How do you spell overrated?

[Rogah]

I guess we kind of agree.
I'm certainly not an SEC fan. And yes, they do get overrated some at times. But then again, I do think they're very good. Even the bottom dweller Arkansas in the West was a good team.
Ole Miss just started to crumble late and pretty much fell apart I their blowout loss. Weird things sometimes happen in these bowls, and do every year.

The rest of the SEC for the most part were not terrible by any means.

btw, LSU was ranked 13th preseason in the AP and 12th in the USA Today.
Oklahoma was ranked 4th and 3rd.

And South Carolina was #6. Then everyone went ga-ga for A&M when they whupped South Carolina. "Hey! A&M just whupped the #6 team in the nation! So let's make them #6!!" Then, 4 weeks later, it turned out the A&M-S.Carolina game was just another matchup between 2 mediocre also-rans.

 

[Future]

Well, someone has to.
Here's the argument against that:

TCU 42, Ole Miss 3
Notre Dame 31, LSU 28
Georgia Tech 49, Miss. State 34
Wisconsin 34, Auburn 31
Ohio State 42, Alabama 35

What was the SEC's most impressive bowl victory? Louisville? Don't make me laugh.
Big 10 and Pac-12 are both better top-to-bottom this year than the SEC.

ok...
Michigan State 42, Baylor 41
Boise St. 38, Arizona 30
Clemson 40, Oklahoma 6
Mizzou 33, Minny 17
Arkansas 31, Texas 7
Texas A&M 45, WVU 38

You can't just point out the SEC's losses and ignore all of the losses from other conferences. Doesn't work that way.

And not for nothing, but teams with losing records in the SEC beat two teams with winning records in the Big 12. That's pretty telling about conference depth. And again, short of just saying "The SEC lost X games," there's no argument that either of those conferences mentioned are better. Both have bowl losses, both had teams that lost in the regular season...just b/c you say so doesn't make it true.

 

[Rogah]

ok...
Michigan State 42, Baylor 41
Boise St. 38, Arizona 30
Clemson 40, Oklahoma 6
Mizzou 33, Minny 17
Arkansas 31, Texas 7
Texas A&M 45, WVU 38

You can't just point out the SEC's losses and ignore all of the losses from other conferences. Doesn't work that way.

Here's the key difference: Those other conferences actually have impressive wins..!!

The Big-10 had 2 victories against teams ranked in the top-10. The Pac-12 had 1 victory against a top-5 team. Like I said before, what's the SEC's biggest win? Louisville? The best of the SEC lost and in some cases, lost BIG. Oh and let's not forget the spanking the ACC delivered to the SEC Thanksgiving weekend.

And not for nothing, but teams with losing records in the SEC beat two teams with winning records in the Big 12. That's pretty telling about conference depth.

Except I never said the Big 12 was deeper than the SEC. I said the Pac-12 and Big 10 were.

But seriously, bro.... you're thumping your chest because the SEC beat Texas. Congratulations on a victory which would have been impressive 10 years ago.

No I really mean it. Can't wait until next year to see the SEC beat up on such mighty non-conference opponents as Charleston Southern, Middle Tennessee, Jacksonville State, Idaho, UT Martin, Northwestern State (that's Northwestern State, not Northwestern), Southeast Missouri State and Southern.

 

[DFWJC]

And South Carolina was #6. Then everyone went ga-ga for A&M when they whupped South Carolina. "Hey! A&M just whupped the #6 team in the nation! So let's make them #6!!" Then, 4 weeks later, it turned out the A&M-S.Carolina game was just another matchup between 2 mediocre also-rans.

Yeah.
Preseason polls are silly

 

[Rogah]

Let's see what the SEC does now that it is playoff.

Ironically, if we still had the BCS formula, then the championship game would have been Alabama-FSU (the two teams who lost yesterday).

 

[jterrell]

Well, someone has to.
Here's the argument against that:

TCU 42, Ole Miss 3
Notre Dame 31, LSU 28
Georgia Tech 49, Miss. State 34
Wisconsin 34, Auburn 31
Ohio State 42, Alabama 35

What was the SEC's most impressive bowl victory? Louisville? Don't make me laugh.
Big 10 and Pac-12 are both better top-to-bottom this year than the SEC.

The only thing more overrated than the SEC was the almighty SEC-west.

The bottom two teams in the SEC West won bowl games and the top 5 ALL lost.
That says to me the SEC West had great depth but everyone assuming it's winner was a top 5 team was simply mistaken.
Bama beat the last place SEC West team by 1 point.
They also beat 5th place SEC West LSU in OT.

 

[jterrell]

Ironically, if we still had the BCS formula, then the championship game would have been Alabama-FSU (the two teams who lost yesterday).

Yup, nothing to me says expand more than this.

If the assumed top team was to win every year it might be pretty meaningless but in year 1 when the two teams that would have been left out win it makes you go, hmmmm.

