How Do We Feel About Positions Going into 2023 vs 2022?

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It seemed like a bind but I don’t see it that way emoji Cooper had to be released because of his $22 million and the fact that CeeDee Lamb is starting to pull away is the number one wide receiver and it was time to make a change we needed that money to finagle the salary cap last year and moving forward no I meant Stephane Gilmore I don’t know who the hell you’re talking about like Gallimore I mean are you a Cowboys fan we can only fit around it for Brandon cooks which I feel is a steel he’s every bit as good as Amari Cooper by healthier and faster they both have had about the exact same type of career in the back and we’re able to add players this year to make our team better doesn’t mean we’re gonna get better but they made the same type of **** round picks for a player I wanna marry Cooper’s level as we got from our keeper therefore it was not a mistake the mistake was under estimating how old Tolbert‘s gala would play there for the person that should be let go with Cedric Wilson


Hilarious you thought we would beat San Francisco with Amari Cooper or have the first round by one with him we did neither he is not elevated the Raiders or yet the Browns from what I can see he is a very good wide receiver for his money dictated he was released before his bonus money became permanent or a record in our dead cat and maybe you should study the salary cap he needed to be released it’s no different than when they release DeAndre Hopkins Dalvin Cook and other players that were surprised releases this year or players like we got Stefan Gilmore and Brandon cooks for fifth round picks it is what it is the moves are made but your incessantly pushing the narrative emoji Cooper somehow with an elevator our team.

Hilarious you thought we would beat San Francisco with Amari Cooper or have the first round by one with him we didn’t either he is not elevated the Raiders or yet the Browns from what I can see he is a very good wide receiver but his money dictated he was released before his bonus money became permanent or a record in our debt cap and maybe we should study the salary cap he needed to be released is no different than when they release DeAndre Hopkins Dalvin Cook and other players that were surprised releases this year or players like we got Stefan Gilmore and Brandon cooks for fifth round picks it is what it is the moves are made but your incessantly pushing the narrative that Mark Cooper somehow wouldn’t elevator our team yes he was a very good player sometimes he played great sometimes he didn’t the fact is he didn’t know about our team against the 49ers year before he didn’t get us the first round by the year before.

As simple as this he’s a salary cap casualty it had to be done you’re a smart people up at the ranch that knew I had to be done and when it had to be done so we can use that money during the year to fill holes and we end up using almost all the cat bringing other people like peters and bar in TY Hilton and always other guys later in the year yes Noah Brown failed us yes Tolbert never developed fast enough yes Michael Gallup didn’t come from his injury fast enough you say put us in a bind they thought those things were gonna happen in a positive way not negatively and it didn’t so I go back in time I’m still waiting emoji Cooper goal of keeping Cedrick Wilson. As simple as this he’s a salary cap casualty it had to be done you’re a smart people up at the ranch that knew I had to be done and when it had to be done so we can use that money during the year to fill holes and we end up using almost all the cat bringing other people like peters and bar in TY Hilton and always other guys later in the year yes Noah Brown failed us yes Tolbert never developed fast enough yes Michael Gallup didn’t come from his injury fast enough you say it put us in a bind they thought those things were going to happen in the positive way not negatively and it didn’t so I go back in time I’m still waiting emoji Cooper goal of keeping Cedrick Wilson
Sorry, I didn't even think of Stephan Gilmore CB because I thought we were talking about last 2022 my bad. Ha, I have been on this board and suffered more as a Cowboys fan than you can probably ever imagine, I was here during the Campo years. I was posting on this board when it was the Silver Star board Ha. It doesn't bother me that you think because I didn't think of Stephan Gilmore that I am not a fan, I just think it's funny.

Cooks is a good player, but we are talking about 2022 not 2023. Cooks didn't help last year. Your point doesn't make sense. I know you think that cutting Cooper helped us land Cooks, and yes you are right, the Cowboys needed to land Cooks because we needed a receiver.

Why did we need a receiver? Oh, it is because we sent our other probowl receiver to the Browns for a 5th round pick?

I thought Cooper gave another weapon that Dallas desperately needed especially after Pollard went down, would the Cowboys have beat the 49ers maybe, maybe not, but I think it opened up more possibilities, that is for sure. We were a couple of plays away in several games last year and I think Cooper could have made a difference and I don't think it is too high a leap to believe that it would be possible for the Cowboys to pull out a couple more games and Dak throw a few less interceptions because Cooper was and is so precise in his routes and has better hands than every receiver on this roster including Lamb.

So the questions are:
Is Cooper better than Lamb? Let's say no.
Is Cooper better than every other pass catcher on this team? Let's say yes.

You don't believe that having Cooper on this team would not have helped the Cowboys possibly win that game in San Fran and possibly one other game during the season?

If you say you don't think Cooper could have helped us during the season or in that playoff game, I just don't know what to tell you. I would be hard pressed I think, even on this board to find anyone who would disagree that Cooper could have helped us during the season or during that playoff game.

