How far are the Boys from a Super Bowl?

[the kid 05]

The Dallas Cowboys have a couple of playmakers on the team.


Roy Williams IS one of them.

He is either making a great play or just barely out of reach of making it. There are times when he was beat(but that happens, give the other team/player some credit).... AND at times.. when he is going to "help" another player with THEIR assignment... HE gets blamed for giving up big play. Its nonsense.

Ask yourself... would you rather have him or not have him? I choose HAVE him.

careful mick, logic isn't that welcome with some posters.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I didn't say Hamlin's YPA was low -- it was a little higher (worse) than average. But that's a huge uprade over Davis and Watkins, who were ranked last and next-to-last in YPA out of 102 safeties. Hamlin ranked 62nd. He also ranked 36th-best (out of 102) in completion percentage allowed, 28th in percentage of passes defended and 31st in ratio of passes defended to completions allowed.


Edit: I see you already found it.

That is correct, according to STATS. Even without the 87-yarder Watkins allowed against Philadelphia, he'd still be fourth-worst. And Davis was the worst by a 2.5-yard margin per pass.

Don't know if you've posted this elsewhere, but where does Roy rank on that list? Thanks.

Roy ranked 41st out of 102 in YPA, according to STATS.

Found these posts...

So I would say that better Safety play, no matter who's back there, is in order.

 

[LD Fan]

I do recall Adam saying that Pat and KD were ranked last and next to last in some category. As for Roy in that category, he was about average...16th or so.

Searching his posts for it now.

As for the thread, there was a time when you could "predict" when a team is close. But the way teams turn it around nowadays, any solid team, like the boys, have a shot.

Looking at the NFC, no team is head and shoulders above them, so I don't see why they couldn't make a legit run. They don't collapse in the last quarter of the season and they could've made some noise.

It's amusing how the children get little chubbys living in their fantasy worlds. I went through that stage in my life too, posters on the bedroom wall and the whole 9 yards. You weren't going to convince me my favorite player sucked.

You are right, there has been plenty of analysis done of the Cowboys safety play and we all saw it with our own eyes. If anyone cared to (I don't), I could spend hours looking it all up. It's enough for me to know I helped someone feel better about their hero.

 

[superpunk]

It's amusing how the children get little chubbys living in their fantasy worlds. I went through that stage in my life too, posters on the bedroom wall and the whole 9 yards. You weren't going to convince me my favorite player sucked.

You are right, there has been plenty of analysis done of the Cowboys safety play and we all saw it with our own eyes. If anyone cared to (I don't), I could spend hours looking it all up. It's enough for me to know I helped someone feel better about their hero.

I hate to break it to you, but there is only one person who looks childish in this thread - he's the one who can't construct a logical argument to save his life, and has ignored the auxillary evidence presented.(Read - you) Your blustering above is just more dancing. Roy had an average year in coverage last year, and still made alot of plays for us. Still, even at his worst (and last year, particularly the stretch run, was his worst) he's still better than most.

 

[zrinkill]

It's amusing how the children get little chubbys living in their fantasy worlds. I went through that stage in my life too, posters on the bedroom wall and the whole 9 yards. You weren't going to convince me my favorite player sucked.

You are right, there has been plenty of analysis done of the Cowboys safety play and we all saw it with our own eyes. If anyone cared to (I don't), I could spend hours looking it all up. It's enough for me to know I helped someone feel better about their hero.

which is what someone says when they have nothing to back up their theory.

 

[LD Fan]

which is what someone says when they have nothing to back up their theory.

Or when it is obvious and true.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

careful mick, logic isn't that welcome with some posters.

Fearless poster here :flex:

Simply put.... Roy = playmaker. <- thats a big arse period hehehe

 

[AtlCB]

It's amusing how the children get little chubbys living in their fantasy worlds. I went through that stage in my life too, posters on the bedroom wall and the whole 9 yards. You weren't going to convince me my favorite player sucked.

