How is Dak a top QB?

[Ekspozed]

He’s not. He isn’t even a top 10 QB. People rely too much on regular season stats. His entire body of work needs to be looked at.

Who are the 10 qbs who have done better in the playoffs since his regular season record/stats don't matter?

 

[buddahjoe445]

Okay cool. Have at it then.

I disagree that dak critics think we never had this QB play before. Quincy is one that pops up. And yes...Romo gets invoked a LOT as a failed QB...like you just did.

I also think that yes...Romo did choke on occasion....except the fact that has has a VERY high 4th qtr QB rating and come from behind drives. Don;t you find that odd? I don;t. Because we wouldn't be in it without Romo putting the team there in their first place. How many times do we make him try to win the game after D poops their pants?

This is what I mean by a little detail. It's easy..and lazy....to just look at the final result. Goes for both Dak and To

7 ears you mean Rush has ben backup put on waivers and exposed a dozen times and picked up and out on PS and let go more times than we can count and all of sudden hes threatening to be better than DAK.,.thats a total Joke dude..

the fact you think they are comparing invalidates any posts you might make in the future,, just WOW , dudes lifer backup and Dak a top 10 career qb..period his worst season was last year and still very productive, seriously Daks low point would be career year for Rush,

FACTS.. if you see anything else, you are blind hater troll with an agenda. Dak scored more TDs and zero INT in the Playoff WC game that al;l 5 games for Rush..get grip on reality, rush is career backup not even as good as an Dalton type and you think he in time could be a goods a starter..lmao.

heres a factoid, only 8 of the last 56 QBs drafted have been successful. Dak is a great qb even if hes not elite, he is a starting caliber franchise qb..


Dak never had losing season, his career stats after 97 games is on par if not better then Peyton manning and that one comp how about Troy yup his stats are better then troys i mean troy has 166 tds 141 ints dak alreaay has 167 tds and 65 INts, yup the fact is those hating on last season in which dak had more INts then his Career average isnt looking at other qbs, Troy threw more, Peyton threw more etc etc etc Stafford led the Legue in INts and threw 2 in the SB, Josh allen also had as many INT and more mistakes in the payoffs.. etc etc ,

its team game and Dak didn't get that same team that Rush got to play with and no way rush could be successful when hes truly counted on, Daks already proven he can.. 4 of 6 heathy seasons daks started and finished the year upright all ended in a playoff game , again no losing seasons.

the hate is ridiculous no one thought as 4th round pick he would be elite or expected him to be a HOF qb but he exceeded all expectations is a top 10 starter and those are facts,

this is and always be A team game and down the stretch the team didn't do enough to go further.

Kurt Warner played in the arena league, Geno Smith was barely hanging onto NFL rosters, the league is filled with players that bounced around and eventually became good players in the right situation......what is point with Rush being on waivers? Not a big difference between Rush and Dak. One has better brain. One has better physical traits. I will take better brains any day.

 

[kskboys]

Who are the 10 qbs who have done better in the playoffs since his regular season record/stats don't matter?

Easy. Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. Stafford, Wilson, Ryan, Bre ,es, Rothy. Want more: Rivers, Luck, Foles, Goff, Tannehill.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes 21st with Cooper Rush, we'd get better than Rush.

So what about the last two years, they're gone, it's the next two that's the issue. You keep going back to "who you got, who you got"....it's irrelevant, as soon as you get to Dak's good, but he's not good enough then it's time to stop and cut the $52m as all your doing is wasting money.

that's the point. last two years are gone. we had cap space and didn't do squat.

so lets say we redo contract and have cap space. what do you think is going to happen with Jerry and Stephen?

you heard jerry say, he takes a different approach than eagles, he is thinking long term....as in long term sucking...28 years and counting.

and we can cut dak. for sure. that means lots of other players get cut too. its a massive cap hit....thanks idiot Jerry jones for not doing a contract earlier and saving cap dollars...all because he wanted to save about 1 or 2 M per year....

so lets cut him, take the hit. suck for a couple of years. and try getting into top 5 and hope a good QB comes up that we draft. waste him for 5 years. not hand him a large contract (lesson learned) and do this for another 22 years.

you are angry at the wrong person. Dak is what he is. he is not intentionally bad. he is not doing this on purpose. he is what he is. blame the guy who put this team together.

 

[CowboyoWales]

that's the point. last two years are gone. we had cap space and didn't do squat.

so lets say we redo contract and have cap space. what do you think is going to happen with Jerry and Stephen?

you heard jerry say, he takes a different approach than eagles, he is thinking long term....as in long term sucking...28 years and counting.

and we can cut dak. for sure. that means lots of other players get cut too. its a massive cap hit....thanks idiot Jerry jones for not doing a contract earlier and saving cap dollars...all because he wanted to save about 1 or 2 M per year....

so lets cut him, take the hit. suck for a couple of years. and try getting into top 5 and hope a good QB comes up that we draft. waste him for 5 years. not hand him a large contract (lesson learned) and do this for another 22 years.

you are angry at the wrong person. Dak is what he is. he is not intentionally bad. he is not doing this on purpose. he is what he is. blame the guy who put this team together.

