How Do We Feel About Positions Going into 2023 vs 2022?

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Exactly. After the last 2 losses to the Niners to end our seasons, I thought we universally believed that the Boys were dominated in the trenches……. Now it suddenly seems to be a non-issue.

Because it was always false.

The idea that SF just ran everywhere is a myth.

 

[shabazz]

Because it was always false.

The idea that SF just ran everywhere is a myth.

So we are stronger than them in the trenches on both sides of the ball?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

So we are stronger than them in the trenches on both sides of the ball?

Both DLs are better than the opposing OL.

There is no such thing as an OL that simply lines up and beats SF's DL - it's where all of their resources are.

 

[CCBoy]

So we are stronger than them in the trenches on both sides of the ball?

Kansas City added in the draft...5 in their secondary last season. This year they have two new offensive tackles...

 

[CCBoy]

Areas for concern/observation:

Brandon Aubrey is perfect in Cowboys debut​

Two Cowboys pass-catchers go for 100 yards​

Dallas' defensive line feasts, records 6+ sacks​

https://thelandryhat.com/posts/3-bo...81b9dd311b4397877799c50d75a9908aea6d11e4470ce

 

[Whyjerry]

QB - Better
RB - Better
WR - Much better
TE - Same
OT - Worse
OG and C - Better
DL - Better
LB - Better
CB - Much better
S - Better
K - Worse
P - Same
Coaching - Better
GM - Still sucks and the AI creation makes me dislike him more

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Answer this question. “ with the exception of the Mazi acquisition, how exactly have we gotten better than the Niners in the trenches on BOTH sides of the ball”?

Yes, the addition of Gilmore ,Cooks and Deuce at the skill positions will be a factor but have the lines been shore up adequately?

Take the homer caps off and explain because they have dominated it for years

I thought he did include that info in his rebuttal or answer. Am I wrong? I see OL and DL somewhere in there. Are we as good as SF? Not really sure about that shabazz.

 

[Sinister]

100% wrong on Amari Cooper, $22 million for a backup wr2 was far too much to take that cap hit the problem was they didn't realize that Michael gallup wasn't going to come back full they didn't realize that Tony tolbert wasn't gonna develop.. They lost jarwin, Cooper, Collins, Connor Williams ,Cedric Wilson, and Turner.. Then we started a rookie left tackle and then end up having a rotation all along the offensive line when we had injuries to cover up that was the problem last year,

not amari Cooper but if they cut anybody that was a mistake knowing they needed depth it was Cedric Wilson..Ced would have helped to keep Noah to 3 until gallup came back, Noah's a 4..​

You cannot afford to keep an amari Cooper for $22 million he was a cap casualty just like Hopkins, dalvin cook, and we end up getting Gilmore and Brandon cooks for similar deals. This is what the NFL is that fifth round now that you look back at it wasn't that big a deal it is what teens are going to do they're gonna make you either take a low round draft pick or wait till you cut the guy, we would have got nothing for him.FACT

seriously, i'm absolutely sick and tired of hearing about Amari cooper, what exactly did he do for the Raiders and the Cowboys in the playoffs we made it to the second round of the playoffs without him we lost the San Francisco with and without him.... The guys are good player but he's no Jerry Rice and we could not afford to keep him with CD lamb and all these other contracts we had coming up have you noticed all these new deals...sorry AC long gone was the reason for the loss in the playoffs, was the OL and run game etc

I think you are right in the long term it could help, but for last year it really left the Cowboys in a bind because there was no second receiver after CeeDee. It really showed when Pollard went out with the broken leg, there was no one else besides CeeDee.

The fact that Gallup wasn't going to come back makes it a mistake to let Amari go.

The fact that Tolbert never developed last year makes Amari a mistake.

The fact that James Washington was a non-contributor makes Amari a mistake.

Ced Wilson did not get cut. He was a free agent who did nothing with the Dolphins, you really wanted Dallas to sign Wilson who did nothing for the Dolphins last year to a 3-year 22 million dollar contract?

Helped keep Noah? Why would you want to keep Noah? I admit he had one good game (Cincinnati) but what did he do the rest of the year? (I reread it and it says you wanted to keep Noah as a 4th which makes sense now, sorry ignore this Line, I'm keeping it in for posterity)

Gillmore? You mean the DT that the Cowboys wanted to cut and ended up having to take a pay cut just to stay with the team.

Fine Cooks might be a great addition, but we had to give up a fifth round pick to pay him and we don't really know how he is going to play this year. I think he will be fine and we will win some games with him, but I am more of a prove it type person, I want to see it.