Who cares why Hopkins or Cook were released, they were not released last year and they couldn't help the Cowboys last year, I know you're trying to make a point about the salary cap, but each situation is different and it really doesn't apply to the Cowboys at all.

Who cares what the smart people at the Ranch; by the way it is no longer the Ranch, think. They make mistakes and they have to live with the consequences of them. One of the mistakes they made was not working with Cooper and throwing away a possible Super Bowl year because they didn't like his personality. Yes, they are genius's down at the 'Ranch'.

The call it the Star now. They moved from Valley Ranch to Frisco.
 

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Yes, but my larger point is that not keeping Cooper hurt this team in 2022, was it possible they did it to sign the secondary veterans, to give contracts to players that were going to be coming up? Yes, it is possible, but if one believes that the Salary Cap is an illusion to a certain extent then I think you can conclude that they could have made these transactions without the need to trade away Cooper in 2021. So the real reason they traded Cooper was not because of his inflated contract, but because they disliked him personally or they disliked his attitude. The money issues was just a cover for those in the organization who just didn't like Cooper.

Of course you can abstractly project that is the whole point of this message board, you can't know for sure, but we can for sure project.

Never been the biggest Jerry fan, but it is what it is.

If memory serves me correctly, they got rid of Cooper on 20m and signed an injured Gallup for 15m. It's hard to argue they couldn't make it work on that basis IMO. I think there's pretty clearly a decision made here based on something that happened behind closed door rather than purely finance/performance.
 

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If memory serves me correctly, they got rid of Cooper on 20m and signed an injured Gallup for 15m. It's hard to argue they couldn't make it work on that basis IMO. I think there's pretty clearly a decision made here based on something that happened behind closed door rather than purely finance/performance.
Th problem is that it is hard to say without actually being there, but I think it is pretty well rumored that Cooper was traded because Cowboys management did not like him personally.

I think they thought that they'd be OK with the receivers they had, maybe they even thought that Cooper lost a step so the sooner they got rid of him the better.

While I do think that Cooper is on the downside of his career, they chose probably the worst time to trade him, because although he maybe on the downside of his career he is still a great route runner and still was able to put together a 1000 yard season last year.
 

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Answer this question. “ with the exception of the Mazi acquisition, how exactly have we gotten better than the Niners in the trenches on BOTH sides of the ball”?

Yes, the addition of Gilmore ,Cooks and Deuce at the skill positions will be a factor but have the lines been shore up adequately?

Take the homer caps off and explain because they have dominated it for years
We haven't. This is my opinion. If the Rams suck this year, and I mean really suck. Try to trade for Aaron Donald right before the trade deadline. I'm not sure they'll do it. But they have to be considering a rebuild soon. And Donald isn't doing anything for them.
 

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I like the roster fills. The team is strong on the passing game on both sides of the ball. Just get done what is expected of you. Injuries come and go...I don't want to watch a lot of pulls and swollen ankles. Get taped, stretch, and get the ice where needed.

My biggest concern is no injuries to game ready offensive linemen. That will be a team detriment and a kick in the gut for this fan. That or first two picks in next year's draft an offensive tackle and center.

This better be the strongest show come game time:

1. Edge rushers​

  • Micah Parsons
  • DeMarcus Lawrence
  • Sam Williams
  • Dorance Armstrong
  • Dante Fowler Jr.
  • Viliami Fehoko Jr.
Only one will actually get pressure
 

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Th problem is that it is hard to say without actually being there, but I think it is pretty well rumored that Cooper was traded because Cowboys management did not like him personally.

I think they thought that they'd be OK with the receivers they had, maybe they even thought that Cooper lost a step so the sooner they got rid of him the better.

While I do think that Cooper is on the downside of his career, they chose probably the worst time to trade him, because although he maybe on the downside of his career he is still a great route runner and still was able to put together a 1000 yard season last year.
You are not from Missouri, as plenty has been shown contrary...must be something else.
 

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If memory serves me correctly, they got rid of Cooper on 20m and signed an injured Gallup for 15m. It's hard to argue they couldn't make it work on that basis IMO. I think there's pretty clearly a decision made here based on something that happened behind closed door rather than purely finance/performance.
Is a Gallup still around? You now saying the trio on roster are full of **** with supporters...too. Woo hoo. Naw, not the story line. I'll pay attention to games, STILL!!
 

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Sorry, I didn't even think of Stephan Gilmore CB because I thought we were talking about last 2022 my bad. Ha, I have been on this board and suffered more as a Cowboys fan than you can probably ever imagine, I was here during the Campo years. I was posting on this board when it was the Silver Star board Ha. It doesn't bother me that you think because I didn't think of Stephan Gilmore that I am not a fan, I just think it's funny.

