How did Romo lovers feel about Romo starting that meaningless game in preseason 2016?

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The difference is that Romo was responsible for winning without great talent around him. Dak wins because of the talent he has been surrounded with. At one time or another , Dak has had some of the best oline, RB , WRs, etc , in the league. Romo didn’t have that luxury. He had Phil Costa and WR Roy Williams to overcome.


We can literally go position by position if you like....again you guys are the reason there is this dumb comparison..Romo and Dak have had talent the only change is JG is gone and thank god, lets hope MM can change it for Dak. But again we can go position by position as I show you they both had talent and failed with JG...
 

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The difference is that Romo was responsible for winning without great talent around him. Dak wins because of the talent he has been surrounded with. At one time or another , Dak has had some of the best oline, RB , WRs, etc , in the league. Romo didn’t have that luxury. He had Phil Costa and WR Roy Williams to overcome.

What exactly did Romo win?

And that's a myth. You guys bring up that stretch where Romo did have a poor line when he had guys like Makenzie Bernadeau and Nate Livings starting for him. They went bargain shopping for the offensive line. I will say that for sure was a tough for him but that stretch wasn't for his whole career like you guys are making it seem. That was a few year stretch. Outside of that he had the Gurode, Flozell, Davis, etc. era and he had the era of Tyron, Fredericks, etc.

And to even bring up Roy Williams is a joke. Before he got to Dallas he was a Pro Bowler and a 1st rounder so let's not act like he was Kevin Ogletree.

Let's also don't act like he didn't play with Dez in his prime and that Terrell Owens guy who is a Hall of Fame and one of the best receivers of all time. But sure...bring up Roy Williams...
 

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We can literally go position by position if you like....again you guys are the reason there is this dumb comparison..Romo and Dak have had talent the only change is JG is gone and thank god, lets hope MM can change it for Dak. But again we can go position by position as I show you they both had talent and failed with JG...
Man I really don't get these people. I guarantee you if you go back to that era these same fans thought those Romo teams had talent lol.....now its he was asked to win with Phil Costa lol.
 

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Does anyone on this website actually watch the cowboys and actually remember anything that has happened?

Romo played against miami the week before. He played two series. In the second series he took them right down the field and threw a dart to Dwayne Harris for a TD. Then they took him out because that was all the work the starters needed.

They played him against seattle because they wanted the offense including zeke to be out there together and play a series or two together. Doug Free blew his damn block and Romo did not account for a free rusher coming around from the other side of the field and having a free run at him, then hitting him awkwardly and injuring him in a freak play. Just like Chris Gronkowski who couldn't block one guy right in front of him in 2010 got Romo injured so did free in seattle.

But hey, those are times when the players inadvertently turned their back on him. While he was rehabbing and working to get back they turned their back on him on purpose. From the top of the organization to the bottom. Many of them are still doing it. Dez Bryant talks poorly about Romo regularly on twitter, he just did it again the other day with another odd tweet concerning Tony. Good thing they found the anti romo as the media called dak in 2016. Missing the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years has ended that nonsense and they are about to make it 4 out of 5.

Anyway for everyone who doesn't want guys to play in the preseason you have no right to complain in september when the team looks sluggish or out of synch on offense.

Dez does this while Dak threw him under the bus and the whole organization scape-goated him for the “anti-Romo” sucking…. The irony…
 

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How did you feel about Romo starting that meaningless game in preseason 2016? Why do you think Jones and McCarthy and the staff are much more reluctant to start Dak in the preseason now than they were Romo who is known more for injuries?

I know some Romo guys hates Dak and wasn't ready for the TR era to end when Dak abruptly ended it.

Do you think it was stupid to start Romo in that game? Maybe if not, he might still be playing now, or at least be playing for 3 more years.

Every QB in the league needs a few preseason reps. Dak starting game 1 from a cold start is not ideal. Injuries can happen in practice too and as is evidenced by Daks current injury. Not playing doesn't make him safer.
 

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Same dudes that say we don’t like Dak because of you know how he looks, hate Romo, while leveraging the excuses Romo had for their hero, Dak…. I wonder why?

Even Dez and all Dak’s boys and family were calling out the FO on these grounds, while Dez was using Romo’s contract as a basis of comparison..