Amari getting cut might have been OK if the Cowboys were able to beat the 49ers, but the fact is that it probably cost the Cowboys a first round bye during the season and it might have given the Cowboys just that one other option that was necessary to win the game against the 49ers.

That fifth round pick they ended up using was on Waletzko.

I agree getting anything for Amari was good? I guess, but it wasn't because he was a bad player, it was because he had an inflated contract and yes I agree it was inflated, yes he was paid too much, and yes it might help sign player in the future, and I would say it probably did help sign Diggs and Steele this year, but for 2021 it hurt the Cowboys offensively and might have cost them the SB. (Might have; I am not saying it did, just want to be clear.)

Now, I could be wrong, but I think it increased the Cowboys chances last year to have Amari on the team and I was only speaking about last year really.

Whether you like Amari or not he played through pain, he played through injuries and he gave the Cowboys another weapon.

Amari wasn't the reason the Cowboys lost to San Fran in 2021, but it is possible he was one of the reasons that the Cowboys lost in 2022.

 

[CCBoy]

I think you are right in the long term it could help, but for last year it really left the Cowboys in a bind because there was no second receiver after CeeDee. It really showed when Pollard went out with the broken leg, there was no one else besides CeeDee.

The fact that Gallup wasn't going to come back makes it a mistake to let Amari go.

The fact that Tolbert never developed last year makes Amari a mistake.

The fact that James Washington was a non-contributor makes Amari a mistake.

Ced Wilson did not get cut. He was a free agent who did nothing with the Dolphins, you really wanted Dallas to sign Wilson who did nothing for the Dolphins last year to a 3-year 22 million dollar contract?

Helped keep Noah? Why would you want to keep Noah? I admit he had one good game (Cincinnati) but what did he do the rest of the year?

Gillmore? You mean the DT that the Cowboys wanted to cut and ended up having to take a pay cut just to stay with the team.

Fine Cooks might be a great addition, but we had to give up a fifth round pick to pay him and we don't really know how he is going to play this year. I think he will be fine and we will win some games with him, but I am more of a prove it type person, I want to see it.

Amari getting cut might have been OK if the Cowboys were able to beat the 49ers, but the fact is that it probably cost the Cowboys a first round bye during the season and it might have given the Cowboys just that one other option that was necessary to win the game against the 49ers.

That fifth round pick they ended up using was on Waletzko.

I agree getting anything for Amari was good? I guess, but it wasn't because he was a bad player, it was because he had an inflated contract and yes I agree it was inflated, yes he was paid too much, and yes it might help sign player in the future, and I would say it probably did help sign Diggs and Steele this year, but for 2021 it hurt the Cowboys offensively and might have cost them the SB. (Might have; I am not saying it did, just want to be clear.)

Now, I could be wrong, but I think it increased the Cowboys chances last year to have Amari on the team and I was only speaking about last year really.

Whether you like Amari or not he played through pain, he played through injuries and he gave the Cowboys another weapon.

Amari wasn't the reason the Cowboys lost to San Fran in 2021, but it is possible he was one of the reasons that the Cowboys lost in 2022.

But behind all of that still remained the magnitude of contracts signed and being here now finishing off the two young big ones.

San Francisco may have been beaten with Cooper or not, but the talent and cap going forward won't be facing the same desert coming up on the 49'ers following this very season.

Dallas can draft two quality offensive linemen next season and be on top of the proverbial king of the mountain height.

 

[Sinister]

But behind all of that still remained the magnitude of contracts signed and being here now finishing off the two young big ones.

San Francisco may have been beaten with Cooper or not, but the talent and cap going forward won't be facing the same desert coming up on the 49'ers following this very season.

Dallas can draft two quality offensive linemen next season and be on top of the proverbial king of the mountain height.

I think the Salary Cap is an illusion to some degree, I think the Cowboys could have figured it out. I really think that the problem wasn't the money though, it seems like it was more a personal issues that Jerry had with Amari.

Of course I am not there, but the reporting hinted that the Cowboys had issues with Amari's personality which, fair enough, but I think it was a mistake, and I might be wrong, but from my perspective they should have worked it out for the good of the team.

Was it possible to work it out, I have no idea, I'm only a fan and don't know the inner workings of the Cowboys minds.

As for drafting quality lineman I hope so, but the draft is such a crapshoot.

 

[CCBoy]

I think the Salary Cap is an illusion to some degree, I think the Cowboys could have figured it out. I really think that the problem wasn't the money though, it seems like it was more a personal issues that Jerry had with Amari.

