How bad do we need to upgrade at cb ?

[Doomsday101]

Jammer is a bump and run corner and the NFL just doesn't allow for his style of play to succeed on a consistent basis.

Getting Jammer would be a risk in my opinion.

I'd look for someone who can simply just cover better.

I think most of the top CB are bump and run CB. By not allowing WR a free release you take them out of rout instead of giving these 10 yard cushions.

 

[CATCH17]

Jammer is physical which makes it even better, I believe he could play both Safety and Conerback if needed.

Unless he is coming at a bargain rate then i'd rather look somewhere else.

Just because he had 1 good game doesn't mean hes a good player because his overall career has been terrible.

 

[cowboyjoe]

First, we maybe overlooking something about the cowboys, we do need a cornerback, badly, henry every other year comes up with a ankle sprain, and each year it gets worse.
Then, you add in the fact that Henry is 31 going on 32 and newman is 29 not many years left for those guys. My thinking though, we are overlooking our defensive backs coaches teaching. Look at the Patriots, each year they go out and get a # 2 or # 3 pick cb and teach him well in covering, it seems that our coaches dont do that or cant the ones that we have teaching.

So, I think we need a good young defensive bright coach teaching, i say let browles go, move henry to safety alittle, so in 2 years he can help there, and offenisve coaches dont know whom is playing at rcb.

Far as the giants, they did it with pass rush, blitzing about 6-7 men, they would keep the 2 safeties in the center of the field so they could move to where they needed to cover to help out the cornerbacks. I suspect you will see the cowboys using some of that scheme, but we need a safety that can cover the center of the field, roy williams sure cant do that. And, yes, the giants blitzed 6 men most of the 4th quarter while our offensive line was stinking up the game. We need a good young fb, and there are 2 good ones this year, fullbacks dont generally go till 3rd quarter, schmidt is one of them, i would try to get him, since hoyte is coming off of a neck stinger, and u generally dont come off of that tyep of injury again real well.

then you add in to the fact, we lost T O to injury and he wasnt the same player, terry glenn tried but was hurt too much, and crayton has an issue with his mouth, which he needs to work on his physical ability, so what the giants were doing was doubling jason witten when he wasnt in helping block strahan, and fasano dropped an easy touchdown right in hiis hands, so u add in all of those things, and the stupid penalities, and the bad calls by the refs,


refs, ware wasnt offsides, o'hara moved the football, and the NFL admitted that romo shouldnt have gotten the intentional grounding, but eil should have , so take just those 3 bad calls, that would have changed the game, add in all of those things,

so what we need to do is this, first was very obvious barber ran out of gas, so we need a rb in 1st round, we need a cb, in 1st round, and we need a wr-punt returner, and jerry jones needs to resign T O, go get another wr like roy williams of detriot or berrihan of bears, a proven deep speed guy, since the first year, wrs dont make a big impact their first year, but we need to set up for loss of T O in a couple of years, and terry glenn is most likely done for his career,

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

very badly IMO all year we would get teams into 3rd and long and the secondary would just let them get it. (not naming any names or anything)

 

[Hostile]

Everyone is calling for the Boys to draft a CB. While i agree they need to get a nickel cb who is better than reeves, im not convinced that Newman and Henry are a problem, and not sure i would want the Boys to spend a first round pick on CB.

What i want to know is how the heck the Giants shut down the cowboys passing game and Favre, both on the road, when their secondary was supposed to be the weak link of the defense and one of their starters missed the GB game with seperated shoulder.

Are the giants 2 CB's better than Newman and Henry ?
And i thought their safeties were supposed to be awful in coverage.

Yet their defense shut down 2 high scoring offenses that live more off the pass than the run and did it on the road.

On an urgency scale of 1 to 5 with 5 being the most urgent...4.

Both our starting CBs had health issues this year. When healthy they are great. Both are also closer to the ends of their careers than the beginning of them because of age. So youth is a good insurance.

I've said I'd like to add a veteran like Shawn Springs, who I hope is waived ina cap move by Washington, and draft a CB in the first. I would not bring back Reeves or Nate Jones. Use Springs in the Nickel and groom the rookie.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Unless he is coming at a bargain rate then i'd rather look somewhere else.

Just because he had 1 good game doesn't mean hes a good player because his overall career has been terrible.

I believe Wade Phillips is familiar with Quentin Jammer and that helps and he knows he strengths and Weakness and I believe this would go a long way.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

I believe Wade Phillips is familiar with Quentin Jammer and that helps and he knows he strengths and Weakness and I believe this would go a long way.

yeah i think so also. him or florence knows wades system well

 

[CATCH17]

I believe Wade Phillips is familiar with Quentin Jammer and that helps and he knows he strengths and Weakness and I believe this would go a long way.

That could also be the reason we don't bring him in.

He has not done well at all since he has been a Charger. Especially under Wade.

 

[BlueStar II]

Giants do it with some good pressure. As for their DB's they have done a great job of not allowing the deep ball and come up and make sure tackles on the shorter routs.