 

[DFWJC]

The bottom two teams in the SEC West won bowl games and the top 5 ALL lost.
That says to me the SEC West had great depth but everyone assuming it's winner was a top 5 team was simply mistaken.
Bama beat the last place SEC West team by 1 point.
They also beat 5th place SEC West LSU in OT.

You don't think Alabama was even a top 5 team?
really?

Great night for the Buckeyes last night, but still....

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

The real problem is, the playoff system is too small. Four teams is a joke. Teams like TCU and Michigan State should still be alive and able to advance. The playoff system should be based on the season final Top Ten.

 

[Future]

Here's the key difference: Those other conferences actually have impressive wins..!!

The Big-10 had 2 victories against teams ranked in the top-10. The Pac-12 had 1 victory against a top-5 team. Like I said before, what's the SEC's biggest win? Louisville? The best of the SEC lost and in some cases, lost BIG. Oh and let's not forget the spanking the ACC delivered to the SEC Thanksgiving weekend.
Except I never said the Big 12 was deeper than the SEC. I said the Pac-12 and Big 10 were.

But seriously, bro.... you're thumping your chest because the SEC beat Texas. Congratulations on a victory which would have been impressive 10 years ago.

No I really mean it. Can't wait until next year to see the SEC beat up on such mighty non-conference opponents as Charleston Southern, Middle Tennessee, Jacksonville State, Idaho, UT Martin, Northwestern State (that's Northwestern State, not Northwestern), Southeast Missouri State and Southern.

For every impressive win there's a bad loss in all of the conferences. It's pretty constant that when people bash on the SEC they simply ignore the same things that happen in other conferences. Is Bama losing to Ohio State worse than Arizona losing to Boise? Is Auburn losing any worse than Oklahoma getting hammered by Clemson? And all of the big win things only includes Bowl Season...you're skipping the past three months when SEC teams knock each other out of the top 5-10 regularly.

Beyond wins and losses...if you just watch SEC games vs. any other conference, I don't see how you can come away thinking it isn't the best conference in football. Do people seriously watch Oregon beat the hell out of the entire pac 12 year in and year out and really think the Pac 12 is a better conference than the SEC? If you take the top 10 of each of the three conferences...how is it even possible to say the SEC isn't the best conference in football....

SEC - Bama, Mizzou, Georga, Ole Miss, Auburn, LSU, Miss St., Florida, S Car, Tennessee
Big 10 - Ohio State, Mich State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Minnesota, Maryland, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, Michigan
Pac 12 - Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Cal, Oregon St.

...you can make a case for the Pac 12 I suppose but I just don't see it.

I'm not even a SEC fan so kill the chest thumping talk, bro.

 

[Future]

The real problem is, the playoff system is too small. Four teams is a joke. Teams like TCU and Michigan State should still be alive and able to advance. The playoff system should be based on the season final Top Ten.

Then teams 11-12 are going to make the same argument as Baylor and TCU.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

The bottom two teams in the SEC West won bowl games and the top 5 ALL lost.
That says to me the SEC West had great depth but everyone assuming it's winner was a top 5 team was simply mistaken.
Bama beat the last place SEC West team by 1 point.
They also beat 5th place SEC West LSU in OT.

It depends on what makes a conference (or a division) the "best." I think top-to-bottom the SEC (particularly the West) is probably the best. That means the worst team in the SEC West (Arkansas) is a pretty good team. But I don't think the SEC had any elite teams this year. Alabama was the only team that you could make a legitimate argument as being a top 10 team. The other teams weren't even close. Ole Miss and Miss St were in talks for making the playoffs with only a few weeks to go. Those teams were nowhere near the top teams in the country. The other conferences are more top heavy. They have one or two teams who you could consider elite, a few mid-tier teams, and some awful teams that are the door mats of their respective conference. There are no door mats in the SEC, but then again, I don't think there were any elite teams this year. People are defending Alabama now that it's said and done, but I've been hearing people say all season that Alabama is overrated and not the team they used to be. Now, all of a sudden when it's clear that the other SEC teams are nowhere near elite, everyone wants to defend Bama. The thing I most have a problem with is anointing teams before anything is known about them. If I recall correctly, LSU, South Carolina and some other SEC teams were highly ranked going into the season and throughout the season, even after some embarrassing losses. While teams like Minnesota had to play well all year before finally cracking the top 25. It takes about 4 losses for a preseason highly ranked SEC team before the committee finally knocks them out of the top 25 and admits they got it wrong.

 

[viman96]

The SEC needs to play home/away games with the other top conferences. Stop this neutral site crap.

I think Oregon would be a top rated team in any conference. I think the same about Alabama and a handful of other teams. Does not mean their conference is better or deeper. The Pac12 is deep and so is the SEC. The Big 10 proved this week they are better than some gave them credit for. With Harbaugh going to Michigan you would expect them to improve as well.

The SEC and any other conference playing this hide and seek crap just need to stop. Thankfully the CFP ranking system will start to weed out teams that do this.

