How 'bout we wait for Hardy to show and prove (before)

[gimmesix]

before annointing him as the greatest offseason acquisition and most dangerous pass-rusher in Dallas. He should easily be an upgrade over the current lot and likely (hopefully) will be a force to be reckoned with. But I think it's necessary for all to expect him to show and prove first- especially given his circumstances. Not to mention he's only be great for 2 seasons- we're not talking Demarcus Ware, here... or even Trent Cole, as of yet. Would hate to see another Marcellus Wiley-ish let down. I don't think that'll be the case, but I'm waiting to see it before I get all rah-rah about the guy. At this point, he needs this team as much as this team needs his potential (if not more).

I think the point is that Hardy is proven as a player. He had more than 10 sacks in each of his past two full seasons and had a sack in his only game last year. His play was on the rise instead of decline, and he's only 26, which should mean several more productive years before the decline hits.

Those are reasons to be excited about his playing ability. It doesn't mean he'll meet those expectations, but there is good reason to believe that he will.

It's the opposite of the player in your sig. There is absolutely no reason to get excited about Darren McFadden because the past three seasons, his play has declined. Those expecting a back whose averaged 3.3, 3.3 and 3.4 yards per carry the past three seasons to be the answer at running back are not being realistic. They are basing it on the player they saw he could be in college or maybe even a few years ago in Oakland instead of the player he has been. That doesn't mean he won't meet those expectations, but there is good reason to believe that he won't.

All we can realistically can go on with either player is what they have shown lately and Hardy has shown he's a big-time DE. That's what we should expect to see.

 

[dallasdave]

Well here ya go. Rant away.

Well said, stay thirsty my friend.

 

[dallasdave]

Is it okay if we speculate that he may be better than what was there last year?

Maybe just a tad better than Selvie and Spencer.

 

[dallasdave]

I find this ironic coming from a guy whose signature is Darren McFadden...

That's a good one.

 

[TrailBlazer]

before annointing him as the greatest offseason acquisition and most dangerous pass-rusher in Dallas. He should easily be an upgrade over the current lot and likely (hopefully) will be a force to be reckoned with. But I think it's necessary for all to expect him to show and prove first- especially given his circumstances. Not to mention he's only be great for 2 seasons- we're not talking Demarcus Ware, here... or even Trent Cole, as of yet. Would hate to see another Marcellus Wiley-ish let down. I don't think that'll be the case, but I'm waiting to see it before I get all rah-rah about the guy. At this point, he needs this team as much as this team needs his potential (if not more).

He's not a rookie. He's proven what he can do. Film don't lie. He's in wares league as far as sack totals/yr. I'm talking ware in his prime.

 

[xwalker]

before annointing him as the greatest offseason acquisition and most dangerous pass-rusher in Dallas. He should easily be an upgrade over the current lot and likely (hopefully) will be a force to be reckoned with. But I think it's necessary for all to expect him to show and prove first- especially given his circumstances. Not to mention he's only be great for 2 seasons- we're not talking Demarcus Ware, here... or even Trent Cole, as of yet. Would hate to see another Marcellus Wiley-ish let down. I don't think that'll be the case, but I'm waiting to see it before I get all rah-rah about the guy. At this point, he needs this team as much as this team needs his potential (if not more).

At worst case he is a significant upgrade over anything they had in 2015. At best case he is the #1 DE (4-3) in the entire league.

He is a proven veteran that is a top 3 DE already. He is coming to a defense that is based on pass rushing as a priority. It's not as if he is coming to a read-and-react defense.

Marcellus Wiley started 16 games and had only 3 sacks the year before he came to the Cowboys. He was 30 the year he played for the Cowboys.

 

[Risen Star]

I think the point is that Hardy is proven as a player. He had more than 10 sacks in each of his past two full seasons and had a sack in his only game last year. His play was on the rise instead of decline, and he's only 26, which should mean several more productive years before the decline hits.

Those are reasons to be excited about his playing ability. It doesn't mean he'll meet those expectations, but there is good reason to believe that he will.

It's the opposite of the player in your sig. There is absolutely no reason to get excited about Darren McFadden because the past three seasons, his play has declined. Those expecting a back whose averaged 3.3, 3.3 and 3.4 yards per carry the past three seasons to be the answer at running back are not being realistic. They are basing it on the player they saw he could be in college or maybe even a few years ago in Oakland instead of the player he has been. That doesn't mean he won't meet those expectations, but there is good reason to believe that he won't.

All we can realistically can go on with either player is what they have shown lately and Hardy has shown he's a big-time DE. That's what we should expect to see.

