How Andy Reid Came to Be

[john van brocklin]

Lurie has hired 5 coaches.

Ray Rhodes who was not good.

Reid.

Kelly who went from genius to bum in a few years.

Pederson who won them their first SB.

Sirianni who has them in a SB in his 2nd year.

One thing is for sure, Lurie is way better at hiring coaches than Jerry is.

What I like is that Lurie is not afraid to admit a mistake and move on.
We make a mistake like Garrett and not only dont fire him timely, we double and triple down on him, compounding the error and wasting multiple seasons....

 

[Motorola]

And even Kelly had some success. It's easy to forget because it apparently ended so badly

Chip Kelly's HC tenure with Eagles___
2013: 10-6, 1st place NFC East (ahead of 8-8 DAL -- followed Reid's final year when PHL went 4-12); wildcard round loss to Cardinals
2014: 10-6, 2nd place NFC East (behind 12-4 DAL)
2015: 6-9, was in 2nd Place (behind eventual NFC East winner 9-7 WAS)...fired with one game left in regular season

 

[eromeopolk]

Heard the Ticket discussing this earlier this morning and was really intrigued because 1) I hadn’t heard this before and 2) this is not the way this franchise operates at all. Before I get bashed about Eagles not winning SBs with him, they still hit 5 NFC Championship games with his warts and all and now he’s brought all that success to KC. No method is perfect but thinking outside the family confines helps. This is from an interview with former Eagles President Joe Banner. I don’t want to quote the whole thing so read it all. I’ll start how they picked him..

https://talkoffametwo.com/.amp/nfl/andy-reid-eagles-banner

Remember,” he said, “we (he and Eagles’ owner Jeff Lurie) were new to the league. So we weren’t limited and governed by all the conventional wisdom that had driven the thinking for so many years. So we actually tried to add a little science to our intuition to study all the head coaches that had been to at least two Super Bowls and defining them as true success leaders. And, to our surprise, we found nothing about football that was in common….

They passed. They ran. They were aggressive. They were passive. Whatever it was, we couldn’t find anything. We almost stumbled into the fact that when it came to the description of who they were as people there were tremendous similarities – about leadership, about attention to detail, the ability to evaluate coaches and manage people.”

The coaches included Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren and Bill Parcells, and the Eagles measured them by a list of eight criteria that they thought defined them.

In the end, the decision came down to Reid vs. Jim Haslett, with the Eagles taking the coach less traveled. The decision changed the face of the franchise, with the Eagles going to five conference championship games – including four straight – in eight years and their first Super Bowl since the 1980 season.

We were not afraid of somebody who hadn’t been a coordinator,” said Banner. “We were very focused on leadership. So they were going to have to prove to us (that) if they hadn’t been a coordinator they could be a great leader.

“There were eight teams at the time hiring a head coach. Green Bay, by the way, was one of them and didn’t interview Andy. And when we met him it was like: Either our research was really misguided, or we just stumbled on to the next great coach………

Reid never had a Owner that was GM and defacto Head Coach. He never had a owner that was GM force him an OC or a DC.

Since Bill Parcells, Cowboys have not had an Head Coach . 3 Head Coaches in Cowboys history Landry, Johnson, and Parcells.

 

[beware_d-ware]

he won with bums in the past too, not the big prize but he won

This. Reid has had 10-win seasons with Alex Smith and Kevin Kolb pulling the trigger.

 

[Hoofbite]

Many Big Macs.

 

[Captain-Crash]

how great would he be without a great quarterback?

 

[Motorola]

how great would he be without a GREAT QUARTERBACK?

Appears you are just looking at Reid's record with KC.

His Eagles teams went 92-49-1 in the regular season, 9-7 in the playoffs, four straight NFC Conference title games - five overall, and 7 postseason berths with a Super Bowl appearance.... with Donovan McNabb as his starting QB.

Do you consider McNabb as a great NFL quarterback?