We too can play that game.
 

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Gurode, Columbo and every other guy given to Romo were journeymen busts, outside Tyron Smith, who replaced Flozell, Smith was the only pick that Jerry went outside BPA, because of Adams leaving. Jerry knew he needed to protect Romo’s blind-side, especially since when Adam’s got injured in 2005 without Romo, the OL, including guys like Gurode and Columbo gave up like 40 sacks in 10 games.
Leonard Davis was a BUST for years in Arizona. Then you had guys like Montrae Holland. Marco Rivera was brought in 2006 and he had a shot back. Acting like Romo had a good line, while the majority of the starters outside Davis, who was a bust in Arizona, were here playing before Romo even got here is just another example of ridiculous comparisons Dak-stabs try and leverage to prop up their “hero”.

This idea that OL was good is a complete crock. Romo made that OL look better than it was and in fact, the OL was considered the weakest link the year before 2007, Romo starting.

Further, Romo played the majority of his career behind a man blocking scheme. Garrett was again completely clueless and often found employing multiple TE sets to shore up protection.

It was the Cowboys lucking into Callahan that changed the schemes to zone blocking and taking the OL to the next level. Whatever Dak has played under was under this continuity, plus he get to play with every single linemen on the level of Smith, Frederick, Martin and now Collins playing multiple years together. And the only reason the Cowboys went Fredrick is because of Romo and Callahan, otherwise the FO had Sharif Floyd on the board and Garrett and Stephen were completely ignorant when Jerry selected Frederick. The chaos in the draft room is well known and it was real, unlike the over/blown saga about Manziel.

Further, pro bowl selections are essentially meaningless anyways, since a third of the votes are did by fans. They are not all-pro votes and anytime the Cowboys are a playoff team they pretty much post more pro bowlers than other teams, even if their players are mediocre.

Further, Romo win every game on the Road in 2014, and lost to the indefeated Packers at home in Lambeau in sub-zero degree temperatures, while Dak’s numbers including 2016 are propped up at home, while he completely choked away games on the road where he doesn’t have his speedy WRs running right by their DBs in man coverage on turf.

That’s why Dak couldn’t work with Dez.

Further, Dak owes his success in 2016 to Linehan and schematics, as is evidenced by Beasley, complemented by the RG on which Zeke was averaging over 5 YPC on first form. Because when teams took away Beasley the very next year, Dak in all his warts showed his glory, especially when Zeke was suspended. He couldn’t even score double digits against any team with a winning record during that 6 game stretch and he floundered around against the NFL jokes of the Commanders, Giants Ahs Raiders, getting outplayed by Carr who basically outplayed Dak and the only reason the sorry a raiders lost is Carr reached too early for the pylon.
 
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Further, Parcells comments about particular QBs being too risky are over-blown nonsense. Anybody familiar with Parcells knew how conservative he was as a HC, often to his own detriment. Parcells brings in his own players with multiple years experience and starts them, which explained guys like Bledsoe, Testaverde, Glenn and Ferguson. This idea he wanted to start Romo, but was waiting until he was ready was a crock. He was doing everything in his power to keep Bledsoe in, but Bledsoe threw some ridiculous INTs and Parcells, with all eyes on him, and the way Romo had established himself, he couldn’t justify keeping Bledsoe in anymore. And you could see this in Parcells face in the Panthers game when all his ex Giants players came down to support him on the sideline. They all thought the season was done.

Facts are Parcells defense, let alone offense, couldn’t even stop a basic screen when Payton came to town and even Kitna was out there picking on Bradie James in pass coverage. The game passed him by on a coaching level by the time he was done here. Parcells basically used TO as a possession WR and outside the numbers, almost similar to how Garrett used him. Schematically, neither coach used TO how he should have been, particular since he does have quick burst out the gate, but off of a motion, he can’t be guarded.

Parcells didn’t even have an offensive game plan to attack Seattle’s back up corners and it was Romo in the fourth that put the team on his back to win.

Plus, Seattle gave them a ball that wasn’t even worked in supposedly on the FG.
 
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Like I said, Garrett is already being trashed in NY as regards his play calling as an OC. This was Tony Romo all over again, but without the elite QB to mask all the warts of the OC. And when the time was ripe for Tony, Jerry pulled the rug from underneath him.

