How do you feel about Belicheat as the successor to McCarthy?

How do you feel about Belicheat as the successor to McCarthy?

  • Yes, great hire for the Cowboys

  • Leaning in favor of him as next coach

  • Leaning against him as next coach

  • No, terrible hire for the Cowboys


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calicowboy54

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Lots of talk about Belicheat coming to coach our Cowboys. Both in the media and especially in here. How about a sort of mid-season bye week poll to see what everyone is thinking? It's not a given that McCarthy will be gone after this season. However, if he is, then a replacement is needed. So, how do you feel about Belicheat as the successor to McCarthy? Only one vote and it will be visible publicly.
things Belichek brings:
1. sound defense
2. discipline football
3. clock management
4. running game

things he’s lacking:
1. innovative offense
2. players hate the choke hold he puts on you.
3. not the greatest at drafting.

all in all if we were allowed to keep some of the existing offense passing game add in the run game he’s going to bring that might work. drafting we have mcclay so i’m not worried about that.

i think if you look at our glaring weaknesses i think bill fixes those. he would have a QB in Dak good WR and OL just need to get a RB which he’s good at drafting and developing. defensively we have no DL so you move to a 3-4 easier to find those guys and move sam,dlaw,& micah to rush LB and we have guys to man the middle with cbs on the outside and physical safeties bill loves. honestly it’s like this team is built for him to step in.
 

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Yeah that’s going swimmingly in New England….Bill left them in a pretty terrible spot with his roster building post Brady. Remember this is a guy that picked Mac Jones as a franchise QB. Not to mention that the history of Bellicheck assistants becoming HC’s isn’t good either
The problem in NE was Mac Jones was the best option he had at QB after Brady left. They tried to replace Tom with Jimmy, but Tom outplayed Jimmy's rookie deal. There's no telling what the Patriots look like if that transition was made as planned. I'm not a big fan of Dak, but he's light-years ahead of Jones in every aspect of the game. Bill picked the wrong guy. It happens. Doesn't make him less of a coach or detract from his legacy.

He's produced some good coaches and bad coaches over the years. Heads of the class are Nick Saban, Kirk Ferentz, and Charlie Weis. Mike Vrabel is a former coach of the year and would be my first choice of successor. What needs to be accounted for is all of his coaches outside of Mayo took jobs elsewhere, meaning they had to try to replicate Bill in rebuilding an entire roster and culture. What I'm talking about is having Bill come in, do all of the hard work in retooling the roster and tearing up the country club mentality...righting the ship for the next guy to step into a winning culture. Continuity is the path to success.

Look at the Patriots. Parcells took that job and made Belichick asst HC. They built a foundation together, then left for NY together. Belichick came back, expanded on that foundation, and built a powerhouse dynasty that lasted two decades, winning 6 Super Bowls. You can argue the Brady effect, but nobody in the history of the league has won that many championships outside of this two. It takes a consistent culture of excellence to maintain that level of success for so long. That's what Belichick brings to the table and it's what the Cowboys desperately need to get over the hump and back to winning championships.
 

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I would say the chances of Bill B being hired here, or even more, chances of him even agreeing to work here, are slim.

Belechick is used to having power over personnel, locker room, speaking to the media and hiring his own assistant coaches. The last head coach here to have that kind of power was Jimmy.

On top of all that, as much as I respect BB, I think at 72, he’s over the hill.

Our fans are so desperate for a change we overlook the above.
 

KJJ

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What's leftover from Parcells? Structure. This franchise thrived on chaos from the time Jerral bought the team, up until Parcells was brought on board. Under Bill, everyone had a defined role with set expectations. Players played football, coaches had authority, scouting department was/is thorough and detail oriented, and unfortunately Jerral had the final say. Wade Phillips and Jason Garret followed a similar approach. The players mutinied under Philips and Garrett couldn't get over the hump, but both were weak head coaches. That structure is what allowed Garrett to last a long as he did. "Trust the process". Garrett sucked as a HC, but his teams were talented enough and tough enough to carry him to the playoffs fairly regularly. The asylum ran the inmates.

