How bad are we going to be?

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Just checking my previous post, I did state we wouldn't exceed six wins. I should have specified 4-12, which is closer to what this club resembles, at least to me.
 
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Dallas had some very favorable things occur last year. Things that likely will not be repeated, at least to the same extent, and could really make things ugly if they didn't come close to repeating.

Only KC and Carolina had fewer points scored on them from KRs, PRs, and fumbles or interceptions returned for a touchdown. Those teams didn't have any, Dallas had 1, putting them near the bottom of the league in non-defensive points allowed.

They had 6 such scores of their own, putting them near the top of the league in non-offensive points scored.

Dallas had the most offensive drives start in the redzone in the NFL. 10 times Dallas started a possession inside the opponents 20. There were only 8 teams in the league with more than 5.

Dallas also defended the least number of opponents offensive drives starting in the redzone. 1 time all year did an opponent start inside the Dallas 20.
 
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Hoofbite said:
Dallas had some very favorable things occur last year. Things that likely will not be repeated, at least to the same extent, and could really make things ugly if they didn't come close to repeating.

Only KC and Carolina had fewer points scored on them from KRs, PRs, and fumbles or interceptions returned for a touchdown. Those teams didn't have any, Dallas had 1, putting them near the bottom of the league in non-defensive points allowed.

They had 6 such scores of their own, putting them near the top of the league in non-offensive points scored.

Dallas had the most offensive drives start in the redzone in the NFL. 10 times Dallas started a possession inside the opponents 20. There were only 8 teams in the league with more than 5.

Dallas also defended the least number of opponents offensive drives starting in the redzone. 1 time all year did an opponent start inside the Dallas 20.
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You don't think Dwayne Harris cannot be an effective returner? You don't think that the defense can generate turnovers again?

you call it favor but i call it defensive and special teams execution. the defense is taught relentlessly to force fumbles and pick off the ball but further to try and advance the ball.

and we also have done the adjustments taking away the outliers in field position and we still scored a ton of points after that regression when you first made this argument over the summer.
 
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McLovin said:
Consolidated from another thread. trend is worsening just a little - keeping inline with overall Vegas bias.
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Put me down for 7 and 9 but that's the homer in me talking. It'll be much worse.................
 
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FuzzyLumpkins said:
You don't think Dwayne Harris cannot be an effective returner? You don't think that the defense can generate turnovers again?

you call it favor but i call it defensive and special teams execution. the defense is taught relentlessly to force fumbles and pick off the ball but further to try and advance the ball.

and we also have done the adjustments taking away the outliers in field position and we still scored a ton of points after that regression when you first made this argument over the summer.
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Well I never said this was the only way the offense scored points so I'm not sure what you're getting at regarding the offense still scoring a ton. I did say that these points and opportunities were significantly greater than what anyone would expect.

Just pointing out now, as I was then, that the team had a number of things go in their favor.

You can call it execution or whatever you like. The point remains that's there no guarantee at all that this year's opponents don't execute better than last year's. Then what? Or what if both teams execute? What if neither team does on some plays? I don't really care if it's good fortune or solid coaching and execution because I don't think it matters either way in terms of repeating last years advantage in these areas. All coaches emphasize execution, and there's no way to positively make sure you are the better executing team.

Bottom line, I don't expect a similar outcome. If you do, that's fine. If they repeat those outcomes it will go along way to helping them stay in the mix.
 
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How anyone could have any idea what this team's record will be is beyond me. Way too many unanswered questions.
Will the o-line turn into a dominate unit?
Do we got some good luck regarding injuries and stay healthy?
We have yet to see our starting D-line take 1 snap. Is Melton a difference? When D-Law comes back can he get pressure? Does Spencer come back strong? Can both Mcclains do what they were brought in for? Does Wilcox progress in his 2nd year? Does Carter get back to his potential form?
Does Romo stay healthy?
When it comes to play calling and game planning does Scott L and Rod M make a difference?
WAY, WAY too many questions. Especially on the d side of the ball.
We will win somewhere between 1-16 games.
 
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Champsheart said:
How anyone could have any idea what this team's record will be is beyond me. Way too many unanswered questions.
Will the o-line turn into a dominate unit?
Do we got some good luck regarding injuries and stay healthy?
We have yet to see our starting D-line take 1 snap. Is Melton a difference? When D-Law comes back can he get pressure? Does Spencer come back strong? Can both Mcclains do what they were brought in for? Does Wilcox progress in his 2nd year? Does Carter get back to his potential form?
Does Romo stay healthy?
When it comes to play calling and game planning does Scott L and Rod M make a difference?
WAY, WAY too many questions. Especially on the d side of the ball.
We will win somewhere between 1-16 games.
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More posters like this please..

Lots of people were saying how bad we are going to be during the dress rehearsal game. Laughable. Think with your head and not your heart.
 
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Well I never said this was the only way the offense scored points so I'm not sure what you're getting at regarding the offense still scoring a ton. I did say that these points and opportunities were significantly greater than what anyone would expect.

Just pointing out now, as I was then, that the team had a number of things go in their favor.

You can call it execution or whatever you like. The point remains that's there no guarantee at all that this year's opponents don't execute better than last year's. Then what? Or what if both teams execute? What if neither team does on some plays? I don't really care if it's good fortune or solid coaching and execution because I don't think it matters either way in terms of repeating last years advantage in these areas. All coaches emphasize execution, and there's no way to positively make sure you are the better executing team.

Bottom line, I don't expect a similar outcome. If you do, that's fine. If they repeat those outcomes it will go along way to helping them stay in the mix.
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In essence what you are saying is that you don't think the special teams will be as good and that you don't think the defense can turn the ball over. The circumstances you don't see happening again are pretty much all outcomes of those two things.

I don't know what will happen but I am not going to dismiss that Harris might have a good year or that Marinelli might get some turnovers out of hand.
 
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The writing on the wall was BAD when the team started rearranging the deck chairs on the coaching staff and Broaddus was writing DC.com fluff pieces about Terrell McClains 20 career NFL snaps.
 
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FuzzyLumpkins said:
In essence what you are saying is that you don't think the special teams will be as good and that you don't think the defense can turn the ball over. The circumstances you don't see happening again are pretty much all outcomes of those two things.

I don't know what will happen but I am not going to dismiss that Harris might have a good year or that Marinelli might get some turnovers out of hand.
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It's not so much about whether or not they actually will create the same amount of turnovers, or whether or not special teams is just as good. It's more about whether or not they will get the same amount of points and redzone opportunities from those turnovers. I'm not dismissing that either is going to happen. They could be just as good in taking the ball away and playing special teams and yet still score fewer defensive TDs and come out with fewer redzone starts. Same effect could be seen in their opponents but in the opposite direction. Same amount of turnovers, yet score more than the 1 TD they did last year and start in the redzone more than the 1 time that they did last year.
 
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we win 3 or 4 games max.. that's with Romo performing miracles. Our d is going to be worst in the league and give up more points than we've seen in years.
 
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