How does Dallas fix the DL?

[LatinMind]

Dallas needs pass rushers. But where Dallas will be drafting in round one all there is are tweeners, guys the size of Lawrence. And guys who are on par with Lawrence. Dallas doesnt need another RDE if they are going to go with Lawrence. And sure as hell dont need another DE the size of Lawrence. Am i the only one who thinks the best bet for the team is probably to look at FA? Do they just get these high motor types of guys in FA? Guys who hustle but arent superstars. Its clear Marinelli is not going to play the DL on high snap counts rather relying on a 1st unit and 2nd unit. Keeping the DL fresh.

RDE Mincey/Lawrence
LDE ?/Gardner/Boatright
3TECH Crawford/McClain/Coleman/Whaley
1TECH ?/Brent/Bishop/Okoye

How do the Cowboys fill in these 2 spots?

Not even going to worry about the 3TECH. Its fine.

Do the Cowboys switch McClain over to the 1TECH? The guy was awsome when on the field with Crawford. He was injured and we only got to see a few games where he was healthy. I wouldnt be mad to see he start over signing a high priced guy there. One guy i do like in FA would be Nick Fairley.

RDE i think is set. I think they will go with Mincey and Lawrence and let them battle it out. Dallas actually got decent production from that side of the DL. As a whole Dallas got 9 sacks from the both of them in the whole yr including playoffs. We saw a glimpse of what Lawrence could be. I think if he hits the weights and the filmroom he could start in 2015.

LDE is the problem IMO. No production at all this yr except for the last month that Spencer started to get his confidence. But unless he comes cheap, will he go with the money from another team? Hes going to be 31 on the 23rd. Its clear the team likes Spencer so does Make a move for a stud DE to play the strong side? Or draft a guy like Owamagbe Odighizuwa and sign Spencer and see what Garner has?

MY DL would look like:

RDE: Lawrence/Mincey/Odighizuwa
3TECH: Crawford/Coleman/Whaley
1TECH: McClain/Okoye/Bishop
LDE: JPP/Gardner

 

[dallasdave]

Dallas needs pass rushers. But where Dallas will be drafting in round one all there is are tweeners, guys the size of Lawrence. And guys who are on par with Lawrence. Dallas doesnt need another RDE if they are going to go with Lawrence. And sure as hell dont need another DE the size of Lawrence. Am i the only one who thinks the best bet for the team is probably to look at FA? Do they just get these high motor types of guys in FA? Guys who hustle but arent superstars. Its clear Marinelli is not going to play the DL on high snap counts rather relying on a 1st unit and 2nd unit. Keeping the DL fresh.

RDE Mincey/Lawrence
LDE ?/Gardner/Boatright
3TECH Crawford/McClain/Coleman/Whaley
1TECH ?/Brent/Bishop/Okoye

How do the Cowboys fill in these 2 spots?

Not even going to worry about the 3TECH. Its fine.

Do the Cowboys switch McClain over to the 1TECH? The guy was awsome when on the field with Crawford. He was injured and we only got to see a few games where he was healthy. I wouldnt be mad to see he start over signing a high priced guy there. One guy i do like in FA would be Nick Fairley.

RDE i think is set. I think they will go with Mincey and Lawrence and let them battle it out. Dallas actually got decent production from that side of the DL. As a whole Dallas got 9 sacks from the both of them in the whole yr including playoffs. We saw a glimpse of what Lawrence could be. I think if he hits the weights and the filmroom he could start in 2015.

LDE is the problem IMO. No production at all this yr except for the last month that Spencer started to get his confidence. But unless he comes cheap, will he go with the money from another team? Hes going to be 31 on the 23rd. Its clear the team likes Spencer so does Make a move for a stud DE to play the strong side? Or draft a guy like Owamagbe Odighizuwa and sign Spencer and see what Garner has?

MY DL would look like:

RDE: Lawrence/Mincey/Odighizuwa
3TECH: Crawford/Coleman/Whaley
1TECH: McClain/Okoye/Bishop
LDE: JPP/Gardner

Where's Mincey?

 

[LatinMind]

Where's Mincey?

