How do you spell overrated?

[Rogah]

and I've been saying it all year....

Funny thing is I think Alabama is a national championship contender and they will roll over Ohio State. But I am so sick and tired of hearing how wonderful the entire conference is - not to mention absolutely nauseated at hearing the national media fawn all over the SEC West.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

B A Y L O R?

 

[CowboyChris]

TCU enough said

 

[Rogah]

TCU enough said

Amen.

Texas Christian: 42
Team-who-beat-Alabama: 3

 

[DFWJC]

Different teams have different incentives in bowl games. That's one of the many reasons playoffs are good.
Not that ole miss was all that great down the stretch anyway, but they (andOklahoma, etc) were not into it.
TCU is really good though. They would've done just fine in the playoffs...no idea if they would have won or not, but they were sure good enough to be in the conversation.

Miami beat New England...hey maybe they should be the #1 seed!

 

[Seabo]

Hyperbole wins the day.

The SEC West was 5-1 against the Big 12 this year but they are clearly overrated for going 2-4 in bowl games so far.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Love this thread.

 

[Rogah]

Different teams have different incentives in bowl games.

Yeah? And what was Ole Miss' incentive to lose 42-3?

Miami beat New England...hey maybe they should be the #1 seed!

Yeah. Sure. All you have to do is ignore the fact that New England went 12-4 and Miami went 8-8.

A better analogy would be saying Dallas, Seattle, GB, NE and Denver all went 12-4. But since Seattle and Denver were the 2 best teams in the NFL last year, let's just send them straight back to the Super Bowl this year..!! That's what voters and the playoff committee do for the SEC.

 

[Rogah]

B A Y L O R?

I think Baylor was what we thought they were: a legit top 10, top 15 team but not playoff worthy.

 

[StarMan2112]

and I've been saying it all year....

Funny thing is I think Alabama is a national championship contender and they will roll over Ohio State. But I am so sick and tired of hearing how wonderful the entire conference is - not to mention absolutely nauseated at hearing the national media fawn all over the SEC West.

When you have won 7 of the last 8 national titles you tend to get a little recognition.

 

[Rogah]

When you have won 7 of the last 8 national titles you tend to get a little recognition.

That's my point. This isn't 2008. This isn't even 2012. It's 2014 (well, the 2014 season). The SEC just wasn't that good this year. Heck I've been calling them overrated all year, and they were even worse than I thought since I thought Alabama would at least get by Ohio State.

If TCU was named "Alabama" or "Auburn" or "Florida" they would have been playing in the playoffs.

 

[Future]

That's my point. This isn't 2008. This isn't even 2012. It's 2014 (well, the 2014 season). The SEC just wasn't that good this year. Heck I've been calling them overrated all year, and they were even worse than I thought since I thought Alabama would at least get by Ohio State.

If TCU was named "Alabama" or "Auburn" or "Florida" they would have been playing in the playoffs.

Try not to hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

Regardless of Bama losing, it's still the best, deepest conference in college football. I don't really see how you can make an argument against that.

What conference is better? Big 10? Big 12? Pac 12?

I see a lot of people coming out and saying the SEC was overrated yada yada, and they may be right. But I'm yet to see a legit point be made about what conference is better. The only difference between this year and years past is that the gap isn't as big as usual.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Florida State for sure proved that they were highly over-rated.

They got behind, again, like they've done all year but I knew last night that when they fell behind this wouldn't be like the other games because Oregon would just continue to put the pedal down and kill them.

 

[jterrell]

When you have won 7 of the last 8 national titles you tend to get a little recognition.

Only problem with that statement is is helps to get an automatic bid every year to the game before the season starts....
And FWIW that's 2 years in a row they haven't won it.
That stretch of 7 came with 5 of those SEC winning teams having 1 loss.
Which means they got VOTED into the game.
LSU won a title with TWO losses.

So yea that is a lot less impressive than it seems.

In 2010 TCU and Auburn both finished undefeated and TCU was crowned by a least a few media outlets as Champ.

Let's see what the SEC does now that it is playoff.

 

[DFWJC]

It's not like the Big 12 has dominated the post season either.

Let's have some perspective here.

I think we all agree that it's good that there is at least some form of playoff and most of us would like to see 8 teams eventually.
Hindsite...is what it is.

 

[jterrell]

It's not like the Big 12 has dominated the post season either.

Let's have some perspective here.

I think we all agree that it's good that there is at least some form of playoff and most of us would like to see 8 teams eventually.
Hindsite...is what it is.

Not sure one has much to do with the other.
Both conferences have had a bad post season run but the SEC is the one that was supposed to be NFL lite.

OU, UT, OSU, WVA all lost QBs to injury. That middle tier of schools in the Big 12 fell off horridly because of that.
The SEC west had one QB issue and it was very late with Ole Miss. The other guys were season long starters or 5 star back ups that were biding time.

