How is Dak a top QB?

[Toro9]

He was close to top 10 before this past season. My hope is he just had a bad year. Happens sometimes to even the best.

 

[LatinMind]

Are these guys getting warnings for making 2000 dak threads saying the exact same thing in every thread?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Quincy??.....He never was expected to take the team far.

There we go again......Romo leading a team by himself. Huh.....you seem to write about a flailing defense as if Dak didn't ever encounter that himself on this team......thus the evoution of a "pass-happy" offense, thus the creation of "empty calorie stats", thus the very need to sling it all over the place in 4th quarters.....perhaps? That's what seems to be interesting. Our D has vastly improved, but that is something new and a bit questionable, at times, during this past season alone, and during Dak's tenure, just as it was with Tony's.

I suspect we should leave the high 4th qtr QB ratings or overall QBRs out ........bottom line......we ain't won anything or sniffed an NFC championship game with either QB. That leaves Dak to be the only between the two, to still have that chance. Maybe that is what is really troubling to some.

Can we just stop tipping the scales? And just see what this team does about the many issues/concerns that need to be addressed to improve further?. All I've been posting, because I think there's more to just our current QB having interceptions and pick 6 problems. I'm willing to wait and watch offseason moves, hear a next season opponent say "I didn't know what the QB or the offense was going to do", and see if we can return to some type of balance that grants a 60 minute game of good football, not 15 minutes of it.......win or lose.

Okay..that's fine. Yes...move on here. We don't seem to be getting anywhere. Just a different perspective on things, and that's okay by me.

Moving on...are ya good with KM gone? I know I have identified him as problematic, at times. My very inexpert, perhaps inept, opinion.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Are these guys getting warnings for making 2000 dak threads saying the exact same thing in every thread?

I know right? You could scroll to just the user name and say exactly what they said in the comments section. All the bickering, one-ups..and frankly, childish insults. (Yep...I have surely been guilty...but I'm TRYING! )

As if anyone knows anything for sure....like they have their own Lombardi case.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Okay - here's a response.

Facts and stats say Romo was extremely good and very efficient late in his career and had an MVP season in 2016 only to be robbed of a Divisional playoff game. The failed moments you mentioned are cliched because they were magnified by his visibility as Cowboys QB. He was on more national games than any other player in the league during his career including Brady. Nobody ever aw Matt Ryan's 1:00 Sunday afternoon bad games or Ben's horrible late-game mistakes (one against us on a potential game-winning drive) nor did people care.

He was clutch (led the league in comebacks and 4th quarter QB rating at the time of his retirement) and his false narrative of INT's is put to bed by the fact he has a better career INT% than Staubach, Aikman, Elway, Marino, and Favre.

Personally, I don't think there is a comparison between Romo and Dak as far as the QB position is concerned. They are different players with different skill sets with different teams around them.

Well said Dandy. It does not fit the narrative....it's like people don;t bother to get into the stats, they just want to make a 30 thousand foot bomb.....well a dud is what it is.

You;d think by now Romo would be forgotten. But people keep dredging him up, seemigly to attack Dak Critics.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So if we can win 4 games with an undrafted QB that, by your own word, "sucks" imagine what we could do in 2024 with a drafted QB (not necessarily 1st Rd), or a lesser veteran (paid less than half Dak's $52m) and improve the Offense as a whole.

fools gold. we won short term because of defense. build me a top notch defense and we can put me in and I win 8 games. remember the ravens with trent dilfer. they went a 4 game stretch not scoring a TD and still won!!! was it dilfer?

facts are that the defense started to lose key players, diminished and couldn't continue the same pace. by the end of the season we went 4 games with total of 2 sacks. couldn't stop the run.

and the facts are we had 20M available on the cap. could have signed an impact player or two good players. we CHOSE not to sign anyone except bottom of the barrell FAs like washington, fowler. and trade for hankins.

 

[starfan1]

Ya'll gotta get over Romo. He's almost been retired a decade now.

If your bar for a QB is Tony Romo then your bar is way too low and that probably explains a lot of the Dak praise if we're being honest.

Expect better.