Everybody and their mother, whether on this forum or in the Dallas media, when Romo was QB, was defending this inept HC/OC. The same people blaming Garrett now are pretty much the same people using the excuse of Garrett for Dak, even though Jerry banished Garrett completely from play calling in 2014 and openly stated to the media he have an ambiguous role and not want him anywhere near the offense.

The majority of this forum was actually Garrett apologists and they even scape goated Romo and if they were Romo fans, they blamed the defense exclusively. There were very few with the foresight to see Garrett’s offense was a joke. They were too busy calling this guy the next Landry and we often heard the excuses that Landry started off as HC with horrible records, while he built the team and Garrett is doing the same. Guys on this forum we’re telling us how Garrett applying a dress code and not starting Barber for not wearing a tie was a sign of his greatness and changing the culture, only to then tell us how Garrett is a man of the people, when there was no dress code being applied.

Now these dudes are acting like they always thought Garrett was a problem.

Sometime they blamed Romo for “checking out” of run plays, because Garrett supposedly wanted to run. They made guys like TO, whose mouth always gets him in trouble making it easier for him to be the bad guy, the scape goat. Dez is following the same path as TO as far as mouth is concerned, but not anywhere near as elite as far as skills. Even TO with his speed could produce at an older age, but since Dez has no real speed, he is no longer playing. Further, even Jerry Jones leveraged multiple draft picks to get Roy Williams to help out his adopted son, Garrett.

Further, the only reason Dak had the role is because of GARRETT. That’s why Garrett stopped chasing around and following Romo in the off-season after 2016. It was Romo that finally took the power away from Garrett in 2014.

Jerry’s love of Garrett probably also explains, if the rumors are true, why Garrett also was supposedly trying to beg Jerry to keep his HC job when he was finally let go. It’s comical to me when people say Jerry kept interfering with Garrett when guys like Dooley and Houck were all Garrett staff. Garrett even brought Dooley with him to the Giants along with Columbo, who was fired. Unlike Garrett though, Columbo doesn’t have the family ties to the Mara family apparently. How did Jerry force these guys on Garrett? That was the other excused we heard for Garrett, that Jerry kept interfering with Garrett, when in reality, Garrett was one of the few Jerry did everything in his power to try and make succeed and give credit to. Because that decision in the eyes of Jerry would have ‘vindicated’ him regarding the “ghost of Jimmy Johnson”.




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And BTW, the reason we went Marinelli is because of the TOs he produced in Chicago. Kiffen brought his loyal protege here.

And that year, Garrett blamed the poor performance of his offense on the lack of TOs of Rob Ryan’s defense, not giving his offense extra chances.

So even Garrett apologist defended him, let alone Romo fans, on the grounds of defense and the reason we had Kiffen, who was a Lacewell guy, and Marinelli is because of Garrett.

Of course the media never asked Garrett how the defense was to blame for his 3 and outs and high TO offense that was the result of all this pressure on Romo to make something happen that put the pressure on OUR defense, particularly Wade’s the year he got fired.

So Jerry gave Garrett this incredible leash and Romo’s career was wasted because of this guy.

But hey, at least the Giants have a better defense than the Cowboys during Garrett..
 

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Dez does this while Dak threw him under the bus and the whole organization scape-goated him for the “anti-Romo” sucking…. The irony…

Yep I will never understand it. It seems to be jealousy or something but even that I don't get. Romo never said a bad word about anyone (Even Owens) and he didn't get a big sendoff from the team (like Witten did)_(And Ware Didnt it either)

so I am not sure why he constantly says these these things towards Romo. I mean I simply do not care anymore but it is still very odd when Romo and Dez were together they were so successful. Dez's career ended essentially after the foot injury in 15 and Dak taking over in 16.

Anyway, that is how it went and still does in these parts. I heard Mike Bascik on the fan this morning saying Romo was never really that good and used being the cowboys qb to become famous and make money. Pretty ridiculous take since the only things he ever sold when he was playing were local AT&T ads in 07 and then Directv national ads in 14. I think the sketchers ads were in 15 but may have been after his career was over like the corona ads. Bascik specifically said Romo used his celebrity because he played in Dallas to do things like sell Corona beer. So Absurd. Meanwhile.......
 
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