Taking your last point first.....the whole argument against Jerry is that he's ruined the franchise by over paying "OUR GUY'S", guy's that may be good, but not good enough and that's happening with Dak.

Yes they've done this since Jerry helped instigate the salary cap, and yes that was one of the biggest reasons why were didnt fully utilize Dak's Rookie contract (paying Dead Money to Romo, Dez et al).

The problem with the CAP is that it has to be paid and it's about a period, rather than individual years. Fans crying out about why didnt we retain Amari for the $4.9m the Browns paid, that's because the contract was $28.5m for two years and to give you a clue we are already close to $10m OVER.

I would have given Jerry/Stephen the benefit of the doubt that their 'plan or strategy' (words used advisedly) was a soft retool....but it wasnt it was done in part by accident as Gregory signed in Denver. So if Randy had signed we'd actually be $31m over the CAP.

We never had the CAP to make moves and we were certainly never 1 or 2 players from an ALL-IN certainty (ala Rams, 2020). Indeed 2022 has somewhat reset the CAP, it's so easy saying we should go for XYZ player, but if you havent got the CAP you're getting no above average FA, as it only takes one of the 31 teams to outbid you.......

 

[CowboyoWales]

Taking your last point first.....the whole argument against Jerry is that he's ruined the franchise by over paying "OUR GUY'S", guy's that may be good, but not good enough and that's happening with Dak.

Yes they've done this since Jerry helped instigate the salary cap, and yes that was one of the biggest reasons why were didnt fully utilize Dak's Rookie contract (paying Dead Money to Romo, Dez et al).

The problem with the CAP is that it has to be paid and it's about a period, rather than individual years. Fans crying out about why didnt we retain Amari for the $4.9m the Browns paid, that's because the contract was $28.5m for two years and to give you a clue we are already close to $10m OVER.

I would have given Jerry/Stephen the benefit of the doubt that their 'plan or strategy' (words used advisedly) was a soft retool....but it wasnt it was done in part by accident as Gregory signed in Denver. So if Randy had signed we'd actually be $31m over the CAP.

We never had the CAP to make moves and we were certainly never 1 or 2 players from an ALL-IN certainty (ala Rams, 2020). Indeed 2022 has somewhat reset the CAP, it's so easy saying we should go for XYZ player, but if you havent got the CAP you're getting no above average FA, as it only takes one of the 31 teams to outbid you.......

....cont.... we cannot build around Dak because of two main factors: 1) paying him 20% of the CAP doesnt allow us to to sign players to help give him the arm chair ride in which he thrives 2) his inconsistency (highlighted by Bucc Vrs 49ers game).

Now if you want to blame the inconsistency on other playing factors ....sorry, but that's what happens when you get paid 20%, HE has to step up. If you want to blame the scheme/system, fine, 2023 is the stand, he's got MM and Schott and even a WCO which on the face of it may suit him. What we cant do is give him an extension to push back the CAP (which could well kill our chances of resigning CeeDee and Micah - who with CAP Inflation with teams having big $$$ increases could amount to $80m+), we have to draw a line....prove or move on.

Whilst we agree that Dak can be good (and even possibly on Dak is good, but not good enough on his own) you want to gamble on HOPE that spending money around him will elevate him.....me, I see the inconsistency, frequent capitulation and lack of killer instinct (two straight years vrs 49ers he had the ball for game winning/tying drives with 2:30+ minutes on the clock - he didnt come through) as a reason why he just isnt the guy to go ALL-IN upon.

Reset the CAP can build on the young, decent roster we've got.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Who are the 10 qbs who have done better in the playoffs since his regular season record/stats don't matter?

What we overlook on Dak's play-off last two performances vrs 49ers in the play-offs is that he had the ball to win/tie the game with 2:30mins left on the clock IN BOTH GAMES....the old two minute drill which is the true mark of the great QB.

Sometimes it's not the stats, it's the imponderables that makes the winner, can they do it when the pressure is at it's highest.

 

[MyFairLady]

What we overlook on Dak's play-off last two performances vrs 49ers in the play-offs is that he had the ball to win/tie the game with 2:30mins left on the clock IN BOTH GAMES....the old two minute drill which is the true mark of the great QB.

Sometimes it's not the stats, it's the imponderables that makes the winner, can they do it when the pressure is at it's highest.

