How Did Romo Do It? Honestly.

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bigbadroy;1739455 said:
beat the eagles and Commanders atleast once this year and win a playoff game.

Ah. I'll buy that. I thought you were referring to a Super Bowl. Yes, I think winning a playoff game at some point in his career is pretty much a requirement at this point. Hell, in order to be remembered as highly as some of the other greats for the Cowboys, he's got to win a Super Bowl too.
 

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Most of you are making really good points, but I believe WG (in her 1st post) and Nav22 nailed the key point. He was allowed to sit and learn and develop. If he had been thrown out there as a starter in his 1st year he would have been a laughing stock and probably be out of the league by now.

If he had started in his second year, I think he would have lost the starting job to whatever FA vet we would have brought in under than scenario and maybe would still be a 2nd stringer or 3rd QB somewhere. He was that raw.

Saying that, if he had managed to hand on to 2nd stringer, then by now I think he would be either starting or threatening to start based on his hard work, dedication and progress. Just my opinion, of course.
 

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zrinkill;1739456 said:
Knowing your history, you probably gave up on him when his first pass was intercepted.
go dig through some more threads looking for peoples past posts. i see you did it for hog.
 

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bigbadroy;1739461 said:
go dig through some more threads looking for peoples past posts. i see you did it for hog. LOSER!

Sorry if you are ashamed of your idiotic comments.
 

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Tony didn't have the big time pressure of playing right away that early round drafted QB's have. He had the luxury of sitting and preparing and learning from professionals like Vinny Testaverde. He also had that underdog mentality and a serious chip on his shoulder.
 

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THEHEREAFTER;1739467 said:
Tony didn't have the big time pressure of playing right away that early round drafted QB's have. He had the luxury of sitting and preparing and learning from professionals like Vinny Testaverde.

Yup ...... the kid took advantage of the knowledge of the guys in front of him.

Not many young people do that these days.
 

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Saw HogsareLegends and since he wasn't nasty and seemed genuinely interested, I decided to post my point of view cause I've been thinking for some time about how Romo able to develop to the point he has. Hope it helps.

