How does Dak Prescott compare to other great QB’s of this era?

[pansophy]

Go to time index :45. Dak to Butler.

Couple of examples. Deep ball passes, pass to the sidelines. What next? On the move passes?

Okay the first was 8-9 yards from scrimmage and Butler's was 25, and both are a simple straight route. Not so easy to find an intermediate pass to the sideline. Doesn't throw back shoulder, and doesn't throw with the WR running towards the sideline unless it's under 10 yards. Nobody ever has to work to catch the ball and keep their feet in bounds, unless Dak has rolled out and is throwing outside the pocket.

It's okay to admit he can't make all the throws yet. I just don't want to pay him top dollar if he can't and we have to figure out how to make defenses pay for clogging the middle of the field to take away inside routes. Maybe that will be more go routes. With more speed on the outside maybe that will be effective and Dak has shown he can throw those.

 

[erod]

Throw to the sidelines while in pocket? Sure. There are many videos of him doing that beyond 20 yards.

Those aren't the throws. Those are just go routes, which virtually every quarterback in the NFL can throw.

It's about deep 10 to 15 yard out routes (like Michael Irvin ran all the time) and seam routes behind linebackers and in front of safeties. Those are the throws that separate NFL quarterbacks.

There's only one read on a go route. If the safety doesn't shade over quick enough, you throw it. Other deep routes require far more accuracy and reads.

 

[pugilist]

 

[Hennessy_King]

Those aren't the throws. Those are just go routes, which virtually every quarterback in the NFL can throw.

It's about deep 10 to 15 yard out routes (like Michael Irvin ran all the time) and seam routes behind linebackers and in front of safeties. Those are the throws that separate NFL quarterbacks.

There's only one read on a go route. If the safety doesn't shade over quick enough, you throw it. Other deep routes require far more accuracy and reads.

Agreed Dak needs to get that out route down that is what separates nfl qbs. Now I wonder if it is the receivers or the routes called that limits this. I know Dez couldn't run an out to save his life and T will is meh. Not giving the wr's 100% of the blame, but they didn't help.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Itd be nice to have a QB that other teams feared

 

[erod]

Agreed Dak needs to get that out route down that is what separates nfl qbs. Now I wonder if it is the receivers or the routes called that limits this. I know Dez couldn't run an out to save his life and T will is meh. Not giving the wr's 100% of the blame, but they didn't help.

They've got to develop a strategy to get these defenses to back off and play base. If Dak can connect with some guys on intermediate routes early in games, that will help a lot.

Teams are going to rush him flat and key on Zeke. Poor defenses will get steamrolled anyway, but the good ones will force Dak to make them pay for their over-commitment.

Tavon Austin could help with this. They need to move him around and create distraction. I do think Swaim will catch quite a few balls this year. But they need to get some receivers the ball downfield, and not on just 50/50 go routes.

 

[Hennessy_King]

They've got to develop a strategy to get these defenses to back off and play base. If Dak can connect with some guys on intermediate routes early in games, that will help a lot.

Teams are going to rush him flat and key on Zeke. Poor defenses will get steamrolled anyway, but the good ones will force Dak to make them pay for their over-commitment.

Tavon Austin could help with this. They need to move him around and create distraction. I do think Swaim will catch quite a few balls this year. But they need to get some receivers the ball downfield, and not on just 50/50 go routes.

Exactly. If we have a TE that can stretch the seam or a deep ball guy like we had in brice butler who actually when playing made alot of plays for us. I was sad to see this staff wouldn't get him on the field more I thought him and dak had some chemistry. You are spot on though. I like what I've seen from gallup tho this kid can get open anywhere on the field.

 

[erod]

Exactly. If we have a TE that can stretch the seam or a deep ball guy like we had in brice butler who actually when playing made alot of plays for us. I was sad to see this staff wouldn't get him on the field more I thought him and dak had some chemistry. You are spot on though. I like what I've seen from gallup tho this kid can get open anywhere on the field.

Gallup and Hurns.

Dak's strength is his preparedness and leadership. I think it could help him a lot if he COMPLETELY trusts his receiver to run exact routes the proper distances. A 12-yard out is very different than a 14-yard out. Dez never understood that, and Terrance and Butler didn't either. Enough with the jump ball guys.

Hurns, Gallup, and possibly Lenoir are more precise players. At least, that's my observation and sincere hope.

However, these aren't elite guys that can create big separation, so while they will run the right routes, it's going to take very precise throws like Aikman and Romo threw.

Dak has to prove he can make those throws on time and on target consistently. If he can, defenses will have to back off because a catch could very well mean a touchdown.

