News: How did Vernon Davis get so open?

[CCBoy]

I don't know here, I'm more concerned with the usual 8-10 yard completions.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

This team has done this malfunction for how many years now?

Sometimes its the culture.

I don't know if it's the culture as much as it is the philosophy.

We love to go cheap and 'get by' with the safety position so we can overspend on 'cover corners.'

We have yet to get the concept that we are terrible at covering TE's which is important in today's NFL because TE's are such great passing threats.





YR

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Uhhh I dont think there is any "If" involved

Hard for me to put this kids feet to the fire when we have our head coach saying this......

"Certainly, you want to be able to score touchdowns, so we didn't get it done right there," Garrett said. "Hopefully, we'll address that and get better when those opportunities come up in the future."


To me, he should be saying that we WILL Fix that or we will be starting other players.

 

[diehard2294]

I don't know if it's the culture as much as it is the philosophy.

We love to go cheap and 'get by' with the safety position so we can overspend on 'cover corners.'

We have yet to get the concept that we are terrible at covering TE's which is important in today's NFL because TE's are such great passing threats.





YR

And we have 2 corners who played bad on top of that..pretty scary future

 

[Tabascocat]

Hard for me to put this kids feet to the fire when we have our head coach saying this......

"Certainly, you want to be able to score touchdowns, so we didn't get it done right there," Garrett said. "Hopefully, we'll address that and get better when those opportunities come up in the future."


To me, he should be saying that we WILL Fix that or we will be starting other players.

He has to look at the tape first ABQ to see if they are able to address it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He has to look at the tape first ABQ to see if they are able to address it.

~Not sure if serious~

 

[Tabascocat]

~Not sure if serious~

How about now?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And we have 2 corners who played bad on top of that..pretty scary future

The entire secondary outside of Scandrick, needs to be overhauled. I thought Church looked pretty good yesterday and I'm not a Church fan. I'll have to see when the All-22 gets out. Still, I think you need some playmakers that are good at providing the last line of defense at safety...and I don't think Church has that playmaker ability in him.

The safety roles have changed over the past 10 years. You really can't have a true SS that plays SS responsibilities and a FS that just plays FS responsibilities. They have to play both roles at various times. They have to play in the box and the deep zone coverage. They have to cover TE's, RB's, WR's and help over the top. They have to blitz and fake blitzes. Lot more responsibilities and more skill sets required.

We just seem to act like none of that is going on in today's game.







YR

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Garrett's pre-season strategy didn't work. Sitting out players to avoid injury was the wrst thing he could of done, The secondary played very little in the pre-season. Guys like Wilcox need all the reps he can get, Mo didn't play, Carr had the family issue.

If I was Garrett Iwould sit Carr, Claiborne and Wilcox and put them only on special teams. The guys behind them can't be any worse tha these yahoos. At least they will put in a serious effort.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How about now?

Like Mudd. Maybe it's me.


LOL........

 

[diehard2294]

The entire secondary outside of Scandrick, needs to be overhauled. I thought Church looked pretty good yesterday and I'm not a Church fan. I'll have to see when the All-22 gets out. Still, I think you need some playmakers that are good at providing the last line of defense at safety...and I don't think Church has that playmaker ability in him.

The safety roles have changed over the past 10 years. You really can't have a true SS that plays SS responsibilities and a FS that just plays FS responsibilities. They have to play both roles at various times. They have to play in the box and the deep zone coverage. They have to cover TE's, RB's, WR's and help over the top. They have to blitz and fake blitzes. Lot more responsibilities and more skill sets required.

We just seem to act like none of that is going on in today's game.







YR

Add that onto needing DL help and Possibly LB and it gets more depressing.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I don't know if it's the culture as much as it is the philosophy.

We love to go cheap and 'get by' with the safety position so we can overspend on 'cover corners.'

We have yet to get the concept that we are terrible at covering TE's which is important in today's NFL because TE's are such great passing threats.





YR

And yet YR, pass defense is produced by pass rush. I think you'd agree here, but cannot speak for you.

However, we all on this board have to understand this is a new day in this league. They are tightening the restrictions of the defense as predicated by Seattle last year. Others have said this recently. I am not reinventing the wheel. I dismissed it, but there can be a case made teams are giving a wide berth to stay away from infractions.

I don't know.

But the culture here does not put a premium on pass rush and does on pass coverage. But there are even journeyman QB's in this league who will eat up a defense in the passing game if the rush doesn't harass them and change the timing of their pass attack.

So when you say philosophy and I say culture, we very well could be speaking about the same thing. A methodical approach to building a defense and its workings which believes corner backs are the focal point to the ignoring of other components.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Dysfunctional Soup

 

[CCBoy]

~Not sure if serious~

I had a coach give me an apology before the entire team after we were watching the game film...for a comment of a supposed lack of hustle in actual game time. I did my part of the play perfectly.

 

[CCBoy]

And yet YR, pass defense is produced by pass rush. I think you'd agree here, but cannot speak for you.

However, we all on this board have to understand this is a new day in this league. They are tightening the restrictions of the defense as predicated by Seattle last year. Others have said this recently. I am not reinventing the wheel. I dismissed it, but there can be a case made teams are giving a wide berth to stay away from infractions.

I don't know.

But the culture here does not put a premium on pass rush and does on pass coverage. But there are even journeyman QB's in this league who will eat up a defense in the passing game if the rush doesn't harass them and change the timing of their pass attack.

So when you say philosophy and I say culture, we very well could be speaking about the same thing. A methodical approach to building a defense and its workings which believes corner backs are the focal point to the ignoring of other components.

And additionally here, the San Francisco defenders were taking liberties that new rules have been implanted. Hitting a defenseless Dez Bryant when he couldn't make a catch...is one that officiating will have to catch up with as well.