Nope. Let's hold off on Hardy.

In the meantime, let's have a sig party on Darren McFadden.

 

[jazzcat22]

I'm going out on a limb here...but it is a pretty sturdy limb...Hardy will replace Watt as the favorite for DPOY favorite. Though Watt will get the biased votes.

Oh yeah, the anointing oil valve is on full flow.....

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If I understand this correctly, as fans, we are not allowed to be excited for adding a young pro bowl player to an area that is our biggest weakness on a team friendly contract?

What's the point then?

 

[Spectre]

Not sure why the OP is catching heat. We have a thread asking who one would keep after this season between Hardy and Dez and it seems most are picking Hardy. And yet people think the OP is pointing out the obvious when he says that we shouldn't be anointing this guy?

I have great hopes for Hardy, but I do find it puzzling that he's already leapfrogged Dez in a lot of people's minds in terms of his value to this team.

Somebody gets it.

There's also a thread along the same lines regarding Williams and Hardy. The guy hasn't played a single down for us yet. (lol)

 

[Spectre]

No where in my sig does it say that Darren McFadden is good. Nor does it say he ever will be. It's an optimistic push from me to he to take this opportunity and show the world it was the Raider black holding him back!
I'm certainly not following his twitter or instagram feed, entertaining the thought of keeping him over Dez next year, or jumping to the conclusion that he will do anything of value for us this upcoming season... but at least he's NOT collecting a fat check, being suspended/caught up in a shady domestic violence dispute...

 

[CyberB0b]

before annointing him as the greatest offseason acquisition and most dangerous pass-rusher in Dallas.

He would be the most dangerous pass rusher in Dallas if he were missing an arm.

 

[gimmesix]

Somebody gets it.
Would like this post 10 times if I could.
There's also a thread along the same lines regarding Williams and Hardy. The guy hasn't played a single down for us yet. (lol)

Let me ask you this: Are you expecting a sudden fall-off in Dez's production. Are you expecting him to not produce after showing the last few years that he's a legitimate receiver?

You want to use the fact that Hardy hasn't played a single down for us yet against him, but you're ignoring the fact that he's a proven talent. This would be like getting Dez in free agency and not being excited about it because he "hasn't played a single down for us yet."

Either player could burst our bubble, but there's no reason based on their play to expect that to happen. I'll equate this to the Simeon Rice signing by Tampa Bay after he had established his ability in Arizona. He posted 11 sacks his first year with the Bucs (in a similar system to what we use), followed by two 15-sack seasons. There was no reason for Bucs fans not to expect that.

Julius Peppers, when he signed with Chicago, was similar to that (except a little longer in tooth). He posted eight sacks under Marinelli the first year, followed by back-to-back 11-plus years.

These are the type of players who should be expected by fans to make that kind of difference.

 

[gimmesix]

No where in my sig does it say that Darren McFadden is good. Nor does it say he ever will be. It's an optimistic push from me to he to take this opportunity and show the world it was the Raider black holding him back!
I'm certainly not following his twitter or instagram feed, entertaining the thought of keeping him over Dez next year, or jumping to the conclusion that he will do anything of value for us this upcoming season... but at least he's NOT collecting a fat check, being suspended/caught up in a shady domestic violence dispute...

I think the point on Dez vs. Hardy would be there were 21 1,000-yard receivers in the NFL last year, but only three players with more than 14.5 sacks. If Hardy does what he did his last full season in Carolina, he would be of more value to Dallas both because of the importance of the position he plays and his comparative numbers to others who play his position.

But I don't know since I haven't read all the thoughts on keeping him over Dez. I'm just saying there would be some valid reasons for it if he does what he's capable of doing.

Personally, if they both do what they are supposed to, I'm finding a way to keep both.

 

[Apollo Creed]

***** don't kill my my vibe...

 

[Mansta54]

You wait, I don't need to cause I've seen him play.

 

[DFWJC]

tough crowd

 

[Jenky]

I honestly expect an improved pass rush overall, but not the same production (sacks) for Hardy after a 1 year hiatus. I would be pleasantly surprised if he got 15 sacks again.

 

[Sportsbabe]

He would be the most dangerous pass rusher in Dallas if he were missing an arm.

 

[Sportsbabe]

I honestly expect an improved pass rush overall, but not the same production (sacks) for Hardy after a 1 year hiatus. I would be pleasantly surprised if he got 15 sacks again.

OMG, you mean to tell me he gets leeway for being on hiatus?!? Well I didn't think that was possible