You are right, there has been plenty of analysis done of the Cowboys safety play and we all saw it with our own eyes. If anyone cared to (I don't), I could spend hours looking it all up. It's enough for me to know I helped someone feel better about their hero.

Sorry, but you can't expect a strong safety to be one of the top coverage safeties in the NFL. Roy needs to be close to the LOS in order to wreak havoc. He has been covering more than most strong safeties, because the free safeties have been horrible. Can you name a strong safety who covers as well as a free safety and can create problems at the line of scrimmage?

 

[LD Fan]

Sorry, but you can't expect a strong safety to be one of the top coverage safeties in the NFL. Roy needs to be close to the LOS in order to wreak havoc. He has been covering more than most strong safeties, because the free safeties have been horrible. Can you name a strong safety who covers as well as a free safety and can create problems at the line of scrimmage?

You're right, I wouldn't expect a SS to cover like a FS. They are similar but different positions. And I stand corrected, I don't think RW sucks. I let myself get carried away.

Williams is very good in the box but not very good in coverage.

 

[zrinkill]

Williams as a strong safety is at least average in coverage compared to most Free safties ....

he is close to the top of the list in interceptions for safeties almost every year ....

 

[WoodysGirl]

Williams as a strong safety is at least average in coverage compared to most Free safties ....

he is close to the top of the list in interceptions for safeties almost every year ....

That's just cuz he was in the right place at the right time. If it wasn't for someone else's play, you know he wouldn't have been able to make the play on his own.

 

[superpunk]

You're right, I wouldn't expect a SS to cover like a FS. They are similar but different positions. And I stand corrected, I don't think RW sucks. I let myself get carried away.

Williams is very good in the box but not very good in coverage.

Props for manning up. I think opinions of his coverage abilities will differ depending on what you consider "very good" in coverage for a SS. Certainly he could be better. Do you ever wonder why so many people believe he is just inept in coverage? I do. I'm convinced it's because people see him in frame when the other team scores - and he can be attributed a good number of TDs allowed. Of course, how important do you think that is? Say Brees kills us down the field with dumps to his FB, and then in the red zone hits his TE over a hapless Bradie James, and Roy misses the tackle for a TD. Clearly Roy could have prevented the TD, but if assignments had been followed on the TEs, the drive could have been stopped much earlier.

Giving up TDs is really being a victim of circumstance. Just as scoring them is a benefit of circumstance, considering one player could do all the work down the field, get it to the 1, and a RB punches it in. (ie Emmitt and Michael) Once you get past the TD thing, and evaluate him comparatively, he comes out very well. Plus, he's flat out a playmaker.

Something else that contributes to the negative image of not only Roy Williams but also Sean Taylor is the passive cover two system that both teams played. Often because of the incompetence beside them, they are forced to cover about 3/4 of the field. Due to the coaching staff's inability to change, and insistence on playing that passive zone instead of compensating for deficiencies in coverage by applying more pressure, these guys are continually forced to cover for extended periods. Whereas a guy like Reed is able to play center field and let his dominant front seven work magic in a pressure defense. No safety can do what Roy and Taylor were asked to do last year.

 

[zrinkill]

That's just cuz he was in the right place at the right time. If it wasn't for someone else's play, you know he wouldn't have been able to make the play on his own.

Thats what I am always told .....

 

[Doomsday101]

I would agree that Roy has trouble in deep coverage, however the intermediate and shorter routs I think Roy does a good job for the Cowboys. If we can keep him closer to the line which I do expect Phillips to do I think that will allow Roy to come up with more big plays.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Props for manning up.

I think he was being facetious. After all the stuff he's put up in this thread, I doubt he truly believes that in that post you responded to.

You still wrote a good post, though.