Of course I am not there, but the reporting hinted that the Cowboys had issues with Amari's personality which, fair enough, but it I think it was a mistake, and I might be wrong, but from my perspective they should have worked it out for the good of the team.

Was it possible to work it out, I have no idea, I'm only a fan and don't know the inner workings of the Cowboys minds.

As for drafting quality lineman I hope so, but the draft is such a crapshoot.

The comment about Cooper only applied to the above being projected, not overall cap projection. Cooper went dormant too much the year before.

Next, the relevancy of that affected eventually, being able to negotiate this years deals when money issues were taken off the books and they could even do what was done.

Point is they handled it with maximum gain in the entire roster, even resigning it's veterans such as in the secondary.

One can't abstractly project this amount of team progress would have even been on the table without clearing first to this year's gains in team talents.

Oh, straight up, Jerry handles attitudes when end product is involved.

It no where involved manipulating a single contract just for that individual player. That is too generalized in this application now.

 

[blueblood70]

You called him a "backup WR2," whatever that is. And he put up the numbers you listed in only 14 games in 2021. It doesn't matter if he would be the #1 or #2 receiver here, we put at least two receivers on the field for every snap, and you can't put too much talent on the field. But sure, Noah Brown was a perfectly fine replacement.

you just don't understand what the salary is and how it affected our salary cap....had to move him just like other teams.. you realize deandre hopkins dalvin cook all these other players moving teams . It's it's pretty normal business in the NFL you have to move pieces in order to keep building your team yearly... So it matters a lot and you don't have a general understanding of the salary cap... If you did you wouldn't constantly bring it up the fact that he should still be here and that fact is moot because he's not. There are people much smarter than you and made these decisions form good reasons..

They simply were trying to go younger and cheaper and going with the hot hand... So again let me know about your credentials in the NFL if not until further notice I'm going to have to agree with the teams that are making these moves... I think it's hilarious that dalvin cook and DeAndre Hopkins couldn't even get a fifth and you think the Cowboys were stupid for only getting a fifth.. again, you don't have an understanding truly of roster versus the salary cap and how it has to change yearly....

 

[Sinister]

The comment about Cooper only applied to the above being projected, not overall cap projection. Cooper went dormant too much the year before.

Next, the relevancy of that affected eventually, being able to negotiate this years deals when money issues were taken off the books and they could even do what was done.

Point is they handled it with maximum gain in the entire roster, even resigning it's veterans such as in the secondary.

One can't abstractly project this amount of team progress would have even been on the table without clearing first to this year's gains in team talents.

Oh, straight up, Jerry handles attitudes when end product is involved.

It no where involved manipulating a single contract just for that individual player. That is too generalized in this application now.

Yes, but my larger point is that not keeping Cooper hurt this team in 2022, was it possible they did it to sign the secondary veterans, to give contracts to players that were going to be coming up? Yes, it is possible, but if one believes that the Salary Cap is an illusion to a certain extent then I think you can conclude that they could have made these transactions without the need to trade away Cooper in 2021. So the real reason they traded Cooper was not because of his inflated contract, but because they disliked him personally or they disliked his attitude. The money issues was just a cover for those in the organization who just didn't like Cooper.

Of course you can abstractly project that is the whole point of this message board, you can't know for sure, but we can for sure project.

Never been the biggest Jerry fan, but it is what it is.

 

[CCBoy]

Yes, but my larger point is that not keeping Cooper hurt this team in 2022, was it possible they did it to sign the secondary veterans, to give contracts to players that were going to be coming up? Yes, it is possible, but if one believes that the Salary Cap is an illusion to a certain extent then I think you can conclude that they could have made these transactions without the need to trade away Cooper in 2021. So the real reason they traded Cooper was not because of his inflated contract, but because they disliked him personally or they disliked his attitude. The money issues was just a cover for those in the organization who just didn't like Cooper.

Of course you can abstractly project that is the whole point of this message board, you can't know for sure, but we can for sure project.

Never been the biggest Jerry fan, but it is what it is.

I can ignore as well, just throwing out an abstract as cause...because an element can abstractly be claimed valid. Not ignore after action analysis as well as an accumulation of a specific coaching group over four seasons to just ignore those credability first. I won't remain afraid of the dark, myself.

 

[Sinister]

I can ignore as well, just throwing out an abstract as cause...because an element can abstractly be claimed valid. Not ignore after action analysis as well as an accumulation of a specific coaching group over four seasons to just ignore those credability first. I won't remain afraid of the dark, myself.