1. Didn't start playing football till older then most kids so no track record for larger schools to see so no football scholarship at major school.
2. Natural athlete who can successful play many sports including basketball, golf, etc. Family who saw his athleticism and encouraged him to work at it.
3. Lucky enough to attend East Illinois University where he attracted the attention of Broncos HC Shanahan & former Giant/Cowboys OC Sean Payton. 4. Invited to combine where he scored well on both speed/strength of ball throw and was off the chart on the intelligence test.
5. Was projected to be drafted on 2nd day but his size (6-2 1/2), lack of speed & gunslinger reputation caused teams not to draft him. However, about 20 teams supposedly interested in signing in as an undrafted FA including Bills, Broncos, Cowboys, Cardinals, etc.
6. Despite fact Cowboys only offered him $10,000 & Shanahan himself at our TC confirmed he very much wanted Romo and offered him $20,000, Romo decided on Cowboys cause he thought he'd have a chance in Dallas due to our unstable QB. Believe Sean Payton's presence (left Giant job to become Dallas OC) was big factor cause Payton had been bragging about Romo for at least 1-2 years while with the Giants.
7. Parcells credentials give him authority to keep whoever he wanted and he saw something in Romo. Payton & David Lee went about developing Romo and he was essentially kept under wraps and allowed to develop w/o media scrutiny and fans demand that he play. By Romo's own admission he stunk in 03. Also Romo credits Vinny Testeverde a lot for his mentoring. Testeverde helped him see how to study film, keep meticulous notes on certain things he saw, importance of physical conditioning for a QB beyond what most teams stress, etc.
8. Romo succeeding cause he's very much an athlete, not just a big QB with an arm. He's an unbelievably hard worker in the gym/film room/paid attention to what going on around him and learned from every QB who came across including buying Peyton Manning & Belicheat books.
9. Romo had progressed to the point where in 2005 Sean Payton wanted him to become the Cowboys starter. Payton did not want Bledsoe cause he lacked some of Romo's tangibles including pocket mobility, etc. When Payton become NO HC, he offered 3rd rounder for Romo but Jerry smart enough (probably with Parcells staring over his shoulder) to turn that down.
10. The NFL has an absolutely horrible record of drafting QBs. During Romo PC signing, Jerry Jones mentioned success rate of drafting QBs was about 50%. Try 33%. Yes it's that bad. Their criteria is totally out of whack. They want QBs of certain height -- 6-3 - 6-6. Romo was too short at 6-2 1/2. BTW: Favre is 6-2. Maybe he should have to give back the records he rewriting. Romo considered to slow a runner. QBs don't need to run 40 yards; they need mobility in the pocket and ability pick up first down when necessary.
11. If you have time, go back to the 2002 draft and pull together a list of QBs drafted from 2002 through 2005. You will be stunned to see how many QBs (including first rounders) are busts -- either benched or no longer with team. I think it was something like 9 out of 27 still in NFL. BTW: Only Carson Palmer who was one of top picks in 2003 draft is still valued at that spot and independent analysis (sorry can't recall which one but you probably will come across it) puts Romo right after Palmer if the NFL knew then when they know now.
12. Want to emphasize the importance of giving time for young QBs (like Romo to sit and learn). As an undrafted FA, he cheap enough for Cowboys to keep around and patiently develop. No pressure on Parcells to deliver him to the lions (so to speak) to save his job.
Don't know enough about Campbell, but it possible he just needs more time on the bench to see the field clearer. Unfortunately in this day and age first rounders don't get that time.
13. Lots of skill, hard work, luck and God given talents helped make Romo. He might not be 6-4, but God gave him mobility, quick release, smarts and incredible accuracy. His family did much of the rest along with coaches who believed in him.
14. Finally, Romo's personality. He's a natural leader. Don't have to pound his chest, yell and scream that it's his team, or even demand their attention in the huddle. Understand several well-regarded Cowboy players (including some vets) went to Parcells a few games into the 2006 & asked him to consider replacing Bledsoe with Romo. Many of those players had worked on offense with Romo & on defense against him and had seen him do things in practice that stunned them. How much that finally influenced Parcells decision we'll will never know. BTW: A few weeks ago one of the Dalls media wrote an article that essentially said that, despite all of Romo's talent, it was his personality that makes him invaluable and drives this team.
 

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sago1;1739528 said:
Saw HogsareLegends and since he wasn't nasty and seemed genuinely interested, I decided to post my point of view cause I've been thinking for some time about how Romo able to develop to the point he has. Hope it helps.