Parts of the adjustment process going on right now.

 

[CCBoy]

The entire secondary outside of Scandrick, needs to be overhauled. I thought Church looked pretty good yesterday and I'm not a Church fan. I'll have to see when the All-22 gets out. Still, I think you need some playmakers that are good at providing the last line of defense at safety...and I don't think Church has that playmaker ability in him.

The safety roles have changed over the past 10 years. You really can't have a true SS that plays SS responsibilities and a FS that just plays FS responsibilities. They have to play both roles at various times. They have to play in the box and the deep zone coverage. They have to cover TE's, RB's, WR's and help over the top. They have to blitz and fake blitzes. Lot more responsibilities and more skill sets required.

We just seem to act like none of that is going on in today's game.







YR

Job descriptions at safety quickly run into the problems that now are presented in defining an emerging talent in cornerbacks, as well.

They still have to be installed and adapted to particular team mixes.

 

[perrykemp]

I thought Church looked pretty good yesterday and I'm not a Church fan. I'll have to see when the All-22 gets out. Still, I think you need some playmakers that are good at providing the last line of defense at safety...and I don't think Church has that playmaker ability in him.
YR

Good post YR.

I am so unbelievably torn on Church. He is an absolute joy to behold tacking people. I have to go a long way back to remember a guy so good at taking people down once he gets his hand on them.

On the other hand, he is rarely even in the picture in the passing game, and unfortunately for him, in today's passing game it is a must that at least one of the safeties be able to run down the field and help cover elite WRs.

Think about the team's that have won Superbowls that 6-7 years:

Seahawks: 2 great safeties
Ravens: 1 HOF safety -- albeit on his last legs in Ed Reed
Giants: OK safeties -- Antrel Rolle has been a probowler
Packers: Nick Collins (All-Pro Safety)
Saints: Darren Sharper (HOF caliber safety -- albeit on his last legs)
Steelers: Troy Polamula (HOF caliber safety)

 

[Kaiser]

The entire secondary outside of Scandrick, needs to be overhauled. R

I have only re-watched the first half on tape but Wilcox looked a lot worse than I thought the first time I watched it. I think Church is OK, not great, and a guy that you need to hold down a spot at a low salary. But Wilcox really needs to improve going forward or be replaced.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The entire secondary outside of Scandrick, needs to be overhauled. I thought Church looked pretty good yesterday and I'm not a Church fan. I'll have to see when the All-22 gets out. Still, I think you need some playmakers that are good at providing the last line of defense at safety...and I don't think Church has that playmaker ability in him.

The safety roles have changed over the past 10 years. You really can't have a true SS that plays SS responsibilities and a FS that just plays FS responsibilities. They have to play both roles at various times. They have to play in the box and the deep zone coverage. They have to cover TE's, RB's, WR's and help over the top. They have to blitz and fake blitzes. Lot more responsibilities and more skill sets required.

We just seem to act like none of that is going on in today's game.







YR

We moved outrsafeties around. Wilcox played up, the middle half and the deep middle. You have your take but you should adjust it to what actually went on in the game from game to game.

Wilxcox struggled when he was given the flat on third down in the first half. He did better in the second. When Scandrick is back he will take that role but Wiclox and especially Moore suched at it. Moore isn't given any flak but he gave multiple receptions.

We drafted Lee and Carter with the intention of covering TE.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And yet YR, pass defense is produced by pass rush. I think you'd agree here, but cannot speak for you.

However, we all on this board have to understand this is a new day in this league. They are tightening the restrictions of the defense as predicated by Seattle last year. Others have said this recently. I am not reinventing the wheel. I dismissed it, but there can be a case made teams are giving a wide berth to stay away from infractions.

I don't know.

But the culture here does not put a premium on pass rush and does on pass coverage. But there are even journeyman QB's in this league who will eat up a defense in the passing game if the rush doesn't harass them and change the timing of their pass attack.

So when you say philosophy and I say culture, we very well could be speaking about the same thing. A methodical approach to building a defense and its workings which believes corner backs are the focal point to the ignoring of other components.

Pass defense is a combination of things. Unless you're the '85 Bears and you're getting to the QB at an off-the-charts pace...your pass rush is useless if you can't cover anybody.

Too often we have receivers that are getting wide open very quickly. The pass rush simply can't get there in time...because outside of the '85 Bears...nobody would get there in time. Even the Seahawks.

That's what happened in the Seattle vs. Green Bay game. Rodgers had some time to throw and completed passes. But once Seattle saw that Rodgers was going to target Maxwell, they could shift coverage that way and the pass rush started to get to Rodgers because he needed a split second more time to throw. And once Bulaga got injured, they couldn't stop whomever was rushing Rodgers over at Bulaga's replacement.

I think the pass rush could be better, but we did pressure Kaepernick a good amount. I was far more concerned about the 7-10 yard pass routes where guys were wide open quickly or the plays where Kaepernick was flushed out by the pass rush and then hits a receiver that is so open the next defender close to him is located in New Mexico.

And in today's NFL that's how it's going to work. It's a very screen and flare route passing game. The 7-step drop patterns are becoming more or less extinct and even the 5-step drops are rare. Your pass rush isn't going to get there because the QB is getting the ball out of his hand often times in less than 1.5 seconds. In fact, they were discussing how Russell Wilson has worked on his throwing mechanics to quicken up his release...not because of intermediate throws, but on bubble screens, because if you can get it released in the 0.5 second range...the opposing DB's have less time to react and it gives your WR more open space to work with.

In today's game, you have to worry about stopping the screens and flares first, then work on the pass rush. Because if you don't, teams will just keep throwing those quick passes and it renders the quality of pass rush moot.





YR