My bar in terms of romo or dak is insignificant. They both are underacheivers who has been hampered by a disfunctional organization. I dont need a 1st round QB you continue to hold on to that thought. I need a complete roster. The last 1st round QB had a complete roster. Most of the debating about QBs here all center around those 2 QBs youre a minority whereas you dont care for either. 80% of the board is on one side or the other and are dug in.

You need to lose youre visions of patrick mahomes types and just accept what you have here. You know Dak is going to be here yet you continue your schtick. Dak will be extended. I hope that the cowboys spend 3rd or worse on a QB and hopefully strike gold but Im not a super bowl or bust fan so its not that serious to me.

 

[cmoney23]

How could a guy who broke Marino’s 3 year passing records in a cluster F on franchise disarray including his first OC leaving to Philly to be replaced by Lombardi who was incompetent and whose team was devasted by injuries be “amazingly over rated”.

You are comparing him to a dude that was a game manager and complete trash in his second year, looked wildly incompetent during Zeke’s six game suspension, couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn in “Dak friendly offense” and needed Amari trade that costed draft picks to bail them out.

Herbert was playing the last two years with arguably the worst OC in the league, who refused to even attack downfield despite Herbert’s gun, the QB didn’t have his two starting WRs on the field at the same time for multiple games, had multiple starting offensive linemen injured and played with a torn labrum and had a rib injury and was carrying that team to the playoffs on the strength of hus arm. When I say passing arm, Lombardi actually was second to dead last in designed run plays.

And there is not a single GM of coach in the league that round even consider Dak over Herbert.. defensive players throughout the league would laugh at such a comparison..

He's 25 and 24 in his career.

He has one of the best backs in the NFL and probably the best receiving back in the NFL. Two great WRs... Etc.

I guess I look at substance over ESPN generated hype and hope.

FTR I think Herbert is a talent and might develop but from what I've seen in college and in the league he ain't it... Yet

 

[CowboyoWales]

fools gold. we won short term because of defense. build me a top notch defense and we can put me in and I win 8 games. remember the ravens with trent dilfer. they went a 4 game stretch not scoring a TD and still won!!! was it dilfer?

facts are that the defense started to lose key players, diminished and couldn't continue the same pace. by the end of the season we went 4 games with total of 2 sacks. couldn't stop the run.

and the facts are we had 20M available on the cap. could have signed an impact player or two good players. we CHOSE not to sign anyone except bottom of the barrell FAs like washington, fowler. and trade for hankins.

It doesnt matter how we won (we've already accepted that Rush was an undrafted scrub), the point is that even with him we were able to win which somewhat counter's your scare stories that we cant replace Dak. There's a valid argument that we can save massively on the CAP and improve the roster thus allowing the less experienced (or less costly vet) play with a better team.

On the question of the $20m, stop re-writing history, it was initially designated for the signing of Gregory (and to offset the increase in his and Dak's 2023 money).

 

[Cmac]

It's not the picks, it's a mix of the the mediocre QBR (showing garbage time), a lack of composure, an inability to raise his game under pressure....as highlighted in two straight years where he failed to lead the offense to a game winning play-off win/draw when being asked to drive the field with 2;30 and 3:00 mins respectively on the clock.

He has 2023 to put it right, the problem is that a lot of us didnt see him step up this season, what's he going to do with the pressure of the contract and what he must see is a last chance .....especially when some fans are adamant that the issue's either the FO, HC, OC, running game, O-Line or the WR's.

We/You can blame everyone else, but a week before that unacceptable 49ers second half he (and every other aspect of the Offense) were good enough to put out one of their best performances for years.....coincidently a game that virtually EVERYTHING went as planned.

As predicted.....I ruffled some feathers.

 

[Cmac]

Okay - here's a response.

Facts and stats say Romo was extremely good and very efficient late in his career and had an MVP season in 2016 only to be robbed of a Divisional playoff game. The failed moments you mentioned are cliched because they were magnified by his visibility as Cowboys QB. He was on more national games than any other player in the league during his career including Brady. Nobody ever aw Matt Ryan's 1:00 Sunday afternoon bad games or Ben's horrible late-game mistakes (one against us on a potential game-winning drive) nor did people care.