Unfortunately this is everything. It will almost always come down to this. He didn't just fail either. They were some of the absolute worst possessions imaginable. After watching them it is hard for me to ever picture a game winning drive against a strong team in a critical game.

 

[khiladi]

He's 25 and 24 in his career.

He has one of the best backs in the NFL and probably the best receiving back in the NFL. Two great WRs... Etc.

I guess I look at substance over ESPN generated hype and hope.

FTR I think Herbert is a talent and might develop but from what I've seen in college and in the league he ain't it... Yet

LOl., Lombardi called the second worst designed run plays in the NFL. That’s why he’s out of a job..

ESPN generated hype? it’s asinine to compare Dak to Herbert and no GM or coach would even consider Dak, including Jerry if given the opportunity ..

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Taking your last point first.....the whole argument against Jerry is that he's ruined the franchise by over paying "OUR GUY'S", guy's that may be good, but not good enough and that's happening with Dak.

Yes they've done this since Jerry helped instigate the salary cap, and yes that was one of the biggest reasons why were didnt fully utilize Dak's Rookie contract (paying Dead Money to Romo, Dez et al).

The problem with the CAP is that it has to be paid and it's about a period, rather than individual years. Fans crying out about why didnt we retain Amari for the $4.9m the Browns paid, that's because the contract was $28.5m for two years and to give you a clue we are already close to $10m OVER.

I would have given Jerry/Stephen the benefit of the doubt that their 'plan or strategy' (words used advisedly) was a soft retool....but it wasnt it was done in part by accident as Gregory signed in Denver. So if Randy had signed we'd actually be $31m over the CAP.

We never had the CAP to make moves and we were certainly never 1 or 2 players from an ALL-IN certainty (ala Rams, 2020). Indeed 2022 has somewhat reset the CAP, it's so easy saying we should go for XYZ player, but if you havent got the CAP you're getting no above average FA, as it only takes one of the 31 teams to outbid you.......

overpaying, yes, not just Dak, but Zeke, Lawrence, Collins, Cooper, offer to Gregory, on and on and on and on...but I get it. everyone right now wants to focus on one guy and one guy only. if Dak made 25M, then nobody here would/could complain. so all this hubbub over 15M or so...and we have over paid the rest by 3 times that. yes, its Jerry. its not about Dak.

in regards to your second point, jerry has mismanaged this team for 28+ years now. the dead money stuff is excuses for Jerry, in order to blame Dak perhaps. that's where the focus is. the facts are the Eagles gave a large contract to wentz, then traded him, got another QB, rebuild around him, made trades, ended up with two first round picks and now are playing in superbowl. Rams did it too, paid Goff, traded him and build around stafford and won a superbowl. every team deals with dead cap. its not unique to cowboys.

and a lot of teams are over the cap. every team gets under the cap for the season one way or other. the way teams do it is by pushing money into the future, redo contracts. nothing new. so trading for cooper, paying him a large contract and then trading him for peanuts was absolute ****** nuts. sheer stupidty and idiocty. moronic. but then again, we know how jerry works.

and we are now banking on luck. the problem you stated regarding Jerry and Stephen, and Jerry as the GM he can't recognize talent. he can't build a team. he doesn't know how to put a winning formula together. why did he even offer Gregory a $71M contract for your hypothetical and for us to get lucky.... he shoud have never made the offer. I was opposed to it. for a guy, who missed half the games in his career because he couldn't stick to the rules. produced all of 6 sacks and was penalty prone and undisciplined....sheer stupidity.

we haven't had the cap, because jerry has mismanaged it. he hasn't put the right team together. he is all about marketing and perceptions and what the fans may think and how to increase franchise value. smart GM would have let Zeke sit his arse out the whole season and then trade him. instead he gave in, thinking its Madden NFL and made Zeke highest paid RB in NFL history. this cap mismanagement is due to jerry and stephen. they are unable to build a team, while everybody else is doing it. Jerry saying, he is making long term plans is essentially him saying, I have no fvcking clue what to do.

 

[blueblood70]

Kurt Warner played in the arena league, Geno Smith was barely hanging onto NFL rosters, the league is filled with players that bounced around and eventually became good players in the right situation......what is point with Rush being on waivers? Not a big difference between Rush and Dak. One has better brain. One has better physical traits. I will take better brains any day.

once again, while i wish all the luck for rush in his endeavors he will be a career backup..i would take a player like colt mccoy and others over rush , rush did well in the prefect situation around him but wasn't spectacular given that elite level of team play over that stretch, thats how i know.. he had pedestrian stats and did not pay as clean as those say he did. i listed the warts and that with the best team play we had all year,

 

[buddahjoe445]

once again, while i wish all the luck for rush in his endeavors he will be a career backup..i would take a player like colt mccoy and others over rush , rush did well in the prefect situation around him but wasn't spectacular given that elite level of team play over that stretch, thats how i know.. he had pedestrian stats and did not pay as clean as those say he did. i listed the warts and that with the best team play we had all year,

i'd take mccoy over dak as well. if dak was on his rookie contract then the team can surround him with better talent because thats what he needs. but as of now, dak is a franchise killer. can't build around him and he is not good enough to be anything more than an average bus driver, much like mccoy and rush

 

[diamonddelts]

Easy. Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. Stafford, Wilson, Ryan, Bre ,es, Rothy. Want more: Rivers, Luck, Foles, Goff, Tannehill.