The key take away should be not to overrate the SEC next season in the Pre-season.
Let's not see LSU at number 5 before we even know who the QB will be for instance.
And is some previously unranked SEC team who has beaten 3 teams ranked outside the top 100 then beats two SEC teams how about we not vault them to number 1???

 

[DFWJC]

Not sure one has much to do with the other.
Both conferences have had a bad post season run but the SEC is the one that was supposed to be NFL lite.

OU, UT, OSU, WVA all lost QBs to injury. That middle tier of schools in the Big 12 fell off horridly because of that.
The SEC west had one QB issue and it was very late with Ole Miss. The other guys were season long starters or 5 star back ups that were biding time.

The key take away should be not to overrate the SEC next season in the Pre-season.
Let's not see LSU at number 5 before we even know who the QB will be for instance.
And is some previously unranked SEC team who has beaten 3 teams ranked outside the top 100 then beats two SEC teams how about we not vault them to number 1???

I guess we kind of agree.
I'm certainly not an SEC fan. And yes, they do get overrated some at times. But then again, I do think they're very good. Even the bottom dweller Arkansas in the West was a good team.
Ole Miss just started to crumble late and pretty much fell apart I their blowout loss. Weird things sometimes happen in these bowls, and do every year.

The rest of the SEC for the most part were not terrible by any means.

btw, LSU was ranked 13th preseason in the AP and 12th in the USA Today.
Oklahoma was ranked 4th and 3rd.

I get your premise though and would be fine if there were no preseason polls at all.
Teams get pumped up based on either their schools past reputation ort he conference rep in general.

 

[jterrell]

I guess we kind of agree.
I'm certainly not an SEC fan. And yes, they do get overrated some at times. But then again, I do think they're very good. Even the bottom dweller Arkansas in the West was a good team.
Ole Miss just started to crumble late and pretty much fell apart I their blowout loss. Weird things sometimes happen in these bowls, and do every year.

The rest of the SEC for the most part were not terrible by any means.

btw, LSU was ranked 13th preseason in the AP and 12th in the USA Today.
Oklahoma was ranked 4th and 3rd.

I get your premise though and would be fine if there were no preseason polls at all.
Teams get pumped up based on either their schools past reputation ort he conference rep in general.

Yea, I think we are basically seeing the same things.
My point about preseason rankings remain in that example however.
OU was ranked very high largely because they roflstomped Bama and brought back the key players from that team.
LSU was ranked 13th and no one knew who the QB was and were expected to start a true freshman stud RB as their offensive bellcow.

FWIW this isn't johnny come lately kneejerk for me.
I stated before the season I thought the SEC would come down to QB play and guessed Ole Miss might take it.

The SEC West didn't have any dogs but Arkansas getting lauded as the last place team is a bit unfair.
Arkansas lost to Bama by 1 and to TAMU in OT. They got hosed with Missou and Georgia as their otr of division SEC games while LSU whom they shut out got Kentucky and a very down Florida.
TAMU is basically TAMU. They can score with anyone but have a pretty bad defense. Their games come down to turnovers.

My biggest complaint about the SEC is the crazy scheduling disparity between teams in the same division.
Arkansas had one of the toughest schedules in the country and fought it tooth and nail. They were clearly better than their record indicated.

The SEC is the best conference, but it isn't the best conference every year(this year it was the Pac 12) and it isn't the best by the margin people assume.

I really think if we got to 8 or 12 teams this nonsense wouldn't matter as much.
More teams would get to state their case on the biggest stages the way Oregon and OSU did last night.

BTW, as good as Sabin truly he is has struggled versus spread/tempo teams with mobile QBs for long enough now to where he needs to address that.
At least if everyone is gonna assume he is one of the handful of greatest coaches to ever coach NCAA football.

 

[Rogah]

Try not to hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

Well, someone has to.

Regardless of Bama losing, it's still the best, deepest conference in college football. I don't really see how you can make an argument against that.

Here's the argument against that:

TCU 42, Ole Miss 3
Notre Dame 31, LSU 28
Georgia Tech 49, Miss. State 34
Wisconsin 34, Auburn 31
Ohio State 42, Alabama 35

What was the SEC's most impressive bowl victory? Louisville? Don't make me laugh.

I see a lot of people coming out and saying the SEC was overrated yada yada, and they may be right. But I'm yet to see a legit point be made about what conference is better. The only difference between this year and years past is that the gap isn't as big as usual.

Big 10 and Pac-12 are both better top-to-bottom this year than the SEC.

The only thing more overrated than the SEC was the almighty SEC-west.

 

[Rogah]

Only problem with that statement is is helps to get an automatic bid every year to the game before the season starts....

+1 +1 +1 Exactly. When 1 conference gets an automatic pass to the tBCS Championship game, then obviously we are going to see skewed results. It was especially pathetic when we had SEC vs. SEC in the BCS title game.

Now don't get me wrong; there were a couple years over the past decade when the SEC was as good as they say. But those days are long gone and nobody in the media seems to have noticed. Hopefully this year provided the smack in the head they needed.