He was clutch (led the league in comebacks and 4th quarter QB rating at the time of his retirement) and his false narrative of INT's is put to bed by the fact he has a better career INT% than Staubach, Aikman, Elway, Marino, and Favre.

Personally, I don't think there is a comparison between Romo and Dak as far as the QB position is concerned. They are different players with different skill sets with different teams around them.

Again.....as predicted.....I ruffled some feathers. Knew it.

 

[Cmac]

Okay..that's fine. Yes...move on here. We don't seem to be getting anywhere. Just a different perspective on things, and that's okay by me.

Moving on...are ya good with KM gone? I know I have identified him as problematic, at times. My very inexpert, perhaps inept, opinion.

SteveTheCowboy.....it's all good. All fun.

But note......as predicted.....knew OTHER posters heard the alarm. And like a volunteer fire department driving to a have a 5 alarm fire........need I say more. I surrender to poster "arson". I just placed Kellen Moore in the beloved category with Romo, Witten, and Lee. Anything that brings a slimmer of contrast to the "greatness", "the legendary statures", "coaching prowess or potential", or "leadership"......certainly will yield responses to ensure a rebuttal.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It doesnt matter how we won (we've already accepted that Rush was an undrafted scrub), the point is that even with him we were able to win which somewhat counter's your scare stories that we cant replace Dak. There's a valid argument that we can save massively on the CAP and improve the roster thus allowing the less experienced (or less costly vet) play with a better team.

On the question of the $20m, stop re-writing history, it was initially designated for the signing of Gregory (and to offset the increase in his and Dak's 2023 money).

no, it does matter how we won. its the most important part. you want to ignore and make this a wins with rush vs. wins with Dak argument and its invalid. the point is with Rush we had a crappy offense and only the defense saved the us. last two games were absolutely horrible offensive outputs. if not for defense scoring and getting turnovers in Rams game, that would have been a loss.

so no team outside of Ravens has won a superbowl with craap at QB. they had an all time best. perhaps the best defense ever to get it done. Rush is << Dilfer.

so how do you plan to build an all time best defense? we have already seen the average QB, with crappy defense story, it was DaNucci, Dalton, Gilbert, show with an average defense. 20 points a game ain't going to get you anywhere

and this is not the pre salary cap era. teams hold on to their players, ala donald, etc. very rarely do they let them go and it will be difficult to built a tough defense via FA. I can't recall the last time it worked. you can get a player to fill a gap here and there, but dominant defenses don't happen accidentally or through FA.

regarding the 20M, its not re-writing history. it was disgnated. he didn't sign. it was available and we pursued no one. didn't use it. so don't try to re-write history to fit your narrative.

and your gregory comments points to one thing. our GM. lets say he paid Gregory and we had no cap. was he the right choice? you want to have Rush and all the cap space, but you want to designate it to Gregory type of players. is that how you plan to build a team....

come on man.

 

[CyberB0b]

He’s Kirk Cousins

 

[Cmac]

Okay - here's a response.

Facts and stats say Romo was extremely good and very efficient late in his career and had an MVP season in 2016 only to be robbed of a Divisional playoff game. The failed moments you mentioned are cliched because they were magnified by his visibility as Cowboys QB. He was on more national games than any other player in the league during his career including Brady. Nobody ever aw Matt Ryan's 1:00 Sunday afternoon bad games or Ben's horrible late-game mistakes (one against us on a potential game-winning drive) nor did people care.

He was clutch (led the league in comebacks and 4th quarter QB rating at the time of his retirement) and his false narrative of INT's is put to bed by the fact he has a better career INT% than Staubach, Aikman, Elway, Marino, and Favre.

Personally, I don't think there is a comparison between Romo and Dak as far as the QB position is concerned. They are different players with different skill sets with different teams around them.

....you realize you mentioned other QBs as a comparison, that have been to a Super Bowl, playing on the field......not the booth? And insulted the likes of Staubach, Aikman, Elway, Marino, and Favre is one swoop. The post seems sensitive......dare I say.