 

[LD Fan]

Props for manning up. I think opinions of his coverage abilities will differ depending on what you consider "very good" in coverage for a SS. Certainly he could be better. Do you ever wonder why so many people believe he is just inept in coverage? I do. I'm convinced it's because people see him in frame when the other team scores - and he can be attributed a good number of TDs allowed. Of course, how important do you think that is? Say Brees kills us down the field with dumps to his FB, and then in the red zone hits his TE over a hapless Bradie James, and Roy misses the tackle for a TD. Clearly Roy could have prevented the TD, but if assignments had been followed on the TEs, the drive could have been stopped much earlier.

Giving up TDs is really being a victim of circumstance. Just as scoring them is a benefit of circumstance, considering one player could do all the work down the field, get it to the 1, and a RB punches it in. (ie Emmitt and Michael) Once you get past the TD thing, and evaluate him comparatively, he comes out very well. Plus, he's flat out a playmaker.

Something else that contributes to the negative image of not only Roy Williams but also Sean Taylor is the passive cover two system that both teams played. Often because of the incompetence beside them, they are forced to cover about 3/4 of the field. Due to the coaching staff's inability to change, and insistence on playing that passive zone instead of compensating for deficiencies in coverage by applying more pressure, these guys are continually forced to cover for extended periods. Whereas a guy like Reed is able to play center field and let his dominant front seven work magic in a pressure defense. No safety can do what Roy and Taylor were asked to do last year.

This is an excellent post and I wasn't being facetious in my earlier post.

I agree Williams has been hurt by weak FS play and scheme. I also think he was overweight last year (and slower) and misses making plays on the ball at times because he seems more concerned with making a highlight film hit on the tackle . Maybe I was spoiled with Darren Woodsen who was excellent in coverage and in the box but to me Williams is always someone who needs help in coverage.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Who knows and who cares? At this point the Cowboys should be focusing on trying to make the Playoffs and taking it one round at a time.

You gotta learn to crawl before you can walk....

Throwing out stats isn't going to give you the answer either. You have to watch them on a week to week basis as well as the other 31 other Championship hopefulls.

- Mike G.

 

[zrinkill]

Woody ... 23 interceptions in 12 seasons
Roy ....... 17 interceptions in 5 seasons

I dont think he is as good in coverage as Woody ...... but Roy sure does seem to be in the right place at the right time.

(also Roy had at least one interception for a TD called back last year .... maybe 2)

 

[WoodysGirl]

Did I miss Roy Williams being cut? Get the point genius?

You're right, I saw it on the United Way commercial how he covers better than just about anybody. He's great in coverage. Time for beddy bye son.

I'm glad you recognize when you've been schooled.

Are you trying to make a point that he is good in coverage? Average? Everyone who doesn't have a mancrush on him recognizes he below avg. in coverage

It's amusing how the children get little chubbys living in their fantasy worlds. I went through that stage in my life too, posters on the bedroom wall and the whole 9 yards. You weren't going to convince me my favorite player sucked.

You are right, there has been plenty of analysis done of the Cowboys safety play and we all saw it with our own eyes. If anyone cared to (I don't), I could spend hours looking it all up. It's enough for me to know I helped someone feel better about their hero.

You're right, I wouldn't expect a SS to cover like a FS. They are similar but different positions. And I stand corrected, I don't think RW sucks. I let myself get carried away.

Williams is very good in the box but not very good in coverage.

You'll have to forgive me for thinking you were being facetious after reading all your other posts regarding Roy's suckitude. You can't get carried away when you start off that way.

Somehow between last night and this morning, you've gone from one extreme to at least the middle ground. Which is right about where most folks in this thread are.

 

[LD Fan]

You'll have to forgive me for thinking you were being facetious after reading all your other posts regarding Roy's suckitude. You can't get carried away when you start off that way.

Somehow between last night and this morning, you've gone from one extreme to at least the middle ground. Which is right about where most folks in this thread are.

You're forgiven. My position really hasn't changed. I think Williams is weak in coverage and good in the box. My posts were consistent in criticizing his coverage skills.