I forgot to add him hes there. But i think people expecting to see the same production from Mincey next yr will be disappointed. This was a career yr for him. I dont think he will be a factor next yr. He started because basically there was nobody else.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They need at a minimum two pass rushers. Situational guys or whatever. They need someone who is going to go out there and get to the quarterback. I think you can expect guys like Crawford and Lawrence to continue to improve and that alone will help this line get better. But they need to go into the draft and find some edge rushers. I'm more concerned with that than any other part of our line.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I forgot to add him hes there. But i think people expecting to see the same production from Mincey next yr will be disappointed. This was a career yr for him. I dont think he will be a factor next yr. He started because basically there was nobody else.

I wouldn't expect it at his age but if we got the same production from him I wouldn't be shocked. But they should bring in a few guys to where they don't have to be as reliant on Mincey as they were towards the end of the season.

 

[speedkilz88]

I forgot to add him hes there. But i think people expecting to see the same production from Mincey next yr will be disappointed. This was a career yr for him. I dont think he will be a factor next yr. He started because basically there was nobody else.

2011 was his career year - 8 sacks

 

[cowboys1981]

We may be able to get 1DT Fairley and SDE McPhee for the same price or close to what we give JPP.

 

[craig71]

I could be wrong but I think revamping the defense is going to be a multi-year project. They are going to add a few pieces via the draft and free agency that will hopefully improve things in 2015. However, I don't see any realistic way to fill all the holes on the defensive side of the ball in one offseason. Just one opinion of many, but I am thinking that they will take a similar approach with the defense as they did with the offensive line.

Craig

 

[Alexander]

They need at a minimum two pass rushers. Situational guys or whatever. They need someone who is going to go out there and get to the quarterback. I think you can expect guys like Crawford and Lawrence to continue to improve and that alone will help this line get better. But they need to go into the draft and find some edge rushers. I'm more concerned with that than any other part of our line.

The pass rushers do not need to be situational rush ends. We just need at least 2-3 good DL, including interior players. It is good Crawford emerged, but if there were a quality 3T available, I would take that too to replace what we wanted out of Melton. Get better than Selvie, Hayden, McClain and even Mincey and the defense can finally start to be a little less soft.

 

[mahoneybill]

They need at a minimum two pass rushers. Situational guys or whatever. They need someone who is going to go out there and get to the quarterback. I think you can expect guys like Crawford and Lawrence to continue to improve and that alone will help this line get better. But they need to go into the draft and find some edge rushers. I'm more concerned with that than any other part of our line.

Agree. Our great & better defenses always had 2 and in some cases 3 who could get after the pass from the D Line. for example : Martin/Too Tall & Randy White... Haley/Jeffcoat/Hennings

 

[big dog cowboy]

Dallas needs pass rushers. But where Dallas will be drafting in round one all there is are tweeners, guys the size of Lawrence. And guys who are on par with Lawrence. Dallas doesnt need another RDE if they are going to go with Lawrence. And sure as hell dont need another DE the size of Lawrence. Am i the only one who thinks the best bet for the team is probably to look at FA?

You can find pass rushing DE's in other rounds besides the 1st round.

 

[Alexander]

2011 was his career year - 8 sacks

He could easily turn into Selvie next season.

 

[xwalker]

Dallas needs pass rushers. But where Dallas will be drafting in round one all there is are tweeners, guys the size of Lawrence. And guys who are on par with Lawrence. Dallas doesnt need another RDE if they are going to go with Lawrence. And sure as hell dont need another DE the size of Lawrence. Am i the only one who thinks the best bet for the team is probably to look at FA? Do they just get these high motor types of guys in FA? Guys who hustle but arent superstars. Its clear Marinelli is not going to play the DL on high snap counts rather relying on a 1st unit and 2nd unit. Keeping the DL fresh.

RDE Mincey/Lawrence
LDE ?/Gardner/Boatright
3TECH Crawford/McClain/Coleman/Whaley
1TECH ?/Brent/Bishop/Okoye

How do the Cowboys fill in these 2 spots?

Not even going to worry about the 3TECH. Its fine.

Do the Cowboys switch McClain over to the 1TECH? The guy was awsome when on the field with Crawford. He was injured and we only got to see a few games where he was healthy. I wouldnt be mad to see he start over signing a high priced guy there. One guy i do like in FA would be Nick Fairley.