Under McCarthy, we've seen the opposite. Look at what we've seen in the media with Micah, Dak, and CeeDee. Look at what we're seeing on the field this year, a year where everything is supposed to fall into place for a coach. It's freakin anarchy in that locker room, on the sideline, and on the field. The inmates are running the asylum, just as they did before Parcells.

With that said, what good is a younger coach going to do if he's inheriting a rough roster full of overpaid, undisciplined divas and has to run every move by Jerral? What experience does said coach have to lean on to guide him through those sorts of challenges. All of the coaches you've named never had to deal with Jerry Jones as owner. He's a massive handicap that makes life difficult for everyone around him. A young coach isn't going to be able to command his respect. If there's no respect, he will run all over any coach. We've seen this. We are seeing this. What I'm taking about is bringing in Belichicks structure and culture, because they're proven winners, and even Jerral can't deny that. You get the ball rolling and continue that coaching tree here. It's the best shot we have at building a championship level franchise with Jerry Jones in charge.

I agree with what you're saying, but I don't think it's realistic. Jerry Jones and his ego have been our undoing for near 3 decades. To think he would take a step back and let a young buck run his show is naive. It has to be someone that he respects. Belichick is a legend. It's a perfect fit for the restructure that this franchise needs. Let Bill pave the road and pad his win column, and pick a young, promising coach from his coaching tree to carry the torch. You get your great young coach with mentorship from the best NFL coach ever. How is that not a grand slam move?
There is anything left over from Parcells. He stepped down 18 years ago. The players he drafted and brought in are all retired. You’re kidding yourself if you think anything is left over from his years. lol The structure with the Cowboys has been screwed up for years. It’s just another reason why the team can’t get over the hump.
 

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There is anything left over from Parcells. He stepped down 18 years ago. The players he drafted and brought in are all retired. You’re kidding yourself if you think anything is left over from his years. lol The structure with the Cowboys has been screwed up for years. It’s just another reason why the team can’t get over the hump.
And it's why you need to bring in Belichick to correct course.
 

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And it's why you need to bring in Belichick to correct course.
Bill Belichick isn’t going to correct any course. Once Brady left it was downhill for him and the Pats. We’ll disagree and just leave it at that.
 

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Lots of talk about Belicheat coming to coach our Cowboys. Both in the media and especially in here. How about a sort of mid-season bye week poll to see what everyone is thinking? It's not a given that McCarthy will be gone after this season. However, if he is, then a replacement is needed. So, how do you feel about Belicheat as the successor to McCarthy? Only one vote and it will be visible publicly.
I love it. Because it means Jerry is finally ready to cede some power.
 

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Many underestimate how much of a Defensive genius BB is. Yes, he would definitely need a topflight OC, but the D he would bring would shock most of you.
 

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Bill Belichick isn’t going to correct any course. Once Brady left it was downhill for him and the Pats. We’ll disagree and just leave it at that.
You mean like Tom Landry? Jimmy Johnson w/o Aikman?
 

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lol...

Year in and year out we get out-coached in Playoffs and look unprepared in Playoffs...

The GOAT coach is available...a coach that had his teams looking well prepared and well coached for 20 years...and there is a board filled with "GO YOUNG" posts...

A coach that hasnt had a team look unprepared or out-coached in 20 years(post Brady years the team still looked competitive on defense...Mac Jones was terrible at making decisions on the field)

We have the decent talent, decent QB...we need to be prepared and well schemed/coached come Playoffs. #4 is not our biggest issue, its Playoff preparedness and in-game scheming and coaching...something BB's teams have never been accused of lacking.

But lets roll the dice on a Kellen Moore to solve those issues.

My god.
 

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Bill Belichick isn’t going to correct any course. Once Brady left it was downhill for him and the Pats. We’ll disagree and just leave it at that.
What's your solution? All I saw was "sign a young guy and give him the keys". How do you suppose that's going to work? I'm not necessarily trying to extend the conversation, but I'd like to understand your stance. I'm seeing alot of resistance, but I'm not seeing or understanding an alternate approach. How does "hire a young guy" help us more than hiring a legend with skins on the wall? If your only argument is "Brady", I'm more than willing to take a chance and see what Bill can get out of Dak. Knowing the issues that this franchise deals with and the baggage this owner brings, how is anything you've said beneficial to the future of this franchise?
 