 

[CowboyoWales]

no, it does matter how we won. its the most important part. you want to ignore and make this a wins with rush vs. wins with Dak argument and its invalid. the point is with Rush we had a crappy offense and only the defense saved the us. last two games were absolutely horrible offensive outputs. if not for defense scoring and getting turnovers in Rams game, that would have been a loss.

so no team outside of Ravens has won a superbowl with craap at QB. they had an all time best. perhaps the best defense ever to get it done. Rush is << Dilfer.

so how do you plan to build an all time best defense? we have already seen the average QB, with crappy defense story, it was DaNucci, Dalton, Gilbert, show with an average defense. 20 points a game ain't going to get you anywhere

and this is not the pre salary cap era. teams hold on to their players, ala donald, etc. very rarely do they let them go and it will be difficult to built a tough defense via FA. I can't recall the last time it worked. you can get a player to fill a gap here and there, but dominant defenses don't happen accidentally or through FA.

regarding the 20M, its not re-writing history. it was disgnated. he didn't sign. it was available and we pursued no one. didn't use it. so don't try to re-write history to fit your narrative.

and your gregory comments points to one thing. our GM. lets say he paid Gregory and we had no cap. was he the right choice? you want to have Rush and all the cap space, but you want to designate it to Gregory type of players. is that how you plan to build a team....

come on man.

We still averaged 21 pts WITH COOPER RUSH....we will get better than Cooper Rush, for a fraction of Dak's $52m (I concede Dak's her for the $49m season). There is nothing can dispel the "Blame Anyone But Dak" argument when one week all these excuses we're there vrs the Buccs and then as soon as Pollard goes down THE VERY NEXT PLAY he gets picked off and then it's a spiral, ending up the same as it did the previous year....over 2:30 minutes on the clock and he fails to deliver.

He does not have that winning mentality against good opposition and he visibly capitulates, nothing's going to overcome that other than a roster that gives him an armchair ride....and we cant get that when we're paying him over 20% of the CAP. Stop throwing good money after bad we need another direction and for that reason we accept he's here in 2024 and restructure some of the money and maybe sign another WR (that helps his predecessor as much as him), but whatever we do we dont extend him.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Taking Tony and Dak out of the conversation, What is underachieving ? What is dysfunctional ?

Aren't the Dallas Cowboys running just as Jerry Designed they do ? I mean you or I may not agree with how he runs the club, but we didn't have to scramble to come up with the money to buy the Team. So is it dysfunctional, or

is it that we don't agree with him ? When you achieve all that you can achieve have you really underachieved ? I remember hearing Tony on an interview. He was saying how grateful he was and that the Lord had been good to him , this was

after

Dak was named the starter. I was mad as hell. I didn't think it was right that Tony loose his job due to injury So I guess my question is , did he underachieve, or did he go as far as he could go and it was peoples expectation of him that failed.

Are the Dallas Cowboys dysfunctional, or is it peoples

expectations that are dysfunctional ? I tell my kids and even my grand kids. Play Hard, leave it all out there and be proud of your accomplishments at the end of the day. I don't think it's right for another person to come along and critique

their effort, because they expected you to accomplish something more than you did and call everything you did accomplish underachieving

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We still averaged 21 pts WITH COOPER RUSH....we will get better than Cooper Rush, for a fraction of Dak's $52m (I concede Dak's her for the $49m season). There is nothing can dispel the "Blame Anyone But Dak" argument when one week all these excuses we're there vrs the Buccs and then as soon as Pollard goes down THE VERY NEXT PLAY he gets picked off and then it's a spiral, ending up the same as it did the previous year....over 2:30 minutes on the clock and he fails to deliver.

