How bad is Jerry Jones?

[kevm3]

Jerry Jones is a great businessman, but not so great of a football mind.

 

[Eddie]

He's not the best, and he's not the worst GM.

OK, so please name a WORSE GM that has headed a team over a 16 year period ....

Bad GM's lose their jobs. Jerry gets to keep his regardless of the outcome.

This is what happens in a totalitarian state. No progress ... ever.

Time to revolt.

 

[Dodger12]

I have been fed up, which is why I haven't been posting in a very long time. It just gets old hearing these mewing children whine day after day after day.....

It wasn't just directed at Erod, but all the other "fans" who have to post about JJ all the time. HE ain't leaving! When is passes, his son is taking over...get over it or move on....Let's talk football or get move on please.

It also gets old to read these countless excuse making threads for JJ. It works both ways.

 

[noshame]

First you surround yourself with buffoons, so everybody knows you're the man. Then when that flops, you hire some good football people and totally ignore them on draft day.

That, ladies and gentleman, is the mark of a stellar GM, and why we're 17 seasons and counting.

 

[noshame]

It also gets old to read these countless excuse making threads for JJ. It works both ways.

Exactly, they start a thread with a OP about JJ and then whine when people counter it.

They really need 2 forums, one for the sunshine crowd, and one for reality.

 

[Dodger12]

If Parcells doesn't "save" our team in 2003.

We're looking at a pretty high 2004 draft pick. We get either Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, or Ben Roethlisberger. Or 2005 Maybe we end up getting Aaron Rodgers (assuming we aren't bad enough still to get Alex Smith).

Why didn't we draft a QB in 2004 or 2005? Because we had Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe to the rescue...

We get a quarterback early on and we stick with the 4-3, we would have had a very different last 10 years.

So you're being critical of Parcells but admit that we probably would have been worse off without him in 2003 and then somehow blame that success in our failure to acquire a high pick in 2004 which we could have used on a QB? That's some twisted logic right there.

And by the way, we didn't draft a QB in 04/05 because we gave up a 3rd round pick for Henson who Jerry loved. He even took Troy to Henson's workout and got his seal of approval. Sound familiar?

 

[Zordon]

17 years...

 

[Dodger12]

The big move that Jerry made in 1989 though was the huge Herschel Walker trade. Which I'm sure in tandem with firing Landry was probably seen as lunacy at the time. This trade essentially pioneered the Cowboys and quickly brought them from being one of the worst teams in the nfl to becoming one of the best.

Yes. An oil wildcatter bought the team in 89 and engineered one of the greatest trades in sports history. Got it. This has been debunked, even by Jimmy himself. Jerry didn't get involved in the football side until he got the teams finances in order which eventually led to Jimmy leaving.

What most people don't realize is that there was no salary cap in the NFL until 1994. And what did Jerry do to try to keep the wins coming? He heavily back loaded contracts in order to still get key players like Deion Sanders (95) and Charles Haley (92).

I agree on Deion. But there wasn’t any salary cap backloading to get Haley here. We traded for him in 92 and he was gone in 96.

And mind you we're dealing with some serious dead money through all of this, due to back loaded contracts that made it possible for us to win in the early/mid 90s. There was a point where we could barely man a full roster.

The backloaded contracts are not the reason we won nor made it “possible” for us to win in the early/mid 90’s. We won because we drafted well and built a deep and talented team through the draft. Our demise started partly because our talent was starting to thin out due to free agency but mainly because of our inablity to draft. Our drafts, post Jimmy Johnson, were absolutely pathetic.

At any rate we found a huge gem in Tony Romo. Thanks to Sean Payton (who Parcells helped drive out, not that we cared to stop him).

Can you please point me to something, anything that indictaed BP drove away Sean Payton? Payton speaks highly of Parcells and gives him a great deal of credit. Payton turned down a HC job in Oakland in the year before he went to the Saints. It was only a matter of time before we lost Payton to a HC gig. But I’ll wait on that link where BP drove away Payton when you can post it.

Have we had playoff success? Certainly we haven't, but as I've shown there have been a lot of circumstances to create that perfect storm, and it hasn't just been Jerry's ineptitude. It also has to do with the fact that we have one of the toughest divisions in football. Combine that with a total team collapse, salary cap hell, some key injuries, and missing premium draft picks due to risks taken, and a few bad drafts to be honest, it's fuel for disaster.

Yes, we’re the unluckiest team in the NFL going on 20 years. I hate it when that happens

The number 1 person I would blame would be Bill Parcells. I find it funny that he gets so much praise for reviving our team. I would say he was a bandage on a gunshot wound.

So BP was a “bandage on a gunshot wound” which existed when he got here but you blame him for the state of the franchise? Does this make any sense to you? I take that back…it obviously does.