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What's your solution? All I saw was "sign a young guy and give him the keys". How do you suppose that's going to work? I'm not necessarily trying to extend the conversation, but I'd like to understand your stance. I'm seeing alot of resistance, but I'm not seeing or understanding an alternate approach. How does "hire a young guy" help us more than hiring a legend with skins on the wall? If your only argument is "Brady", I'm more than willing to take a chance and see what Bill can get out of Dak. Knowing the issues that this franchise deals with and the baggage this owner brings, how is anything you've said beneficial to the future of this franchise?
There’s never going to be a solution as long as the Joneses continue to run the team the way they have. Different head coaches have led to the same results. I would prefer to have the team develop under a younger head coach who might have a chance to be here a long time. The greatest successes the Cowboys have had in their history were with younger head coaches getting their first opportunity as an NFL head coach. Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson. The Jones boys need to back off and allow them to mold the team and stop undermining all their coaches.
 

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There’s never going to be a solution as long as the Joneses continue to run the team the way they have. Different head coaches have led to the same results. I would prefer to have the team develop under a younger head coach who might have a chance to be here a long time. The greatest successes the Cowboys have had in their history were with younger head coaches getting their first opportunity as an NFL head coach. Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson.
In a perfect world, I absolutely agree with you, man. 100%. I would love to hire a young coordinator with a bright future, but I just don't see any way they can be successful with the current state of the Cowboys. I get where you're coming from. Jerry makes it more difficult than it should be to run a successful franchise. The culture is bad, and Jerry is acting like he's coaching this team. That will need to change before we have any chance at further success, and that's why I want Bill here. We don't need a rising star yet. We need a fixer, so that rising star can succeed. I don't care if Bill wins a single playoff game, as long as he lays a strong foundation for the next guy to build on. That's why I reference Parcells. The franchise was broken, pitiful before he showed up, and like magic, they were consistently successful, and borderline contenders for a sustained period of time after he left. I'm not thinking about the next two or three years. I'm considering what can happen in the next 5-10 years if done the right way. Fix the culture and you fix the team. A young guy won't do that, but Bill might be able to, and that "might" is why you roll the dice and see what he can do.

I'm not going to try to change your mind if it's already set. I'm just explaining to you why it's a move worth making.
 

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I would take him if he has an O coordinator that is modern and uses motion for Christ sake. Our O is so stale, look at Detroit, they get what they want with scheme.
 

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There’s no way to say that BB would be an awful choice, but if you take a look at things that Jerry flat out refuses to do, how could expect him to hire a personality like him?

Plus what does BB have, two…maybe three years left at most…then what?

I don’t want to spend that time bringing in the players that fit what he wants to do only to have to change it up and start over yet again.

I think some of you think that BB is going to come here and be a total prick and all the dumbness of pre snap penalties and the general attitude of only wanting the bag will change.

If he agrees to come here and tolerate Jerry it would be a neutered version of himself, and really wouldn’t be an ideal situation by any account. They really need to find someone whose innovative skills didn’t originate in the 1980s.
 

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This defense is so bad that even one entire draft can't fix it and we know Jerry isn't going to spend big in free agency. That means you better hire a coach with a proven track record of successful defenses that don't need a lot elite players. Belichick can do that......it kinda reminds me of Wade Phillips. Wherever he was hired, your defense saw immediate improvement but the problem is you could only take him in small doses ( 2-3 years max). Say what you want but Belichick is a defensive genius. He age doesn't bother me at all coz he's likely to bring in young coordinators. Hire him and the days of getting out-coached by OCs are over. As everyone says about him......he's going to take away what your offense does best.

Sidenote .....if hired, we will probably switch back to the 3-4 and many have said this is a better scheme for Parsons. This may also explain why Jerry refused to add any additional players this season.

I just he's the best choice for the at this particular time
Bellicheck will fix the defense in a hurry, he remains the best dc in the business. His biggest concerns is who runs our offense and his poor track record picking players in the draft.
 
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