How good has Amari Cooper been?

[Hook'em#11]

Good players make plays.. Some are being made. Dallas has a good amount of good players on this team. With the right coaching, these players will be better. Coop has made them better. You don't need pretty schemes and wacky plays on offense to be successful. You need proper coaching and execution. I liked the days that an offense lined up, defense knew what they were doing, yet, still couldn't stop. Kinda like yesterday with Zeke. Falcons knew Dallas would run, and they couldn't stop them. Dak needs to get more confidence throwing down field, no doubt. I still think he can handle it. He isn't getting the best coaching or mentoring considering his "coach" needs a nap break every 4 hours. I don't care if Dak has 3 yards per pass. Finishes with 12 yards in a game, yet, Zeke has 40 carries and Dallas wins. I don't care if Dallas wins by a safety, or a hundred. As long as they win.

 

[Batman1980]

Says what? There’s no proof that defenses are playing the Cowboys any differently than before Cooper came along. And did you really just suggest that Cooper’s mere presence has made Dak more accurate??

Yes. Cooper has unreal speed and route-running and is better than any other WR on the roster. He can trust Cooper to win his routes and be where he's supposed to be.

 

[lukin2006]

After 3 games he has 14 receptions on 23 targets for 169 yards and 1 touchdown.

Extrapolate that over the course of a 16 game season and we're looking at

75 receptions, 901 yards, and 5 touchdowns.

True he hasn't had an offseason here and came halfway into the season, but certainly isn't looking worth a first round draft pick.

His greatest accomplishment is likely moving this team from a 5 win team to an 8 win team based on the margins. These numbers are barely better than Dez's numbers last year and he wouldn't have cost us a 1st round pick.

If we win the division, he will be a big part of that. You do not think winning the division and going to the playoffs is worth a number 1. I do, no one has ever won the SB by missing the playoffs.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

This was on 3rd down, correct?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

He has already proven well worth a first round pick.

The impact he has made on the Cowboys offense is very obvious.

bingo, there are now openings for His Highness Ezekiel of Elliott

 

[star-ving]

After 3 games he has 14 receptions on 23 targets for 169 yards and 1 touchdown.

Extrapolate that over the course of a 16 game season and we're looking at

75 receptions, 901 yards, and 5 touchdowns.

True he hasn't had an offseason here and came halfway into the season, but certainly isn't looking worth a first round draft pick.

His greatest accomplishment is likely moving this team from a 5 win team to an 8 win team based on the margins. These numbers are barely better than Dez's numbers last year and he wouldn't have cost us a 1st round pick.

Just from watching:

Amari was worth the first...
Dak looks like a fourth.

 

[Cydios]

Remember if we picked up a first round Receiver, most of the time they don't see much field. Cooper was instant productivity. Imagine when we make more plays for him?

 

[gimmesix]

After 3 games he has 14 receptions on 23 targets for 169 yards and 1 touchdown.

Extrapolate that over the course of a 16 game season and we're looking at

75 receptions, 901 yards, and 5 touchdowns.

True he hasn't had an offseason here and came halfway into the season, but certainly isn't looking worth a first round draft pick.

His greatest accomplishment is likely moving this team from a 5 win team to an 8 win team based on the margins. These numbers are barely better than Dez's numbers last year and he wouldn't have cost us a 1st round pick.

When we're throwing for about 200 yards per game, then those are good numbers. If we were a wide-open offense throwing for 300-plus a game, then you'd want him on target for 90-plus receptions, 1,000-plus yards and 8-plus TDs.

To me, this was my main problem with criticizing Bryant based on statistical evidence. That doesn't take into account the type of offense we're running. Even in Dak's great rookie season, we had one 300-yard passing game ... by design. The reason I say by design is go back and look at Romo's last healthy season (2014). He also had just one 300-plus game. The previous year (when we were just figuring out that we needed to run the ball more), he had four. In 2012, it was nine.

Dez's top two reception years were (not surprisingly) 2012 and 2013. That he caught 88 for 1,320 and 16 TDs in 2014 tells us that Romo still targeted him a bunch even though we were running the ball more. Last year's output for him 69-838-6 is probably more typical of what we should expect from the lead receiver in this run-oriented offense, but on fewer targets and with the receiver being more effective at drawing double coverage.

