How does Dak Prescott compare to other great QB’s of this era?

[Klingo3034]

Show me the passes. I've seen two such throws in 2-on-2 action, but that's it. They were good throws with the WR running toward the sideline. Loved it and totally what we need IMO. Other than that I haven't seen a throw attempted by Dak like that.

Go route - yes
Rolling out of pocket to intermediate route - yes
In pocket to intermediate outside route - haven't seen them

Throw to the sidelines while in pocket? Sure. There are many videos of him doing that beyond 20 yards.

 

[Klingo3034]

 

[keysersoze]

I'd be okay if we can scheme out of those throws too, rather than Dak having to be able to throw them. Maybe faster WRs on the outside will allow better success on go routes, and Dak has shown he can throw those. Maybe just having so many targets will do the trick -- last year if you take away Witten and Beasley inside there were only a few routes that Dez and Williams could run that Dak could consistently throw (mainly 'in' type routes). So with more targets maybe there just isn't one or two guys defenses can shut down and things open up again.

We just have to do something to keep defenses from clogging the middle again. And I didn't see anything from Rush or White in the first preseason game to make me think that they can throw those routes any better than Dak. Dak felt like the starter to me, even with just 3 throws.

Good points. Maybe this is why we have drafted and acquired WRs with many different skill sets? Hopefully our OC will deploy them correctly and effectively to their strengths instead of forcing his ideology upon them. I’ve got a good feeling about this season tho.

 

[keysersoze]

Throw to the sidelines while in pocket? Sure. There are many videos of him doing that beyond 20 yards.

Cameras don’t lie!!!!

 

[Buzzbait]

I don't know why there is so much resistance to the fact that Dak just isn't a top 5 passer. Didn't take a 7 step drop without play action until week 14 of season 1 because his footwork wasn't ready for it; can hit Witten and Beasley in the middle of the field until the defense just clogged the middle of the field and forced balls to the outside; unable to get Dez the ball unless he ran some kind of "in" route or slant.
Sure people blame Dez for that but Romo didn't have that problem getting the ball to Dez.

I wouldn't want to pay franchise money for a guy who can't throw to an outside WR 10-20 yards downfield. I can't tell yet if Dak is working to improve that part of his game or if the plan is to scheme around it now by using more 10 personnel. Either way we need a solution to defenses clogging the middle of the field.

Dez wasn't there during Romo's 2nd year. Not only that, an experienced Romo was throwing to Dez back during Dez's prime.
You're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[pansophy]

Throw to the sidelines while in pocket? Sure. There are many videos of him doing that beyond 20 yards.

Throw to the sidelines while in pocket? Sure. There are many videos of him doing that beyond 20 yards.

Yes, he can thrown a go route downfield. That's also the throw he made in the preseason game. He has shown he can throw that pass.

Show me the passes that go no farther than 20 yards, but more than 10 yards -- those intermediate throws along the sideline. Show me a pass where the WR has to tiptoe to keep both feet in bounds, WHILE Prescott is in the pocket -- there are a few of those when he rolls out. These intermediate throws where he attacks the sidelines are the throws that keep defenses from simply clogging the middle of the field. That's what happened last year, and even though they were protecting the middle of the field leaving the outside exposed, we still don't see those passes.

So one way or another that needs to change this year because if defenses continue to clog the middle and we don't have an answer for that we are going to have inconsistent offense again and struggle big time on 3rd and long.

 

[pansophy]

Dez wasn't there during Romo's 2nd year. Not only that, Romo was throwing to Dez back during Dez's prime!

No, but in Romo's first two years as a starter TO had 28 TDs. Dez's stats also fell off a cliff when Romo went out so hard to say that he just suddenly declined at the exact moment a rookie QB came on the seen.

 

[keysersoze]

Dez wasn't there during Romo's 2nd year. Not only that, an experienced Romo was throwing to Dez back during Dez's prime.
You're comparing apples to oranges.

Plus Romo had TO and J Witten in his prime. Terry Glenn and Crayton. A far more superior group than Dak had.

 

[keysersoze]

No, but in Romo's first two years as a starter TO had 28 TDs. Dez's stats also fell off a cliff when Romo went out so hard to say that he just suddenly declined at the exact moment a rookie QB came on the seen.

Dez started declining in 2015. Seems like he never fully recovered

 

[pansophy]

Plus Romo has TO and J Witten in his prime. Terry Glenn and Crayton. A far more superior group than Dak had.

That's fair. Also can argue that Dak has been far more careful with the ball then Romo was, especially in his first years. So Dak has less TDs but he also has far less INTs than Romo did in his first two years starting. Even in a less than ideal circumstances Dak managed a 2-1 TD to INT ratio last year. It's hard to upset about that.