I think he means active players

 

[diamonddelts]

i'd take mccoy over dak as well. if dak was on his rookie contract then the team can surround him with better talent because thats what he needs. but as of now, dak is a franchise killer. can't build around him and he is not good enough to be anything more than an average bus driver, much like mccoy and rush

McCoy over Dak? Lol! Too much Buddha for you Joe.

 

[blueblood70]

i'd take mccoy over dak as well. if dak was on his rookie contract then the team can surround him with better talent because thats what he needs. but as of now, dak is a franchise killer. can't build around him and he is not good enough to be anything more than an average bus driver, much like mccoy and rush

thats your last post ill read, no way colts better then dak nor is rush you are delusional and diluted,., lay off the sauce we label you all haters for reason.. dont like guy underate the heck out of them and you would be wrong. But rad that below but bye from my view..

since 2016 Dak has 61 wins in the regular a season that 5th in the league behind Brady 79, rogers 67, Mahomes 64(done it in shorter time period drafted in 17 didn't pay until 18??, and Rwilson 62

Not sure why fans keep believing that player with that many wins an a 67% compl% also high in the league, 165tds ONLY 65INTs 26 rushing tds is an issue? the haters want his released or traded and dont say payoffs afetr 97 games Dak shares nearly the exact same playoff record as Pmanning and Manning has less total tds and twice the INTs in the RS in the same first 97 games..

fans just need to stop thinking we can easily just do better.

yes a better offense will help in the long run ie stronger run game, more physical OL, and a better play caller for the better team in the playoffs.

But come on Dak is our qb, his career says we can get to a SB with him IF, a BIG IF, the team shows up and helps out in the playoff games. can have the TEAM have 14 penalties and no run game in b2b games against the 9ers ,yes his 2 INts hurt us one is half on Gallup for allowing himself to be shoved off his route and cut under him with no effort to fight back to at least break that up.

2016 and 2018 all on the defense. so technically dak has one poor showing 2022 in a playoff game and now hes the issue?? he dint fail on his own again NO RUN GAM, OL getting pushed back all game, outside of CD no ones was playing well ie Schultz 2 mental mistakes on the 3min drive.

been to the payoff 4 of 6 season's hes been healthy and no losing season. right, he sucks cut him now eat 89 mil or cut him in 24 and eat 40 if traded, eat whatever that number is .. sure makes sense we could be like the 18-20 teams still looking for a QB that can be close to Dak., so hes not elite how many are? 1-3 in any given era?

the windows now with Dak 2 more seasons, if it doesn't work then time for major changes.

again, lets go play better as a team but even the D as great as they played if they want to be in the convo as say the 2k Raven D Diggs has to make those 2 plays.

 

[WillieBeamen]

One thing that has artificially boosted Dakotas status is the mediocrity of the lower 17 quarterbacks in this league.

We have a polished turd among so many other unpolished turds

Its why being “top-10” is meaningless

There is good and not good enough, and hes the latter

 

[Wangchung83]

That’s an easy answer: he’s not top ten or top 15, he’s not top anything except number 1 overpaid QB with more excuses than he can remember. He sucks and that’s not changing at 30yo

 

[cmoney23]

LOl., Lombardi called the second worst designed run plays in the NFL. That’s why he’s out of a job..

ESPN generated hype? it’s asinine to compare Dak to Herbert and no GM or coach would even consider Dak, including Jerry if given the opportunity ..

You know, just because you keep saying the GM thing doesn't mean that this season Herbert was better than Dak.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the "called the second wrist designed run plays in the NFL" comment. IDK what that means. But the general consensus around that firing was that it was a scape goat to save the head coaches job.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

He can’t even have two good games in a row. I use to be a HUGE Dak supporter but I’ve seen him for what he is. He does not make a single difference in games. Cooper Rush made this VERY clear. He may not be better than Geno Smith.


Mahomes
Jackson
Hurts
Burrow
Herbert
Allen
Trevor Lawerence
Rodgers
Stafford

All demonstrably better quarterbacks than him that can win actual defenses in the playoffs.

Add rookies Howell and Purdy to the list of QBs better than Deek.