1. Didn't start playing football till older then most kids so no track record for larger schools to see so no football scholarship at major school.
2. Natural athlete who can successful play many sports including basketball, golf, etc. Family who saw his athleticism and encouraged him to work at it.
3. Lucky enough to attend East Illinois University where he attracted the attention of Broncos HC Shanahan & former Giant/Cowboys OC Sean Payton. 4. Invited to combine where he scored well on both speed/strength of ball throw and was off the chart on the intelligence test.
5. Was projected to be drafted on 2nd day but his size (6-2 1/2), lack of speed & gunslinger reputation caused teams not to draft him. However, about 20 teams supposedly interested in signing in as an undrafted FA including Bills, Broncos, Cowboys, Cardinals, etc.
6. Despite fact Cowboys only offered him $10,000 & Shanahan himself at our TC confirmed he very much wanted Romo and offered him $20,000, Romo decided on Cowboys cause he thought he'd have a chance in Dallas due to our unstable QB. Believe Sean Payton's presence (left Giant job to become Dallas OC) was big factor cause Payton had been bragging about Romo for at least 1-2 years while with the Giants.
7. Parcells credentials give him authority to keep whoever he wanted and he saw something in Romo. Payton & David Lee went about developing Romo and he was essentially kept under wraps and allowed to develop w/o media scrutiny and fans demand that he play. By Romo's own admission he stunk in 03. Also Romo credits Vinny Testeverde a lot for his mentoring. Testeverde helped him see how to study film, keep meticulous notes on certain things he saw, importance of physical conditioning for a QB beyond what most teams stress, etc.
8. Romo succeeding cause he's very much an athlete, not just a big QB with an arm. He's an unbelievably hard worker in the gym/film room/paid attention to what going on around him and learned from every QB who came across including buying Peyton Manning & Belicheat books.
9. Romo had progressed to the point where in 2005 Sean Payton wanted him to become the Cowboys starter. Payton did not want Bledsoe cause he lacked some of Romo's tangibles including pocket mobility, etc. When Payton become NO HC, he offered 3rd rounder for Romo but Jerry smart enough (probably with Parcells staring over his shoulder) to turn that down.
10. The NFL has an absolutely horrible record of drafting QBs. During Romo PC signing, Jerry Jones mentioned success rate of drafting QBs was about 50%. Try 33%. Yes it's that bad. Their criteria is totally out of whack. They want QBs of certain height -- 6-3 - 6-6. Romo was too short at 6-2 1/2. BTW: Favre is 6-2. Maybe he should have to give back the records he rewriting. Romo considered to slow a runner. QBs don't need to run 40 yards; they need mobility in the pocket and ability pick up first down when necessary.
11. If you have time, go back to the 2002 draft and pull together a list of QBs drafted from 2002 through 2005. You will be stunned to see how many QBs (including first rounders) are busts -- either benched or no longer with team. I think it was something like 9 out of 27 still in NFL. BTW: Only Carson Palmer who was one of top picks in 2003 draft is still valued at that spot and independent analysis (sorry can't recall which one but you probably will come across it) puts Romo right after Palmer if the NFL knew then when they know now.
12. Want to emphasize the importance of giving time for young QBs (like Romo to sit and learn). As an undrafted FA, he cheap enough for Cowboys to keep around and patiently develop. No pressure on Parcells to deliver him to the lions (so to speak) to save his job.
Don't know enough about Campbell, but it possible he just needs more time on the bench to see the field clearer. Unfortunately in this day and age first rounders don't get that time.
13. Lots of skill, hard work, luck and God given talents helped make Romo. He might not be 6-4, but God gave him mobility, quick release, smarts and incredible accuracy. His family did much of the rest along with coaches who believed in him.
14. Finally, Romo's personality. He's a natural leader. Don't have to pound his chest, yell and scream that it's his team, or even demand their attention in the huddle. Understand several well-regarded Cowboy players (including some vets) went to Parcells a few games into the 2006 & asked him to consider replacing Bledsoe with Romo. Many of those players had worked on offense with Romo & on defense against him and had seen him do things in practice that stunned them. How much that finally influenced Parcells decision we'll will never know. BTW: A few weeks ago one of the Dalls media wrote an article that essentially said that, despite all of Romo's talent, it was his personality that makes him invaluable and drives this team.
 

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HogsRLegends;1739386 said:
I give up. I want to say bad things about the guy, but I can't in good conscience. Nothing is more frustrating then admitting this as an enemy fan.


I feel the same darn way about Brian Dawkins.
 

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THEHEREAFTER;1739407 said:
Good question until you threw Jason Campbell into the mix. Draft status obviously doesn't mean a whole lot especially at the QB position. There are so many intangibles involved incluing heart, preparation and intelligence. At this point, it doesn't look like JC is ready for a complex NFL passing system.

His intangibles are the answer.

Most of the people on this thread telling you why Romo rose to the top have been as surprised as you are because they didn't recognize early the intangible attributes he possesses that accompany his underlying physical and mental prowess.

It is the "IT" factor that separates the merely good ones from the great ones. He has it. Not many others do. Staubach had it. Favre has it. I doubt that Jason Campbell has it.

But that is why Romo was able to "do it," as you say: because he has that undefinable factor that the great ones have.