 

[keysersoze]

That's fair. Also can argue that Dak has been far more careful with the ball then Romo was, especially in his first years. So Dak has less TDs but he also has far less INTs than Romo did in his first two years starting. Even in a less than ideal circumstances Dak managed a 2-1 TD to INT ratio last year. It's hard to upset about that.

True.... And that’s the big difference. Dak’s game is to protect the ball and use his legs to move the chains when all else fails. Romo was a gunslinger who took many risks. Some good. Some bad. But that was how he played. I believe Dak will gain confidence and take more shots. But he’ll never be the daredevil Romo was at quarterback.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

That's fair. Also can argue that Dak has been far more careful with the ball then Romo was, especially in his first years. So Dak has less TDs but he also has far less INTs than Romo did in his first two years starting. Even in a less than ideal circumstances Dak managed a 2-1 TD to INT ratio last year. It's hard to upset about that.

A little off on that 2-1 last year it was more like 1.6-1.7 to 1. Dak will need to improve on that this season if we are going to be successful

 

[keysersoze]

A little off on that 2-1 last year it was more like 1.6-1.7 to 1. Dak will need to improve on that this season if we are going to be successful

He will be.

 

[Buzzbait]

I don't know why there is so much resistance to the fact that Dak just isn't a top 5 passer. Didn't take a 7 step drop without play action until week 14 of season 1 because his footwork wasn't ready for it; can hit Witten and Beasley in the middle of the field until the defense just clogged the middle of the field and forced balls to the outside; unable to get Dez the ball unless he ran some kind of "in" route or slant. Sure people blame Dez for that but Romo didn't have that problem getting the ball to Dez.

I wouldn't want to pay franchise money for a guy who can't throw to an outside WR 10-20 yards downfield.
I can't tell yet if Dak is working to improve that part of his game or if the plan is to scheme around it now by using more 10 personnel. Either way we need a solution to defenses clogging the middle of the field.

I agree, I wouldn't either. Course in our 1st preseason game last Thursday Dak threw an excellent 30 yarder to an outside WR downfield for a TD, and I'M not even ready to pay him franchise money yet!
I just think he's earned the right to show us what he can do in his 3rd year without a swinging door at LT, and some WRs who know how to run routes. That, along with the additional experience, this year should give us a lot better reading on whether he's worth franchise money or not.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

I agree, I wouldn't either. Course in our 1st preseason game last Thursday Dak threw an excellent 30 yarder to an outside WR downfield for a TD, yet at this time I'M not even ready to pay him franchise money yet!
I just think he's earned the right to show us what he can do in his 3rd year without a swinging door at LT, and some WRs who know how to run routes. That, along with the additional experience, this year should give us a lot better reading on whether he's worth franchise money or not.

We will all know who Dak is after this season (including Dak)

 

[Them]

...I think Dak and the team will have a great season!

 

[Buzzbait]

...I think Dak and the team will have a great season!

You mean Dak isn't going to cause us to go 0-16? Hey I could get onboard with that!

 

[Klingo3034]

Yes, he can thrown a go route downfield. That's also the throw he made in the preseason game. He has shown he can throw that pass.

Show me the passes that go no farther than 20 yards, but more than 10 yards -- those intermediate throws along the sideline. Show me a pass where the WR has to tiptoe to keep both feet in bounds, WHILE Prescott is in the pocket -- there are a few of those when he rolls out. These intermediate throws where he attacks the sidelines are the throws that keep defenses from simply clogging the middle of the field. That's what happened last year, and even though they were protecting the middle of the field leaving the outside exposed, we still don't see those passes.

So one way or another that needs to change this year because if defenses continue to clog the middle and we don't have an answer for that we are going to have inconsistent offense again and struggle big time on 3rd and long.

Go to time index :45. Dak to Butler.

Couple of examples. Deep ball passes, pass to the sidelines. What next? On the move passes?

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Dak is the MAN!!! Look at these last year game stats that took us to the playoffs baby....when we needed him the MOST he was there for us.................and he's a true leader also baby after his speech prior to last years game vrs the Eagles at HOME we he showed how the team followed him to a Big win baby!!!! lol

 

[InTheZone]

Dak was not the reason we lost that playoff game. We'll see if he rebounds this year but that game told me he had leadership ability. Some have been waiting to pounce on him from year one.

Dak was very much a big part of our loss us due to the extremely poor play in the first half. QB play, defense, coaches failed the first half.

2nd half they all did much better but it was too late. And it doesn't help to throw a pick when we're down 28-13 in the 3rd. Was this also the game where this team was settling for a fg instead of going for a TD when they were moving the ball well until they got into fg range?