 

[MikeB80]

Heard the Ticket discussing this earlier this morning and was really intrigued because 1) I hadn’t heard this before and 2) this is not the way this franchise operates at all. Before I get bashed about Eagles not winning SBs with him, they still hit 5 NFC Championship games with his warts and all and now he’s brought all that success to KC. No method is perfect but thinking outside the family confines helps. This is from an interview with former Eagles President Joe Banner. I don’t want to quote the whole thing so read it all. I’ll start how they picked him..

https://talkoffametwo.com/.amp/nfl/andy-reid-eagles-banner

Remember,” he said, “we (he and Eagles’ owner Jeff Lurie) were new to the league. So we weren’t limited and governed by all the conventional wisdom that had driven the thinking for so many years. So we actually tried to add a little science to our intuition to study all the head coaches that had been to at least two Super Bowls and defining them as true success leaders. And, to our surprise, we found nothing about football that was in common….

They passed. They ran. They were aggressive. They were passive. Whatever it was, we couldn’t find anything. We almost stumbled into the fact that when it came to the description of who they were as people there were tremendous similarities – about leadership, about attention to detail, the ability to evaluate coaches and manage people.”

The coaches included Bill Walsh, Mike Holmgren and Bill Parcells, and the Eagles measured them by a list of eight criteria that they thought defined them.

In the end, the decision came down to Reid vs. Jim Haslett, with the Eagles taking the coach less traveled. The decision changed the face of the franchise, with the Eagles going to five conference championship games – including four straight – in eight years and their first Super Bowl since the 1980 season.

We were not afraid of somebody who hadn’t been a coordinator,” said Banner. “We were very focused on leadership. So they were going to have to prove to us (that) if they hadn’t been a coordinator they could be a great leader.

“There were eight teams at the time hiring a head coach. Green Bay, by the way, was one of them and didn’t interview Andy. And when we met him it was like: Either our research was really misguided, or we just stumbled on to the next great coach………

Or as bryan broaddus tells it, him and mike lombardi told the owner after they were fired to hire Andy Reid.

 

[MikeB80]

Most head coaches are carried by their QBs. If they don’t have a real good one eventually they’ll get fired. Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs are the only two Hall of Fame coaches I can think of that had great careers without a Hall of Fame QB.

Really though, Had simms not been injured in december of 1990 and He wins another Super Bowl Simms would be in the hall of fame. He has good numbers and had an amazing superbowl in 86.

Gibbs abilities to always have great offenses with different qb's is still pretty amazing. Gibbs is the best coach no one ever talks about. The 91 Washington team is a top 5 all time team. They were nearly perfect and I don't mean in record which is also true but just in how good the roster was and how dominant they were.

 

[Sydla]

not arguing the rest of the list, but the top end is better. more superbowls. and i don't think siriani is a good coach at all. reid is though, pederson I think is as well, and their process is definitely interesting and sound.

Top end was also 30 years ago. And after Jimmy, Jerry didn't want to really hire any guys like Jimmy that would suck up the oxygen the room. Jerry's oxygen. Parcells was at the end of his career as he was pulled out of the TV studio. Sirianni took over a 4 win team that had a QB issue, and made the playoffs in his first year and is now in the SB. He's a douchenozzle but it appears he can coach.

Philly just hires better coaches at this point. It's really pretty obvious at this point.

 

[KJJ]

Really though, Had simms not been injured in december of 1990 and He wins another Super Bowl Simms would be in the hall of fame. He has good numbers and had an amazing superbowl in 86.

Gibbs abilities to always have great offenses with different qb's is still pretty amazing. Gibbs is the best coach no one ever talks about. The 91 Washington team is a top 5 all time team. They were nearly perfect and I don't mean in record which is also true but just in how good the roster was and how dominant they were.