 

[ufcrules1]

It wasn't just directed at Erod, but all the other "fans" who have to post about JJ all the time. HE ain't leaving! When is passes, his son is taking over...get over it or move on....Let's talk football or get move on please.

Wow.. maybe you should slow down a bit and read what you typed before posting it.

 

[mmillman]

when Jimmy was here, Jimmy was the GM and coach. You are giving credit to Jerry for stuff Jimmy was actively doing. It isn't a coincidence that ever since Jimmy left, Jerry has been trying to prove what a "football" guy he is. Well, how has the two decades been since Jimmy left and Jerry has been the owner/GM?

Dallas has had an Oaklandesque string of lower tier coaches. Dallas has had a string of stupid trades. Dallas has had a string of cap mismanagement. Dallas has had more than their share of poor drafts. Dallas has been mostly mediocre for a long time.

The only thing, imo, that is keeping this franchise afloat is they have been good or lucky with undrafted free agents. Romo and Austin were big finds. Other than that Dallas has been a lousy franchise to root for.

 

[Vintage]

Anthony Spencer listed under the failed or semi failed list?

lol.

 

[slomoxn]

OK, so please name a WORSE GM that has headed a team over a 16 year period ....

Bad GM's lose their jobs. Jerry gets to keep his regardless of the outcome.

This is what happens in a totalitarian state. No progress ... ever.

Time to revolt.

There was that guy in Detroit that drafted wide receivers 1st pick three years in a row but neglected the rest of the team... Oh wait, he got fired.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Jerry as GM deserves the heat he takes I also think some will go after him on any and everything which in my view is a bit overboard. Jerry will get slammed on bad picks and yet many will claim on good picks that Jerry had nothing to do with it. I guess I expect even handedness when being critical of a person.

I have no problem saying if I was the owner of the Cowboys I would have fired Jerry the GM a while back but that is not the reality. I do think if Jerry continues to hire good people in the scouting department and uses their views on players we draft then yes this team can win. If he fails to listen to those people he hired then we won't.

 

[Eddie]

There was that guy in Detroit that drafted wide receivers 1st pick three years in a row but neglected the rest of the team... Oh wait, he got fired.

Yep ... he only lasted 5 years.

Jerry has 12 more on him.

 

[birdwells1]

The problem with Jerry is that he seems to try to follow the latest trends instead of having a solid plan.

When the Rams were "the greatest show on turf" he wanted to mimic their speed so he went after Joey Galloway to pair with the Rocket and installed vertical passing game.

After Philly had some success with McNabb he drafted Q.Carter as his running qb.

He wants to mimic the patriots 2 te formations so he spends a second round pick on a te, when we have and had good te to run this formation before and haven't been successful.

Now he's mentioning Balt.and NYG as the prototype that he would want to follow.

Its seems to me that JJ looks at other teams and say "boy I wish my team could be like that" and changes the course of the team to do it. He should just have a solid plan and stick with it, that the signs of a person that doesnt have the knowledge that others in his positions possess. What he sees is the outcome of these successful organizations but he should look on the inside to see how the foundation was built.

 

[jjktkk]

I think Jerry as GM deserves the heat he takes I also think some will go after him on any and everything which in my view is a bit overboard. Jerry will get slammed on bad picks and yet many will claim on good picks that Jerry had nothing to do with it. I guess I expect even handedness when being critical of a person.

Spot on. You can't have both ways imo.

 

[Doomsday101]

Spot on. You can't have both ways imo.

Seems some can. :laugh2: It is just hard to take anyone serious when they sit there blaming Jones for every single thing yet when good moves have been made they are the 1st to claim Jerry had nothing to do with that.

 

[erod]

I have been fed up, which is why I haven't been posting in a very long time. It just gets old hearing these mewing children whine day after day after day.....

The mewing children versus the mindless sheep.....

Jerry is exactly the one and only wrench in an otherwise perfect situation to win football games. He's it. He has every advantage a GM could possible have, and he manages to blow it 17 years and counting....

That's actually hard to do. He wildcatted the first round of this draft - went against his entire scouting and coaching team - and just threw a dart blindfolded.

That's what he did in the oil business, and that's what he does here.

 

[jjktkk]

The mewing children versus the mindless sheep.....

Jerry is exactly the one and only wrench in an otherwise perfect situation to win football games. He's it. He has every advantage a GM could possible have, and he manages to blow it 17 years and counting....

That's actually hard to do. He wildcatted the first round of this draft - went against his entire scouting and coaching team - and just threw a dart blindfolded.

That's what he did in the oil business, and that's what he does here.

Since your a season ticket holder, that really makes your takes comical about some fans being sheep. Your paying good money to watch the Jerry Jones product. Whose the sheep?

:laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

Since your a season ticket holder, that really makes your takes comical about some fans being sheep. Your paying good money to watch the Jerry Jones product. Whose the sheep?

:laugh2:

Very good point