Something may happen to keep him from achieving all that he can achieve, but, if not, his star will only gain luster.

:)
 

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Good post Sago1.

About the scouting system, I will never have faith in scouts after the heated pre-draft debate between Manning and Leaf in 1998.
 

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sago1;1739528 said:
Saw HogsareLegends and since he wasn't nasty and seemed genuinely interested, I decided to post my point of view cause I've been thinking for some time about how Romo able to develop to the point he has. Hope it helps.

1. Didn't start playing football till older then most kids so no track record for larger schools to see so no football scholarship at major school.
2. Natural athlete who can successful play many sports including basketball, golf, etc. Family who saw his athleticism and encouraged him to work at it.
3. Lucky enough to attend East Illinois University where he attracted the attention of Broncos HC Shanahan & former Giant/Cowboys OC Sean Payton. 4. Invited to combine where he scored well on both speed/strength of ball throw and was off the chart on the intelligence test.
5. Was projected to be drafted on 2nd day but his size (6-2 1/2), lack of speed & gunslinger reputation caused teams not to draft him. However, about 20 teams supposedly interested in signing in as an undrafted FA including Bills, Broncos, Cowboys, Cardinals, etc.
6. Despite fact Cowboys only offered him $10,000 & Shanahan himself at our TC confirmed he very much wanted Romo and offered him $20,000, Romo decided on Cowboys cause he thought he'd have a chance in Dallas due to our unstable QB. Believe Sean Payton's presence (left Giant job to become Dallas OC) was big factor cause Payton had been bragging about Romo for at least 1-2 years while with the Giants.
7. Parcells credentials give him authority to keep whoever he wanted and he saw something in Romo. Payton & David Lee went about developing Romo and he was essentially kept under wraps and allowed to develop w/o media scrutiny and fans demand that he play. By Romo's own admission he stunk in 03. Also Romo credits Vinny Testeverde a lot for his mentoring. Testeverde helped him see how to study film, keep meticulous notes on certain things he saw, importance of physical conditioning for a QB beyond what most teams stress, etc.
8. Romo succeeding cause he's very much an athlete, not just a big QB with an arm. He's an unbelievably hard worker in the gym/film room/paid attention to what going on around him and learned from every QB who came across including buying Peyton Manning & Belicheat books.
9. Romo had progressed to the point where in 2005 Sean Payton wanted him to become the Cowboys starter. Payton did not want Bledsoe cause he lacked some of Romo's tangibles including pocket mobility, etc. When Payton become NO HC, he offered 3rd rounder for Romo but Jerry smart enough (probably with Parcells staring over his shoulder) to turn that down.
10. The NFL has an absolutely horrible record of drafting QBs. During Romo PC signing, Jerry Jones mentioned success rate of drafting QBs was about 50%. Try 33%. Yes it's that bad. Their criteria is totally out of whack. They want QBs of certain height -- 6-3 - 6-6. Romo was too short at 6-2 1/2. BTW: Favre is 6-2. Maybe he should have to give back the records he rewriting. Romo considered to slow a runner. QBs don't need to run 40 yards; they need mobility in the pocket and ability pick up first down when necessary.
11. If you have time, go back to the 2002 draft and pull together a list of QBs drafted from 2002 through 2005. You will be stunned to see how many QBs (including first rounders) are busts -- either benched or no longer with team. I think it was something like 9 out of 27 still in NFL. BTW: Only Carson Palmer who was one of top picks in 2003 draft is still valued at that spot and independent analysis (sorry can't recall which one but you probably will come across it) puts Romo right after Palmer if the NFL knew then when they know now.
12. Want to emphasize the importance of giving time for young QBs (like Romo to sit and learn). As an undrafted FA, he cheap enough for Cowboys to keep around and patiently develop. No pressure on Parcells to deliver him to the lions (so to speak) to save his job.
Don't know enough about Campbell, but it possible he just needs more time on the bench to see the field clearer. Unfortunately in this day and age first rounders don't get that time.
13. Lots of skill, hard work, luck and God given talents helped make Romo. He might not be 6-4, but God gave him mobility, quick release, smarts and incredible accuracy. His family did much of the rest along with coaches who believed in him.
14. Finally, Romo's personality. He's a natural leader. Don't have to pound his chest, yell and scream that it's his team, or even demand their attention in the huddle. Understand several well-regarded Cowboy players (including some vets) went to Parcells a few games into the 2006 & asked him to consider replacing Bledsoe with Romo. Many of those players had worked on offense with Romo & on defense against him and had seen him do things in practice that stunned them. How much that finally influenced Parcells decision we'll will never know. BTW: A few weeks ago one of the Dalls media wrote an article that essentially said that, despite all of Romo's talent, it was his personality that makes him invaluable and drives this team.