Jim Plunkett won a couple of Super Bowls and was named Super Bowl MVP and isn’t in the Hall of Fame, so no guarantee Phil Simms would be in the Hall of Fame either with another Super Bowl win. His Giants teams were known for defense.

 

[MaineBoy]

How different is Lurie hiring Andy Reid with no coorindator experience different from Jerry hiring Jason Garrett. We are looking at results and showing Luri made a great hire.

Dude, seriously, you need to ditch this one and get another account name after posting this.

 

[MikeB80]

Jim Plunkett won a couple of Super Bowls and was named Super Bowl MVP and isn’t in the Hall of Fame, so no guarantee Phil Simms would be in the Hall of Fame either with another Super Bowl win. His Giants teams were known for defense.

Thats true but Plunkett was on losers for his whole career except for those oakland years and he wasn't really that good in that second super bowl year. Simms has better stats and won more games. BTW, those raiders teams were known for defense too. To me its hard to keep out quarterbacks who are part of multiple sb winners. Then again, The hall of fame put in Tony Dungy so its really just the hall of pretty good at this point anyway.

 

[FloridaRob]

Ron wolf wanted to hire Reid who was qb coach when Holmgren left but knew if he would have bypassed Coordinators ray Rhodes or sherm Lewis the league would have killed him. They were both gone a year later and wolf regretted it until he retired.

 

[Miller]

Or as bryan broaddus tells it, him and mike lombardi told the owner after they were fired to hire Andy Reid.

I’ll trust the President of Eagles at the time mire than story time Bryan. He likes to spin yarns

 

[nalam]

Lurie has hired 5 coaches.
….

One thing is for sure, Lurie is way better at hiring coaches than Jerry is.

Lurie hires the caoch and stays hell away, whereas Jerry wears several hats , owner, GM , coach, doctor etc.

LOL,

 

[cowboyed]

Dad and mom is how Andy came to be

I always thought Dad and a walrus.

 

[noshame]

Bottom line, Jerry wants to coach, Laurie wants to win.

 

[Pass2Run]

They passed. They ran. They were aggressive. They were passive. Whatever it was, we couldn’t find anything. We almost stumbled into the fact that when it came to the description of who they were as people there were tremendous similarities – about leadership, about attention to detail, the ability to evaluate coaches and manage people.”

What's funny is I've been saying this is actually the key to your chances of winning the Super Bowl since last year. Sure, it has a lot to do with leadership. But you don't have to be the stereotypical type of alpha dog military leader to be a good leader. Many coaches would fall into the sigma class of people, because they are very keen to detail because the learn the details of whatever they know because it's usually something they actually enjoy doing.

Not only this, but they manage in a more thoughtful way.

I wouldn't necessarily call Mike Mccarthy an alpha dog, Jimmy Johnson-type. But he's effective. Landry was also not an alpha personality, per se.

McCarthy has had success, essentially, from doing detail oriented things at the macro-level, like bringing in an NFL-level coaching assistant in paid consulting roles.

When you do this in business, they are called consultants. And good ones are usually paid well for a reason. It can really help you check your work, and, at times, it can at times multiply it. It's also tax write off sort of thing.

The effects of doing this is great. And if you keep it at the right size, with the right personality types, under the right atmosphere, then you have a formula for success that is significantly higher to achieve than you would have without this structure in place.

It's like using all your tools to build the best home, the best way, with the most efficient path to getting there. It's not just about having all the right tools, though, it's about having the right craftsmen and visionaries to plan and execute the construction.

These things take some time to figure out if you're open to learning about it.

Sports is so much about chance that we often lose sight of which parts of it we are able to address to impact the outcome.

 

[pansophy]

Andy Reid is brilliant and has always been brilliant.

People look at the result too much sometimes but watching his play designs and how he gets the most out of players has always been a thing of art.

I’ve watched that guy trot out so many no talent QBs over the years and he makes them look like legit NFL QBs.

Everybody is a bum when he leaves an organization. Just ask McCarthy.