Ok, I'll be honest I don't know what point you are trying to make, I'm not mad or anything just confused, I thought I understood your point from before, but maybe I didn't...

 

[CCBoy]

Ok, I'll be honest I don't know what point you are trying to make, I'm not mad or anything just confused, I thought I understood your point from before, but maybe I didn't...

The small bump in the road right now at left guard, was not because of losing Cooper. To me, what Cooper now means, and as to the departure of Jimmy, Jerry ordered him to leave. Bye Jimmy!

The team has three non basic trainees, veterans or trained, to fill the potential hole. There are four other seasoned and good linemen on the unit already.

They and their replacements are all paid for, now and here.

 

[blueblood70]

I think you are right in the long term it could help, but for last year it really left the Cowboys in a bind because there was no second receiver after CeeDee. It really showed when Pollard went out with the broken leg, there was no one else besides CeeDee.

The fact that Gallup wasn't going to come back makes it a mistake to let Amari go.

The fact that Tolbert never developed last year makes Amari a mistake.

The fact that James Washington was a non-contributor makes Amari a mistake.

Ced Wilson did not get cut. He was a free agent who did nothing with the Dolphins, you really wanted Dallas to sign Wilson who did nothing for the Dolphins last year to a 3-year 22 million dollar contract?

Helped keep Noah? Why would you want to keep Noah? I admit he had one good game (Cincinnati) but what did he do the rest of the year? (I reread it and it says you wanted to keep Noah as a 4th which makes sense now, sorry ignore this Line, I'm keeping it in for posterity)

Gillmore? You mean the DT that the Cowboys wanted to cut and ended up having to take a pay cut just to stay with the team.

Fine Cooks might be a great addition, but we had to give up a fifth round pick to pay him and we don't really know how he is going to play this year. I think he will be fine and we will win some games with him, but I am more of a prove it type person, I want to see it.

Amari getting cut might have been OK if the Cowboys were able to beat the 49ers, but the fact is that it probably cost the Cowboys a first round bye during the season and it might have given the Cowboys just that one other option that was necessary to win the game against the 49ers.

That fifth round pick they ended up using was on Waletzko.

I agree getting anything for Amari was good? I guess, but it wasn't because he was a bad player, it was because he had an inflated contract and yes I agree it was inflated, yes he was paid too much, and yes it might help sign player in the future, and I would say it probably did help sign Diggs and Steele this year, but for 2021 it hurt the Cowboys offensively and might have cost them the SB. (Might have; I am not saying it did, just want to be clear.)

Now, I could be wrong, but I think it increased the Cowboys chances last year to have Amari on the team and I was only speaking about last year really.

Whether you like Amari or not he played through pain, he played through injuries and he gave the Cowboys another weapon.

Amari wasn't the reason the Cowboys lost to San Fran in 2021, but it is possible he was one of the reasons that the Cowboys lost in 2022.

It seemed like a bind but I don’t see it that way emoji Cooper had to be released because of his $22 million and the fact that CeeDee Lamb is starting to pull away is the number one wide receiver and it was time to make a change we needed that money to finagle the salary cap last year and moving forward no I meant Stephane Gilmore I don’t know who the hell you’re talking about like Gallimore I mean are you a Cowboys fan we can only fit around it for Brandon cooks which I feel is a steel he’s every bit as good as Amari Cooper by healthier and faster they both have had about the exact same type of career in the back and we’re able to add players this year to make our team better doesn’t mean we’re gonna get better but they made the same type of **** round picks for a player I wanna marry Cooper’s level as we got from our keeper therefore it was not a mistake the mistake was under estimating how old Tolbert‘s gala would play there for the person that should be let go with Cedric Wilson


Hilarious you thought we would beat San Francisco with Amari Cooper or have the first round by one with him we did neither he is not elevated the Raiders or yet the Browns from what I can see he is a very good wide receiver for his money dictated he was released before his bonus money became permanent or a record in our dead cat and maybe you should study the salary cap he needed to be released it’s no different than when they release DeAndre Hopkins Dalvin Cook and other players that were surprised releases this year or players like we got Stefan Gilmore and Brandon cooks for fifth round picks it is what it is the moves are made but your incessantly pushing the narrative emoji Cooper somehow with an elevator our team.