Yes, the Giants DBs didn't allow the deep ball and they made some sure tackles on the shorter routes, Green Bay didn't have very many yards after the catch.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

That could also be the reason we don't bring him in.

He has not done well at all since he has been a Charger.

Well, take Leonard Davis for example, not saying or comparing Quentin Jammer anyway to him, but it helps to change the back-ground scenary like Deion Sanders about McNabb and a whole lot of other guys.

 

[Doomsday101]

That could also be the reason we don't bring him in.

He has not done well at all since he has been a Charger.

I would not bring him here for top money either but if Dallas could get him at a decent price I would love to have him working with Newman and Henry. At SD all to often he was matched up against the opposing teams #1 WR in Dallas that would not be the case very often.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

Well, take Leonard Davis for example, not saying or comparing Quentin Jammer anyway to him, but it helps to change the back-ground scenary like Deion Sanders about McNabb and a whole lot of other guys.

i agree sometimes people just need a change of enviroment. maybe new teammates. as a charger until mid season he really had nobody that couldsit him down. in dallas he would have to show he could be a no. 1 or 2 cb

 

[RealCowboyfan]

i agree sometimes people just need a change of enviroment. maybe new teammates. as a charger until mid season he really had nobody that couldsit him down. in dallas he would have to show he could be a no. 1 or 2 cb

Right about now that wouldn't be hard to do.

 

[CATCH17]

Well, take Leonard Davis for example, not saying or comparing Quentin Jammer anyway to him, but it helps to change the back-ground scenary like Deion Sanders about McNabb and a whole lot of other guys.

Maybe but the guy is in a pretty darn good situation.

He has 1 heck of a pass rush and lots of good help in the secondary around him.

I think up until last Sunday you would have to label him a complete bust.

Now all he has is a pulse.

There just has to be better options out there.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

Right about now that wouldn't be hard to do.

well yaeh i guess so. T-new would be the only one to challenge him in my eyes

 

[sago1]

Sometimes I don't believe we are all watching the same team. We've got Henry (turning 32) & Newman (turning 30). That's getting old and we need some talented youth behind them who can step up and become a quality starter asap. Also both were injuried last year and we can't win a SB with them. Hopefully a good CB will be available with either of our first round picks. The other picks can be the BPA at either RB or WR although I wouldn't be surprised if we use a first day pick on an ILB like Beau whose good against the run and good in pass coverage -- will help our secondary a lot. We can't go into the 08 season hoping Ball or Courtney Brown (now playing FS) can start for us if either Henry (as often has happened) goes down or Newman does.

 

[Oh_Canada]

With that said, Giants lead the NFL in sacks, with what defense?

4-3 Perhaps? An Old Cowboys Superbowl Doomsday tradition instead of the Pittsburgh Steelers steel curtain tradition....

Cowboys need to switch back.

Yeah...and the next two...Dallas and New england....run the 3-4....the bottom eight teams in sacks all happen to employ the 4-3....the Giants are an anomoly because they have four starters that can all rush the passer effectively. The scheme is only as good as the personnel you have to run it....I think the Boys are fine in this department.

Back to the orginal point of this thread, the Cowboys need a pair of corners...I would prefer to see another vet, a rook and let the best player opposite TNew start. You can always find a taker in the preseason if you have too much depth....though I highly doubt that.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Henry is injury prone and corner is a position that relies on a player being a 100% since it's a position based on speed. Any lingering leg or foot injuries affects their speed and their ability to cover which is why Deion Sanders was never the same after his turf toe injury. I agree with the poster who said we need at least 2 more corners if not 3.

 

[Hoov]

Sometimes I don't believe we are all watching the same team. We've got Henry (turning 32) & Newman (turning 30). That's getting old and we need some talented youth behind them who can step up and become a quality starter asap. Also both were injuried last year and we can't win a SB with them. Hopefully a good CB will be available with either of our first round picks. The other picks can be the BPA at either RB or WR although I wouldn't be surprised if we use a first day pick on an ILB like Beau whose good against the run and good in pass coverage -- will help our secondary a lot. We can't go into the 08 season hoping Ball or Courtney Brown (now playing FS) can start for us if either Henry (as often has happened) goes down or Newman does.

I realize the age of our cb's but we have the same issue at wr. I would also grade the need for an ILB very high. So if drafting wr, cb, ILB, i would think it better to get the wr and ILB in round 1, get the cb in round 2.

 

[glassjaw]

With that said, Giants lead the NFL in sacks, with what defense?

4-3 Perhaps? An Old Cowboys Superbowl Doomsday tradition instead of the Pittsburgh Steelers steel curtain tradition....

Cowboys need to switch back.

The Old Steel Curtain Defense was a 4-3. They did not go to 3-4 until Cowher.

49ers of 80's, Parcells Giants, Patriots, and Bills of 90's all ran the 3-4 and they did OK. We are fine with 3-4. We just need a couple more players to make it go right. CB is one of them, or two.