RDE i think is set. I think they will go with Mincey and Lawrence and let them battle it out. Dallas actually got decent production from that side of the DL. As a whole Dallas got 9 sacks from the both of them in the whole yr including playoffs. We saw a glimpse of what Lawrence could be. I think if he hits the weights and the filmroom he could start in 2015.

LDE is the problem IMO. No production at all this yr except for the last month that Spencer started to get his confidence. But unless he comes cheap, will he go with the money from another team? Hes going to be 31 on the 23rd. Its clear the team likes Spencer so does Make a move for a stud DE to play the strong side? Or draft a guy like Owamagbe Odighizuwa and sign Spencer and see what Garner has?

MY DL would look like:

RDE: Lawrence/Mincey/Odighizuwa
3TECH: Crawford/Coleman/Whaley
1TECH: McClain/Okoye/Bishop
LDE: JPP/Gardner

Obviously you're not the only one that thinks a Free Agent pass rusher is needed considering that there have been dozens of posts about it including the specific players that will be available.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The pass rushers do not need to be situational rush ends. We just need at least 2-3 good DL, including interior players. It is good Crawford emerged, but if there were a quality 3T available, I would take that too to replace what we wanted out of Melton. Get better than Selvie, Hayden, McClain and even Mincey and the defense can finally start to be a little less soft.

I don't totally disagree with you. I wouldn't be mad if the above happened. But I think at tops you need two guys who can come off the edge and help create some turnovers. That's the biggest thing. Rushing from the edge consistently is how you see quarterbacks fumble or get the ball out of their hands prematurely. This defense can use more of that. Give our corners something to work with.

 

[Alexander]

I don't totally disagree with you. I wouldn't be mad if the above happened. But I think at tops you need two guys who can come off the edge and help create some turnovers. That's the biggest thing. Rushing from the edge consistently is how you see quarterbacks fumble or get the ball out of their hands prematurely. This defense can use more of that. Give our corners something to work with.

It is all about pressure, you need it everywhere and need special players to get it done. And where we have lacked it consistently is just as much from the inside as outside. Rodgers could simply step up Sunday and not have a fear in the world.

Crawford did some nice things, but I think people are assuming he is "set" as the 3 technique. He needs help and could even move back to end if the right talent could be found. As well as he looked, he is not yet good enough to be the anchor you build around IMO.

 

[LatinMind]

They need at a minimum two pass rushers. Situational guys or whatever. They need someone who is going to go out there and get to the quarterback. I think you can expect guys like Crawford and Lawrence to continue to improve and that alone will help this line get better. But they need to go into the draft and find some edge rushers. I'm more concerned with that than any other part of our line.

There are none. They are all tweeners. Most of these guys are in the 250lb range and arent really good run defense guys. Thats why i liked Buckner and Odighizuwa. But Buckner didnt declare

 

[LatinMind]

We may be able to get 1DT Fairley and SDE McPhee for the same price or close to what we give JPP.

LIke that too, but i dont think this teams problems were in the middle. Dallas got alot of push inside, the problem was QBs got outside the pocket because there was no outside rush or pursuit.

 

[LatinMind]

I could be wrong but I think revamping the defense is going to be a multi-year project. They are going to add a few pieces via the draft and free agency that will hopefully improve things in 2015. However, I don't see any realistic way to fill all the holes on the defensive side of the ball in one offseason. Just one opinion of many, but I am thinking that they will take a similar approach with the defense as they did with the offensive line.

Craig

the amount of turnovers this team got down the stretch when Marinelli went more man is amazing. They got 15 turnovers in the last 6 games. You add pressure from the front 4, you get alot more and sacks. We saw alot of coverage sacks late because this team went more man. So im not buying the whole multi yr thing

 

[LatinMind]

Obviously you're not the only one that thinks a Free Agent pass rusher is needed considering that there have been dozens of posts about it including the specific players that will be available.

ok. thanks

 

[Zimmy Lives]

LIke that too, but i dont think this teams problems were in the middle. Dallas got alot of push inside, the problem was QBs got outside the pocket because there was no outside rush or pursuit.

I disagree. For the most part, the pressure generated from the interior was inconsistent. Yes, there were moments but the pressure needs to be relentless on every play. A significant upgrade at the 1-technique would do wonders for this d-line.