Hilarious you thought we would beat San Francisco with Amari Cooper or have the first round by one with him we didn’t either he is not elevated the Raiders or yet the Browns from what I can see he is a very good wide receiver but his money dictated he was released before his bonus money became permanent or a record in our debt cap and maybe we should study the salary cap he needed to be released is no different than when they release DeAndre Hopkins Dalvin Cook and other players that were surprised releases this year or players like we got Stefan Gilmore and Brandon cooks for fifth round picks it is what it is the moves are made but your incessantly pushing the narrative that Mark Cooper somehow wouldn’t elevator our team yes he was a very good player sometimes he played great sometimes he didn’t the fact is he didn’t know about our team against the 49ers year before he didn’t get us the first round by the year before.

As simple as this he’s a salary cap casualty it had to be done you’re a smart people up at the ranch that knew I had to be done and when it had to be done so we can use that money during the year to fill holes and we end up using almost all the cat bringing other people like peters and bar in TY Hilton and always other guys later in the year yes Noah Brown failed us yes Tolbert never developed fast enough yes Michael Gallup didn’t come from his injury fast enough you say put us in a bind they thought those things were gonna happen in a positive way not negatively and it didn’t so I go back in time I’m still waiting emoji Cooper goal of keeping Cedrick Wilson. As simple as this he’s a salary cap casualty it had to be done you’re a smart people up at the ranch that knew I had to be done and when it had to be done so we can use that money during the year to fill holes and we end up using almost all the cat bringing other people like peters and bar in TY Hilton and always other guys later in the year yes Noah Brown failed us yes Tolbert never developed fast enough yes Michael Gallup didn’t come from his injury fast enough you say it put us in a bind they thought those things were going to happen in the positive way not negatively and it didn’t so I go back in time I’m still waiting emoji Cooper goal of keeping Cedrick Wilson

 

[JD_KaPow]

you just don't understand what the salary is and how it affected our salary cap....had to move him just like other teams.. you realize deandre hopkins dalvin cook all these other players moving teams . It's it's pretty normal business in the NFL you have to move pieces in order to keep building your team yearly... So it matters a lot and you don't have a general understanding of the salary cap... If you did you wouldn't constantly bring it up the fact that he should still be here and that fact is moot because he's not. There are people much smarter than you and made these decisions form good reasons..

They simply were trying to go younger and cheaper and going with the hot hand... So again let me know about your credentials in the NFL if not until further notice I'm going to have to agree with the teams that are making these moves... I think it's hilarious that dalvin cook and DeAndre Hopkins couldn't even get a fifth and you think the Cowboys were stupid for only getting a fifth.. again, you don't have an understanding truly of roster versus the salary cap and how it has to change yearly....

One of us doesn't understand the economics of the NFL, I agree with you there.

 

[blueblood70]

One of us doesn't understand the economics of the NFL, I agree with you there.

Are you since I am in agreement in an environment with the Cowboys did the cowboys fan office and always management decided as to when the proper time and the popper reason for the wedding keep Cooper go are you since I am in agreement in an environment with the Cowboys did the cowboys fan office and always management decided as to when the proper time and the popper reason for letting Mark Cooper go for a fifth rounder with the next year we pick up Brandon cooks in Gilmore for fifth rounder and then you watch DeAndre Hopkins and guy like David Cook is out like a cat because I couldn’t get a drop it tells me that I’m on the right side this debate

Can your truly questioning a team or $10 billion that employees 1200 people and they have layers and layers of management and people who do nothing but figure out the Contracts and the bonuses coming up for a merry Cooper the timing had to be right to try to trade him cut him they got it for him there wasn’t many other better offers the other offers were they would’ve gave us a better drop it but we would’ve had to pay part of the salary which was the reason we were getting rid of in the first place and again I don’t trust people who do this for a living who live it every day who has built a $10 million franchise that they did the right thing for the team at the time over you who feels like they didn’t because you do not understand why they did it and when they did it what do you want we wouldn’t be having this conversation and the other fact is Amari Cooper did not help us beat San Francisco in 2021 so didn’t help the Raiders do anything special he didn’t help the Browns do anything special yet that’s to be determined and again we got to the second round of the playoffs versus the first the year before with Cooper you saying that we should have on his $22 million salary hurt team building is why you’re definitely on the wrong side of this conversation because the professional says they did the right thing and I’m saying I agree with them because I do understand why they did it and when they did it especially now that you see some of the things that happen in this off-season with players of his caliber or better

 

[CCBoy]

That disagreeing is not a discussion built upon exchange. It's a straight line path of chosen cause, whether it is supported by a fully developed picture or not. Different causes have been presented in abundance as to applied views.

Simply, disagreement is more of justification of chosen path and not adding up the complete picture.

Not really analysis of information presented and basing the conclusion upon facts making it's way through talk upon causes. That is just too simple to apply.