Not every now and then. Consistently. Or at least consistently enough. He doesn't have to be Aaron Rodgers, but he does have to be less one-dimensional from the pocket.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Dak was very much a big part of our loss us due to the extremely poor play in the first half. QB play, defense, coaches failed the first half.

2nd half they all did much better but it was too late. And it doesn't help to throw a pick when we're down 28-13 in the 3rd. Was this also the game where this team was settling for a fg instead of going for a TD when they were moving the ball well until they got into fg range?

Brought us back and had us in the lead until our idiot coach and defense took over.

 

[InTheZone]

Brought us back and had us in the lead until our idiot coach and defense took over.

Yup, but with the deficit it wasn't possible for a comeback if the defense and playcalling don't clamp down like they did. That's why I said they all played their part in losing us the game early, then helped a comeback but it was too little too late. At one point Dak was under 50% completions through the 2nd quarter. And our scapegoat was the bright spot of our offense that day.

 

[aikemirv]

In his 3rd season, Dak is an MVP candidate. You can can just accept that fact now or have it rubbed in you face at the end of the season.

Who says he is an MVP candidate? I did not know there was a preseason list. I mean technically every player in the NFL is an MVP candidate before the first ball is snapped!

 

[HungryLion]

I would characterize Dak more as “good” than “ok”.

But I think even the biggest Dak proponents will readily admit that Zeke is the engine of the offense. As he should be, considering his draft status and how much investment has been made in creating running lanes for him. Zeke being the focal point of the offense shouldn’t be seen as a negative. It’s by design. He is an absolute stud and the prototypical NFL workhorse running back. It only makes sense to build the offense around him.

 

[Diehardblues]

Super Bowl or Bust. Same as every Cowboy QB.

There’s only one measuring stick with the Cowboys.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Zeke and then destruction and despair.....didn't we witness this when he went out last season?

 

[Diehardblues]

We bashed Merideth into early retirement after leading us to our 1st 2 NFL Title games.

We benched then traded Morton after leading us to our 1st Super Bowl. And he was first QB to lead 2 different teams to a SB.

We bashed Danny after leading us to 3 straight championship games.

We bashed Romo after breaking most of the franchise passing records.

 

[Diehardblues]

History has proven Cowboy fans don’t get too attached to our QB’s until they win a championship or until we reflect back on their careers after they’re done.

The Cowboys have appeared in championship games in every decade of their existence until the 21st Century. The bar is high here even though Jerry has tried to lower it.

Popularity without the success of winning championships isn’t going to float long with our fan base. We’re only loyal to winners. Sorry..

 

[Hardline]

Dak is still a WORK IN PROGRESS.
It's that simple.

 

[Klingo3034]

Okay the first was 8-9 yards from scrimmage and Butler's was 25, and both are a simple straight route. Not so easy to find an intermediate pass to the sideline. Doesn't throw back shoulder, and doesn't throw with the WR running towards the sideline unless it's under 10 yards. Nobody ever has to work to catch the ball and keep their feet in bounds, unless Dak has rolled out and is throwing outside the pocket.

It's okay to admit he can't make all the throws yet. I just don't want to pay him top dollar if he can't and we have to figure out how to make defenses pay for clogging the middle of the field to take away inside routes. Maybe that will be more go routes. With more speed on the outside maybe that will be effective and Dak has shown he can throw those.

Okay the first was 8-9 yards from scrimmage and Butler's was 25, and both are a simple straight route. Not so easy to find an intermediate pass to the sideline. Doesn't throw back shoulder, and doesn't throw with the WR running towards the sideline unless it's under 10 yards. Nobody ever has to work to catch the ball and keep their feet in bounds, unless Dak has rolled out and is throwing outside the pocket.

It's okay to admit he can't make all the throws yet. I just don't want to pay him top dollar if he can't and we have to figure out how to make defenses pay for clogging the middle of the field to take away inside routes. Maybe that will be more go routes. With more speed on the outside maybe that will be effective and Dak has shown he can throw those.

Go to time index 2:35. Dak to Dez back shoulder throw. What else do you want to be wrong about?

 

[Klingo3034]

Those aren't the throws. Those are just go routes, which virtually every quarterback in the NFL can throw.

It's about deep 10 to 15 yard out routes (like Michael Irvin ran all the time) and seam routes behind linebackers and in front of safeties. Those are the throws that separate NFL quarterbacks.

There's only one read on a go route. If the safety doesn't shade over quick enough, you throw it. Other deep routes require far more accuracy and reads.

Oh you mean this throw from Dak to Beasley? Time index :20

 

[Klingo3034]

Or was it these throws.