How badly did we mess up the RB situation?

[Alexander]

I don't think it would've mattered because the oline took steps back this year. Like most of the team.

It only looks that way given the circumstances. Who is to say there were similar situations last year where the line did not block well and Murray had the ability to read a block better or power through a little better? There was always this fallacy that Murray had semi-truck sized holes on every carry. Go back and watch those games, that was not always the case and not nearly as much as revisionist history paints it so.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

The RB situation was screwed LONG before Murray signed with Philly. A PROPERLY managed RB situation last year would have NEVER allowed Murray to gain 2000 yards. Murray should have been a 1400 yard back...which would have made him more affective late in the season...and would have made him more affordable in the long run. Plus it would have gotten Dunbar and Randle more involved....and given us a better fell for what we had in both of those guys. It is unfathomable to me that Jason Garrett is considered a smart "football man". I just don't see it. I really don't.

 

[tm1119]

We were saddled with Carr's idiotic contract coming into this season. How bleak was it then? Oh yes, I forgot, everyone thought he would get a pay cut or get released.

Ok, what's your point? That because we had 1 bad contract that hurts the team we should have 2? There was no productive way to cut Carr and benefit from it this year, plus he hasn't exactly been a problem on the field this year. The team had a choice on Murray and they made the choice that benefited the team most down the line.

You can complain all you want about their choices of replacement for Murray, but how on earth anybody would want Murray's contract on the team going forward is beyond me.

 

[perrykemp]

We lost our winning formula win Romo went down.

The Cowboys without a top 2-3 running game in the JG era with Romo has shown to be a 8-8 team on average.

The Cowboys with a top 2-3 running game in the JG era with Romo (ie the 2014 season) has been shown to a Superbowl <calibre> team.

Having Romo without a dominating running game has been shown to NOT be the winning formula. Why do we think that is different this year?

 

[links18]

we will find out how badly this was handled come draft time...if we draft one early, then we messed it up pretty badly. If we draft a difference maker on defense, which is what we need badly to bring this defense up more, and then take a RB later on, then we did not mess up that badly.

Or we just mess up again.

 

[CATCH17]

The Cowboys without a top 2-3 running game in the JG era with Romo has shown to be a 8-8 team on average.

The Cowboys with a top 2-3 running game in the JG era with Romo (ie the 2014 season) has been shown to a Superbowl <calibre> team.

Having Romo without a dominating running game has been shown to NOT be the winning formula. Why do we think that is different this year?

Because I think the running game is dominant with Romo.

It's top 10 without him with the predictability factor.


It would be elite again this year imo if our QB was keeping drives alive.

Last years running game would not have produced the results it did without Romo being so successful keeping drives going.

 

[Alexander]

Ok, what's your point? That because we had 1 bad contract that hurts the team we should have 2? There was no productive way to cut Carr and benefit from it this year, plus he hasn't exactly been a problem on the field this year. The team had a choice on Murray and they made the choice that benefited the team most down the line.

You can complain all you want about their choices of replacement for Murray, but how on earth anybody would want Murray's contract on the team going forward is beyond me.

We can go on and on about the bad contracts that this team has committed to. We are still on the hook for Miles Austin. Yes, that guy. So you do enough of those, even a prudent decision like this is to not back up a Brink's truck for Murray is tainted by the idiocy of the past.

 

[jobberone]

Because I think the running game is dominant with Romo.

It's top 10 without him with the predictability factor.


It would be elite again this year imo if our QB was keeping drives alive.

Last years running game would not have produced the results it did without Romo being so successful keeping drives going.

This.

A large part but I don't think that's all. I do think Murray is the better back. But you can see what happens to a pretty good back on a non-dominant team. Murray isn't lighting the league up.

In hindsight depending on Randle was a bad decision. That's in hindsight. I don't remember anyone saying he'd be off the team just he wasn't that good of a back. He ran the ball as well as others including Murray in Philly.

People keep bemoaning the loss of Murray instead of seeing the running game isn't the reason we are losing. It's the passing game and that is what it will always be unless they change the game back to the old days.

 

[jobberone]

We can go on and on about the bad contracts that this team has committed to. We are still on the hook for Miles Austin. Yes, that guy. So you do enough of those, even a prudent decision like this is to not back up a Brink's truck for Murray is tainted by the idiocy of the past.

The way out of a hole is to keep climbing out. If you're doing something wrong stop doing it. We have been. But it was a deep hole and we're still climbing out. Not sure what your point is. The past is the past and we have stopped the lunacy of the past to use your words. That's all one can do.

I will admit you have to pay certain players. A RB with one great season and a history of injuries is not one. Again, he's not tearing the league up. No one is stacking the LOS for him.

 

[Miller]

The problem we have now...and I heard this discussion yesterday...is we really have no room for error. Teams can't stack the line like TB did last week with Romo back. But if McFadden goes down...as he has done in past years...then they can just pin their ears back and attack Romo and the passing game. We will have zero running game to keep them honest. That's my fear. We basically have one guy now that isn't a street guy. We need him and Romo to last 7 games.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We are averaging 0.3 fewer yards per rush. That is without our All Pro QB for 7 games and without a healthy Dez for 5.

We are Top 10 in yards and Top 12 in yards per rush to date.

Given the hardships this team has faced...i'd say the ownership was right. We should always be able to run with this line and our rushing efficiency will improve with Romo.

The Cowboys allocated their resources intelligently.

 

[Alexander]

The way out of a hole is to keep climbing out. If you're doing something wrong stop doing it. We have been. But it was a deep hole and we're still climbing out. Not sure what your point is. The past is the past and we have stopped the lunacy of the past to use your words. That's all one can do.

Proper self evaluation is the one quality we lack.