 

[Rogah]

The bottom two teams in the SEC West won bowl games and the top 5 ALL lost.
That says to me the SEC West had great depth but everyone assuming it's winner was a top 5 team was simply mistaken.
Bama beat the last place SEC West team by 1 point.
They also beat 5th place SEC West LSU in OT.

If you complete suck at the top of the conference but your 2 worst teams managed to win, you don't get to say you "have depth."

Seriously, brah. You're hanging your hat on a victory over Texas. Unfortunately for you, this ain't 2005.

 

[Rogah]

For every impressive win there's a bad loss in all of the conferences.

Really? I can think of 3 bad losses for the SEC. Tell me, where are the impressive wins?

It's pretty constant that when people bash on the SEC they simply ignore the same things that happen in other conferences. Is Bama losing to Ohio State worse than Arizona losing to Boise?

No, but Oregon beat Florida State which shows the strength of the Pac-12. Where is the SEC's marquee victory?

Is Auburn losing any worse than Oklahoma getting hammered by Clemson?

No, but TCU spanked Ole Miss which shows the strength of the Big 12. Where is the SEC's marquee victory?

Every conference had some tough losses, but the SEC had no impressive wins. Sorry but when your best win is against Louisville, big deal.

Beyond wins and losses...if you just watch SEC games vs. any other conference, I don't see how you can come away thinking it isn't the best conference in football. Do people seriously watch Oregon beat the hell out of the entire pac 12 year in and year out and really think the Pac 12 is a better conference than the SEC?

Well the ACC spanked the SEC 4-0 Thanksgiving weekend, and all the top SEC teams lost over the past 2 days, some in humiliating fashion.

Do you SEC apologists even, like, ya know, actually watch football??!?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

D E R E K J E T E R

 

[Future]

Really? I can think of 3 bad losses for the SEC. Tell me, where are the impressive wins?
No, but Oregon beat Florida State which shows the strength of the Pac-12. Where is the SEC's marquee victory?
No, but TCU spanked Ole Miss which shows the strength of the Big 12. Where is the SEC's marquee victory?

Every conference had some tough losses, but the SEC had no impressive wins. Sorry but when your best win is against Louisville, big deal.
Well the ACC spanked the SEC 4-0 Thanksgiving weekend, and all the top SEC teams lost over the past 2 days, some in humiliating fashion.

Do you SEC apologists even, like, ya know, actually watch football??!?

Stop picking and choosing handfuls of games.

Watching football and not scoreboards is exactly what makes me think the SEC is better. Good grief. I'm still YET to hear a case for another conference. Its SEC is bad because of this, SEC is overrated because of that. Someone, someday, make a case for another conference being deeper. Top teams lose to top teams, marquee wins are indicative of exactly 0, especially on bowl weekend. So please, tell me what conference has a whole bunch of these marquee wins and no bad losses to counter them.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Stop picking and choosing handfuls of games.

Watching football and not scoreboards is exactly what makes me think the SEC is better. Good grief. I'm still YET to hear a case for another conference. Its SEC is bad because of this, SEC is overrated because of that. Someone, someday, make a case for another conference being deeper. Top teams lose to top teams, marquee wins are indicative of exactly 0, especially on bowl weekend. So please, tell me what conference has a whole bunch of these marquee wins and no bad losses to counter them.

 

[Seabo]

What seems to be missed here is how most conferences don't have a 3rd or 4th best team that could consistantly compete in the top half of the SEC.

The Big 12 is the easiest to start with. Kansas State lost to Auburn, W.Virgina lost to A&M and Texas lost to Arkansas.

The Big 10 is not much better. Wisconsin is #3 and lost to LSU but beat Auburn in overtime, so they are competitive against #6 and #7 in the SEC.

The ACC is near the same spot at the Big 10, Ga Tech beat Miss St (SEC# 3) and Georgia (SEC# 4) while Clemson lost to Georgia but beat South Carolina (SEC# 11). After that comes Louisville and Duke, who don't seem to matter very much.

The Pac-12 is hardest to guage against the SEC because of a lack of common games. I'll admit I am a fan of a Pac-12 team, but I hate the other 11 teams enough that I don't feel like I could be biased in their favor. UCLA came the closest with wins over Texas and Kansas State. There were a few losses that didn't look good (Stanford loss to ND, USC loss to Rutgers, Arizona loss to Boise State) but I would probably put the top half of the Pac-12 on par with the top half of the SEC.

 

[Rogah]

Stop picking and choosing handfuls of games.

Are you serious here? I am not "picking and choosing". I am talking about the biggest bowl games including the playoffs.

The only person picking and choosing is the one who thinks we should all be impressed because Arkansas beat Texas.

. Top teams lose to top teams, marquee wins are indicative of exactly 0, especially on bowl weekend.

I just don't know how to respond to this level of idiocy.

Yeah. Sure. OK, buddy. Alabama losing and Auburn losing and Ole Miss and Mississippi State getting spanked is indicative of exactly 0. Sure thing. But hey, Arkansas beat Texas so the SEC is the best!!!