He does not have that winning mentality against good opposition and he visibly capitulates, nothing's going to overcome that other than a roster that gives him an armchair ride....and we cant get that when we're paying him over 20% of the CAP. Stop throwing good money after bad we need another direction and for that reason we accept he's here in 2024 and restructure some of the money and maybe sign another WR (that helps his predecessor as much as him), but whatever we do we dont extend him.

yes, 21 for being 21st in the league in scoring. and that was with defense scoring against rams. 27th passing. 27th offense. running game dropped from 5th to 18th. and TOP was dead last. everyone was riding Dak's behind in his rookie contract for having a bad 2017 and 2018. even 2019. and he was on his rookie contract. now you are singing praises of Rush. because you hate Dak. take Dak out of the equation. What did Rush do to impress anyone...this is the same QB, that got cut at the end of 2022 training camp and not one team. not a single team picked him. you want to tell me there are not 15 teams out there looking for a starting QB and none of them thought he was good enough to start for them? 31 teams could have signed him to be their back up and they all passed. not one team thought he was good enough to be back up? cowboys felt so confident they cut him and had no back up, and picked him off waivers for week 1.

Dak sucks. I get it. Dak is not elite. we got it. but that doesn't make Rush any good. Rush sucks more. if Rush remained as starter, we were on the verge of totally spiraling out of control. in fact , imagine if that happened. we end up with a top 5 pick.

Rush sucks. end of story. you can hate on Dak as much as you want. it ain't going to make Rush any good. there is no Universe where anyone would ever say Rush is a better QB than Dak and Dak sucks.

btw, Dak had 17M and 19M cap hit the past two years. so stop with this cap stuff. building a team didn't happen when we had low cap hits. you want to blame Dak. why didn't we sign the oogles of FAs you keep talking about to build a good team. why didn't we sign all these great defensive players to build a Ravenesque defense.....when his cap hit was less than 10%.....where were all those great FAs that we could build around? so now you want to complain about not having a cap space.....

Dak should be gone. who you got? Rush? so I guess you are gunning for #1 over all pick....which is not a bad strategy come to think of it...... just hoping a Burrow type player comes out and not a Mayfield type. because we are screwed then.

 

[CowboyoWales]

yes, 21 for being 21st in the league in scoring. and that was with defense scoring against rams. 27th passing. 27th offense. running game dropped from 5th to 18th. and TOP was dead last. everyone was riding Dak's behind in his rookie contract for having a bad 2017 and 2018. even 2019. and he was on his rookie contract. now you are singing praises of Rush. because you hate Dak. take Dak out of the equation. What did Rush do to impress anyone...this is the same QB, that got cut at the end of 2022 training camp and not one team. not a single team picked him. you want to tell me there are not 15 teams out there looking for a starting QB and none of them thought he was good enough to start for them? 31 teams could have signed him to be their back up and they all passed. not one team thought he was good enough to be back up? cowboys felt so confident they cut him and had no back up, and picked him off waivers for week 1.

Dak sucks. I get it. Dak is not elite. we got it. but that doesn't make Rush any good. Rush sucks more. if Rush remained as starter, we were on the verge of totally spiraling out of control. in fact , imagine if that happened. we end up with a top 5 pick.

Rush sucks. end of story. you can hate on Dak as much as you want. it ain't going to make Rush any good. there is no Universe where anyone would ever say Rush is a better QB than Dak and Dak sucks.

btw, Dak had 17M and 19M cap hit the past two years. so stop with this cap stuff. building a team didn't happen when we had low cap hits. you want to blame Dak. why didn't we sign the oogles of FAs you keep talking about to build a good team. why didn't we sign all these great defensive players to build a Ravenesque defense.....when his cap hit was less than 10%.....where were all those great FAs that we could build around? so now you want to complain about not having a cap space.....

Dak should be gone. who you got? Rush? so I guess you are gunning for #1 over all pick....which is not a bad strategy come to think of it...... just hoping a Burrow type player comes out and not a Mayfield type. because we are screwed then.

Yes 21st with Cooper Rush, we'd get better than Rush.

So what about the last two years, they're gone, it's the next two that's the issue. You keep going back to "who you got, who you got"....it's irrelevant, as soon as you get to Dak's good, but he's not good enough then it's time to stop and cut the $52m as all your doing is wasting money.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Dak IS a top QB.....

If you're comparing him to the rest of the human population.

There's 7 billion people or so on the planet,.. and he's better than all but 20 of those human beings at being a quarterback in American football.

Impressive!!!!!