Good post. This pretty much sums it up!
 

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BehindEnemyLinez;1739436 said:
Don't the Skins already use this logic in their front office (if they even have one)?!! After all, they trade away all their picks every year, anyway (too bad they have nothing to show for it) :suxskins: !

What do you mean they have nothing to show for it!

You dont know what you're talking about!

I'll have you know that the Skins have managed to have the single largest dollar amount ($116 million) allocated for 2008.:laugh2:

That's right. That team you saw play in NE this past weekend. Many players on it are under contract for 2008 and beyond.:laugh1:
 

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Obviously, nobody here can really answer this question. However, I look at it like he just understands QB'ing and has the natural ability to throw the ball with velocity and accuracy. Plus, he's got the intangibles that really help a QB like leadership, competitiveness, he loves the game and he's charismatic.

All of those things add up to a dynamite QB. Really, I can't put it anymore clearly than that. It's a knack. Yes, he has that overused word, moxie.

He didn't play high school football enough to get much recruiting. However, I think he would have been great no matter which college he went to. He won the Walter Peyton award in college, which was like the Heisman for his division and the highest award he could have achieved at E. Illinois. So he was wildly successful there too... just like he is in Dallas. He threw for gobs of TD's there and really, he would have been dynamite wherever he played.

It just worked out that he hadn't played enough in HS to go to a Michigan or Ohio State or a USC. Had he gone there, he likely would have won the Heisman and become the first pick overall. Just lucky for us that he didn't and we got him for nothing. :)

Good God... how lucky was that? I still can't get over it. Of course we had to go through Quincy to get lucky... so don't feel too bad about Campbell... he might just be someone you had to go through to get a real QB.
 

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A lot of good points in this thread. Thought I'd add a couple that might be related to his golf background.

  • Romo is a battler. When things get tough, he keeps looking for a way to win.
  • He's not scared of making mistakes. If you make a mistake, you might be able to make up for it the next time you get a chance. Incidentally, I think putting a young QB in the game and keeping him on the proverbial leash so he won't make mistakes might just beat any playmaking ability out of him, if it was ever there.
  • He makes the good miss. Romo's far from perfect, but his misses are often good enough that his teammates can still make the play. He can often make these good misses despite being off balance or under pressure. This is one area where I prefer Romo over Aikman.
 

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kmd24;1739778 said:
A lot of good points in this thread. Thought I'd add a couple that might be related to his golf background.

  • Romo is a battler. When things get tough, he keeps looking for a way to win.
  • He's not scared of making mistakes. If you make a mistake, you might be able to make up for it the next time you get a chance. Incidentally, I think putting a young QB in the game and keeping him on the proverbial leash so he won't make mistakes might just beat any playmaking ability out of him, if it was ever there.
  • He makes the good miss. Romo's far from perfect, but his misses are often good enough that his teammates can still make the play. He can often make these good misses despite being off balance or under pressure. This is one area where I prefer Romo over Aikman.

I agree and have said pretty much the same thing. You make a mistake get up, dust yourself off and move on to the next. Don't be afraid to make plays because you are worried you could make a mistake
 
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