How bad do we need to upgrade at cb ?

[CATCH17]

The Old Steel Curtain Defense was a 4-3. They did not go to 3-4 until Cowher.

49ers of 80's, Parcells Giants, Patriots, and Bills of 90's all ran the 3-4 and they did OK. We are fine with 3-4. We just need a couple more players to make it go right. CB is one of them, or two.

Our front 7 is definetely not the problem.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

The Old Steel Curtain Defense was a 4-3. They did not go to 3-4 until Cowher.

49ers of 80's, Parcells Giants, Patriots, and Bills of 90's all ran the 3-4 and they did OK. We are fine with 3-4. We just need a couple more players to make it go right. CB is one of them, or two.

i like the 3-4, but maybe go to a hybrid

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Our front 7 is definetely not the problem.

Our front 7 could improve. It's not like we were getting consistent pressure with our guys up front in that loss.

 

[sonnyboy]

Our front 7 is definetely not the problem.

Tell me about it.
Whats with all this talk of scrapping the 3-4 and drafting an ILB.

Can someone explain how we need an ILB? Or at least who ILB is more of a priority than WR, RB, CB, SS, CB, OL.

The one area this team is not in need is defensive front seven.

At NT we have Fergy, Tank and Ratliff if either of the first two go down.
At DE we have Canty, Spears, Hatcher and Ratliff.
At MLB we have James, Adoyle, Carpenter.
At OLB we have Ware, Ellis, Spencer and Burnett who can also play MLB.

No way we spend a day one pick here. Now on day two if we're looking at a great value, some front seven player we had rated a day one pick availible in rd 6. Well ya of course you scoop him up. But outside of that senario, no.

The fact that were so well stocked at the defensive front seven leads to my next point.
How the hell can anyone propose we switch back to a 4-3.
Our HC is a defensive guy who employs a 3-4.
And we have great 3-4 front seven personel.

Switching to a 4-3 makes about as much sense as replacing Garrett with Cameron and trading both 1st rd picks to move up and draft the best QB.

 

[CF74]

The league is relying on the pass more and more and as many have stated, our 2 CB's are injury prone and aging. I still like Reeves but as a #4. Not sure what we're gonna do with Oglesby or how much talent is there, but if we don't draft a CB with one of our 1st 3 picks then the coaches see something the fans don't. Nat Jones is only good as a Kamikaze blitzer but a liability in coverage. He's just ok as a return man, we need a burner. Bringing in a vet is good but what about the future? Go young via the draft but get a good un..

 

[LarryCanadian]

To answer the original question. VERY BADLY. We need to upgrade CB and DB's in general.

Many reasons:

Newman is 30.
Henry and Newman have had injury issues the last couple of years.
Our safeties and Lb'er struggle covering TE's of which there are some good ones in our division.
Our safeties can't cover WR's regularly, so we need more CB's situationally.
The soft 10 yard cushion is killing our defense, which looks particularly strong and deep in the front 7.
We suck at zone and prevent defense, so get more GOOD cb's to play man.
Reeves struggled and got picked on.
Roy is a liability and a focus of oppossing teams in pass game.
The trend in NFL is to go 2 WR and TE, or 3 WR and TE, or even 4 WR. You need to cover them.
2 CB's is the old NFL. 3 is fairly normal now.
I'd like to see Newman out of slot sometimes, or be able to at least match CB's to receivers (Henry on bigger slower ones, Newman on fast guy, new guy on another) etc.

LarryCanadian

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Very bad.....Henry, I don't know what is wrong with him.....no speed.

 

[Hoov]

To answer the original question. VERY BADLY. We need to upgrade CB and DB's in general.

Many reasons:

Newman is 30.
Henry and Newman have had injury issues the last couple of years.
Our safeties and Lb'er struggle covering TE's of which there are some good ones in our division.
Our safeties can't cover WR's regularly, so we need more CB's situationally.
The soft 10 yard cushion is killing our defense, which looks particularly strong and deep in the front 7.
We suck at zone and prevent defense, so get more GOOD cb's to play man.
Reeves struggled and got picked on.
Roy is a liability and a focus of oppossing teams in pass game.
The trend in NFL is to go 2 WR and TE, or 3 WR and TE, or even 4 WR. You need to cover them.
2 CB's is the old NFL. 3 is fairly normal now.
I'd like to see Newman out of slot sometimes, or be able to at least match CB's to receivers (Henry on bigger slower ones, Newman on fast guy, new guy on another) etc.

LarryCanadian

I think we need better play from the ILB's for us to improve with your statements i put in bold.

 

[Chuck 54]

Everyone is calling for the Boys to draft a CB. While i agree they need to get a nickel cb who is better than reeves, im not convinced that Newman and Henry are a problem, and not sure i would want the Boys to spend a first round pick on CB.

What i want to know is how the heck the Giants shut down the cowboys passing game and Favre, both on the road, when their secondary was supposed to be the weak link of the defense and one of their starters missed the GB game with seperated shoulder.

Are the giants 2 CB's better than Newman and Henry ?
And i thought their safeties were supposed to be awful in coverage.

Yet their defense shut down 2 high scoring offenses that live more off the pass than the run and did it on the road.

How NY did it?

They have better safeties than we do, and while I'd put Newman over any of them, Webster, Ross, and Madison are a better unit than Newman, Henry, and Reeves, imo....not to mention they have a more consistent pass rush than we do, and they totally shut down the running game, making GB one dimensional.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Our problem wasn't with Henry or Newman. Our problem is that 2 corners can't cover 4 receivers. I'd take McQuarters-Webster-Dockery as my 3, 4, and 5 over Reeves-Jones-Oglesby.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I keep seeing threads saying Jammer is a free agent this year, but that would be based off his rookie 6 year contract in 2002. In 2006 he signed a 5 year extension putting him under contract until 2012. Not sure why everyone still has him listed as a free agent.

 

[LarryCanadian]

Yeah, we need to draft or pick up some hybrid type middle linebackers, that are similar Burnett, or good old Dexter Coakley.

I've posted before, it's almost like some type of hybrid position is being created by the athletic, quick, TE's that can catch that are popping up all over. Need some coverage from the lber position, and there are too many mismatches.

That being said, until you have the lbers or safeties that can cover the middle, you NEED to have DB's, usually CB's, to do the job. There are still more CB's being developed than these new fandangled hybrid lbers and safeties.

Hence, I still say we need to add TWO QUALITY coverage DB's at least this offseason to complement Newman, Henry, and hopefully Hamlin again.

LarryCanadian