Cooks is a good player, but we are talking about 2022 not 2023. Cooks didn't help last year. Your point doesn't make sense. I know you think that cutting Cooper helped us land Cooks, and yes you are right, the Cowboys needed to land Cooks because we needed a receiver.

Why did we need a receiver? Oh, it is because we sent our other probowl receiver to the Browns for a 5th round pick?

I thought Cooper gave another weapon that Dallas desperately needed especially after Pollard went down, would the Cowboys have beat the 49ers maybe, maybe not, but I think it opened up more possibilities, that is for sure. We were a couple of plays away in several games last year and I think Cooper could have made a difference and I don't think it is too high a leap to believe that it would be possible for the Cowboys to pull out a couple more games and Dak throw a few less interceptions because Cooper was and is so precise in his routes and has better hands than every receiver on this roster including Lamb.

So the questions are:
Is Cooper better than Lamb? Let's say no.
Is Cooper better than every other pass catcher on this team? Let's say yes.

You don't believe that having Cooper on this team would not have helped the Cowboys possibly win that game in San Fran and possibly one other game during the season?

If you say you don't think Cooper could have helped us during the season or in that playoff game, I just don't know what to tell you. I would be hard pressed I think, even on this board to find anyone who would disagree that Cooper could have helped us during the season or during that playoff game.

Who cares why Hopkins or Cook were released, they were not released last year and they couldn't help the Cowboys last year, I know you're trying to make a point about the salary cap, but each situation is different and it really doesn't apply to the Cowboys at all.

Who cares what the smart people at the Ranch; by the way it is no longer the Ranch, think. They make mistakes and they have to live with the consequences of them. One of the mistakes they made was not working with Cooper and throwing away a possible Super Bowl year because they didn't like his personality. Yes, they are genius's down at the 'Ranch'.

The call it the Star now. They moved from Valley Ranch to Frisco.
Calling crap here and now...what a real class act with NO time in grade but insults...you are still squawking as a nub. Ask what that means or just go to the usual round of insults and crying in the rain, a San Francisco treat, not Cowboys!
 

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Sorry, I didn't even think of Stephan Gilmore CB because I thought we were talking about last 2022 my bad. Ha, I have been on this board and suffered more as a Cowboys fan than you can probably ever imagine, I was here during the Campo years. I was posting on this board when it was the Silver Star board Ha. It doesn't bother me that you think because I didn't think of Stephan Gilmore that I am not a fan, I just think it's funny.

Cooks is a good player, but we are talking about 2022 not 2023. Cooks didn't help last year. Your point doesn't make sense. I know you think that cutting Cooper helped us land Cooks, and yes you are right, the Cowboys needed to land Cooks because we needed a receiver.

Why did we need a receiver? Oh, it is because we sent our other probowl receiver to the Browns for a 5th round pick?

I thought Cooper gave another weapon that Dallas desperately needed especially after Pollard went down, would the Cowboys have beat the 49ers maybe, maybe not, but I think it opened up more possibilities, that is for sure. We were a couple of plays away in several games last year and I think Cooper could have made a difference and I don't think it is too high a leap to believe that it would be possible for the Cowboys to pull out a couple more games and Dak throw a few less interceptions because Cooper was and is so precise in his routes and has better hands than every receiver on this roster including Lamb.

So the questions are:
Is Cooper better than Lamb? Let's say no.
Is Cooper better than every other pass catcher on this team? Let's say yes.

You don't believe that having Cooper on this team would not have helped the Cowboys possibly win that game in San Fran and possibly one other game during the season?

If you say you don't think Cooper could have helped us during the season or in that playoff game, I just don't know what to tell you. I would be hard pressed I think, even on this board to find anyone who would disagree that Cooper could have helped us during the season or during that playoff game.

Who cares why Hopkins or Cook were released, they were not released last year and they couldn't help the Cowboys last year, I know you're trying to make a point about the salary cap, but each situation is different and it really doesn't apply to the Cowboys at all.

Who cares what the smart people at the Ranch; by the way it is no longer the Ranch, think. They make mistakes and they have to live with the consequences of them. One of the mistakes they made was not working with Cooper and throwing away a possible Super Bowl year because they didn't like his personality. Yes, they are genius's down at the 'Ranch'.

The call it the Star now. They moved from Valley Ranch to Frisco.
Dude get over it 2022 is gone and coopers 22milwas too much..the referncwe is showing we picked up gilmore and cools for 5th and not one team offerd a pick for cook or Dhopo and they were outorght released.. If you don't understand the parallel there from what we did with cooper last year to what has gone on this year in the offseason with similar players.. That I can't get through to you so let's move on you do not understand that this is a business and he had to go for business reasons...

No go back to playing fantasy football in Madden because that's where you should stay OK Internet GM know it all.. I'll trust the powers of the professionals related to the Cowboys who made these decisions over you.. Same decisions other teams have made yearly and if 2023 doesn't show you how it works with similar playerss with age and big contracts then you arent paying attention!
 
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