We think we are doing things right, but there is too much time talking in catch phrases about windows, glory holes, secret sauce and men in the mirror.

It took how long to build an OL after the Minnesota playoff game should have proven it needed to be addressed and hard.

Now we will probably learn the brutal lesson about misevaluating the backup QB job.

It takes disaster to prompt thoughtful risk taking and cost analysis. When you are run by a pathological optimist, it takes a trainwreck to understand what needs to be done. Bad thing is, blinders go on at that point and there are a lot of assumptions being made.[/quote]

 

[ShiningStar]

Callahan.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

This thread is pointless and should be deleted. I can't wrap my head around claiming that the rb situation was botched because we are ranked like 6th in rushing or something. If you are salty because murray walked, it really wouldn't have mattered because we haven't been losing due to rushing (or according to op, lack there of.)

Accounts need to bench for spamming the same threads. It's really stupid and a waste of time for clicking on threads with the expectations of reading something different but it's the same people saying the same things in different threads.

There are accounts that need to be made an example of. #lazymods

 

[Bleu Star]

First off, I'll admit, I wanted to let Murray go after the Eagles gave him that 8 million dollars a year offer. I would have signed him to a 6 million dollar per year contract. I think the previous low ball offer really affected Murray and offended him. It caused him to hold out in free agency, look for the best deal, and make an attempt to engage division rivals into a bidding war for his services.

I think the front office's arrogance completely botched that situation up. They wanted to emulate what the Patriots do, RBBC, and even though it's sound in theory, how often does it work in practice? It works for the Patriots cause they have Tom Brady. Their success always points back to Tom. The other deciding factor was probably based off the success of the o-line last year. "Anyone" can run behind that line. Say what you will, but Murray was the perfect back for this system. The only glaring deficiencies he had was the fumbling issue and his vision.

Last year Murray, Randle and Dunbar were all on the active roster. This year all 3 are gone (Dunbar to the IR). It's been a RB carousel this year with guys like Randle, McFadden, Michael, Rod Smith and probably Trey Williams soon. There's no consistency at all. It looks ugly, stagnate, and with hardly any upside.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I hate to say it, but I think things would have been tremendously different had we kept #29.

I knew some of y'all would eventually come around. The RB situation is a shambles. It started trending down as soon as we let Demarco walk and... I will say it once more

Letting Demarco go will go down as one of the worst moves in Dallas Cowboys history.
2014: So close
2015: Yet, so far.

We did it to ourselves.

I don't care what he's doing in Philly. How well he is or isn't fitting there. He fit here.

 

[Bleu Star]

This thread is pointless and should be deleted. I can't wrap my head around claiming that the rb situation was botched because we are ranked like 6th in rushing or something. If you are salty because murray walked, it really wouldn't have mattered because we haven't been losing due to rushing (or according to op, lack there of.)

Accounts need to bench for spamming the same threads. It's really stupid and a waste of time for clicking on threads with the expectations of reading something different but it's the same people saying the same things in different threads.

There are accounts that need to be made an example of. #lazymods

& some of you will never understand... exhibit a

20 years & counting...

 

[CrownCowboy]

It's obvious that the running back questions for this team and how they have handled it is totally dependant on a healthy Tony Romo.

With that being said, paying Murray what the Eagles did was way too much and I believe that we did the right thing by not breaking the bank. I do wish we could have kept Murray but the NFL is a business and things went the way they went.

Where I think we messed up is the draft. There were many options on the table for us to land one of the many running backs coming out and we should have grabbed one. We were crazy to think that Joseph Randle would and could shoulder the load.

I'll admit that I thought with what we had on the roster that we would be alright at the position. I was wrong. Of course, losing Dunbar has affected things alot as well.

 

[Kaiser]

I think it would've been fine had Romo stayed healthy.

Agree,and I would add that if our OL was playing like they did last year it wouldn't be an issue either. The current RB situation wasn't handled perfectly but wouldn't be an issue if Romo was healthy and/or our OL was 100%.

Setting a limit to what you would pay DeMarco was the right move. Not overdrafting a RB was the right move considering how the draft fell into place. I'd still rather have Gregory than some of the 2nd round backs.

The current situation is a symptom and not the disease. Romo being out means teams stack the box, which is compounded by the problems the OL is having. The Cowboys ended trying to get through the season with a bandaid at RB, the problem is the bleeding at other spots.

 

[jobberone]

Proper self evaluation is the one quality we lack.

We think we are doing things right, but there is too much time talking in catch phrases about windows, glory holes, secret sauce and men in the mirror.

It took how long to build an OL after the Minnesota playoff game should have proven it needed to be addressed and hard.

Now we will probably learn the brutal lesson about misevaluating the backup QB job.

It takes disaster to prompt thoughtful risk taking and cost analysis. When you are run by a pathological optimist, it takes a trainwreck to understand what needs to be done. Bad thing is, blinders go on at that point and there are a lot of assumptions being made.

[/quote]

I think you are blowing it all at of proportion (except Jerry does see oil under every rock). If Romo is around we likely are 7-2 not 2-7. Then 98% of the chatter is optimism not fire everyone including the mail clerk.

Yes, they miscalculated the backup QB. I can criticize that with both fore and hindsight.

 

[perrykemp]

Because I think the running game is dominant with Romo.

It's top 10 without him with the predictability factor.


It would be elite again this year imo if our QB was keeping drives alive.

Last years running game would not have produced the results it did without Romo being so successful keeping drives going.

The whole thing hinges on DMC who's track record is that, generally speaking, his body doesn't hold up to a big workload.

We are all crossing our fingers that he can carry that kind of load, but it's probably being hopeful to assume he can be this year's Demarco Murray.

We'll see...