like Oliver Vernon. And in that case, the Giants have paid out 41 Million dollars to Vernon over the last two years for 13 sacks.
 
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