 

[tm1119]

Yes. Cooper has unreal speed and route-running and is better than any other WR on the roster. He can trust Cooper to win his routes and be where he's supposed to be.

Dak is 14 for 23 throwing to Cooper, good for 60% completion rate. Lower than Dak’s season completion rate. Care to try again?

 

[jazzcat22]

You have trouble thinking critically don't you?

No I don’t, not at all.

But it is obviously you have problems just thinking simple.

 

[Virginia-Dave]

Dak is 14 for 23 throwing to Cooper, good for 60% completion rate. Lower than Dak’s season completion rate. Care to try again?

What do Cooper's speed and route-running have to do with Dak's completion rate to him thus far? Has he dropped a ball? Don't think so. Cooper has been exceptional, he just needs a QB that can consistently get him a catchable ball.

 

[J12B]

I would say if he’s a 900 yard receiver that’s not enough for giving up a #1. But he is still acclimating himself to the offense so hopefully he will end up being more of a 1300-ish WR once he’s fully implemented.

I'd say 900 yards for a receiver in this type of offense is definitely worth a #1.

It is slow paced and focused heavy on the run which limits opportunities for the receivers.

Cooper's presence, for the short time he has been here, has clearly improved the running game as well.

900 receiving yards is acceptable in my eyes. Would like to see his TD's climb up to 8.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

He is the product of an archaic, fossilized offensive system with a limited QB running it.

Put him with the Saints, Rams or Chiefs and he would be tearing it up.

He's fine. It's the coaches and the QB that's the problem.

Even if that's true.....that makes the trade even worse.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Well, fan is short for fanatic. I hope Cooper roasts Norman alive. Payback for all those times he shut down Dez. I'd move him around on Thursday since Norman doesn't follow people.

LOL @ shutdown Dez. Those games were analyzed more than the Zapruder films and when you do you see Dez open routinely and not getting the ball. Hardly shocking for anyone who has watched this QB play.

 

[Jake0]

I'd say 900 yards for a receiver in this type of offense is definitely worth a #1.

It is slow paced and focused heavy on the run which limits opportunities for the receivers.

Cooper's presence, for the short time he has been here, has clearly improved the running game as well.

900 receiving yards is acceptable in my eyes. Would like to see his TD's climb up to 8.

You don't take these moral victories. The coaching and scheme are trash. Gurley has more rushing yards than Zeke, WAY more TDs than Zeke, more receiving yards than Zeke. The talent across the board of the 2 offenses are markedly similar now with Cooper in tow. The only glaring difference is QB. If Dak stays this bad throughout the year with Cooper here, he gets another chance with new coaching next year, but that's it.

 

[Jake0]

Also, remember how Gurley was as a player when he was being limited by Jeff Fisher.

 

[tm1119]

What do Cooper's speed and route-running have to do with Dak's completion rate to him thus far? Has he dropped a ball? Don't think so. Cooper has been exceptional, he just needs a QB that can consistently get him a catchable ball.

?, Go back and read the original post I quoted...The guy said that Cooper’s presence on the team has made Dak a more accurate passer. I was just using Cooper’s #’s to prove what a ridiculous concept that is.

 

[Direwolf63]

Even if that's true.....that makes the trade even worse.

If Jerry would bring in some coaches with some 21st century thinking, Cooper may yet turn out to be a player worth the value that was paid.

He does loosen up defenses somewhat. Ronald Darby admitted this after the Eagles game. But to maximize what Cooper could do, the coaches, the system, and maybe the QB has to change.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

This was on 3rd down, correct?

yeah I think it was

 

[ClintDagger]

I'd say 900 yards for a receiver in this type of offense is definitely worth a #1.

It is slow paced and focused heavy on the run which limits opportunities for the receivers.

Cooper's presence, for the short time he has been here, has clearly improved the running game as well.

900 receiving yards is acceptable in my eyes. Would like to see his TD's climb up to 8.

No way. Dez was close to 900 yards last year and had 6 TDS. What you are describing is a very slight upgrade over 2017 Dez. That is not first round pick worthy. We need elite, #1 WR production for that. Something on the fringe of the top 10 which would be 1300-ish yards.