How is Dak a top QB?

[Adreme]

He can’t even have two good games in a row. I use to be a HUGE Dak supporter but I’ve seen him for what he is. He does not make a single difference in games. Cooper Rush made this VERY clear. He may not be better than Geno Smith.


Mahomes
Jackson
Hurts
Burrow
Herbert
Allen
Trevor Lawerence
Rodgers
Stafford

All demonstrably better quarterbacks than him that can win actual defenses in the playoffs.

Here is the problem and it shows with the list: Stafford looked awful, Hurts looks like a byproduct of having 17/22 starters on the team being either pro bowl or pro bowl alternate, Rodgers looked significantly worse all year (though likely because of worse weapons but being 39 might be a part of it) and Lawrence has had one good year and it was a very up and down year (I also like how Lawrence threw 4 INTs in the playoffs and I am supposed to love him but Dak threw 2 and I am supposed to think he is not in the same league).

Realistically there are maybe 5-6 QBs right now who can say are just good without adding caveats to it. The problem is that you can either spend the next several decades trying to find one of those 5-6 or if you have someone in the 7-15 range you can pay the going rate for them and try to make it work with that. It is hard to say whether there is a right or wrong choice but that is just how it is.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

He can’t even have two good games in a row. I use to be a HUGE Dak supporter but I’ve seen him for what he is. He does not make a single difference in games. Cooper Rush made this VERY clear. He may not be better than Geno Smith.


Mahomes
Jackson
Hurts
Burrow
Herbert
Allen
Trevor Lawerence
Rodgers
Stafford

All demonstrably better quarterbacks than him that can win actual defenses in the playoffs.

LOL, did the Horsemen jump you?

 

[buddahjoe445]

Hes top 10 still yes after even with soem late season mistakes,

cooper rush did absolutely nothing to make any type of statement. daks clearly better then rush and no debate form the peanut gallery can change this.

Rush if you break down each game was barely steering the bus let alone driving it with that supporting cast which BTW broke down after dak got back and no way shape or form could Rush have won most any of those games with NO RUN GAME, Shaky OL, skill players have passes bounce of their hands, sts fumbling, bobbling and broken-down ie Mahers ..

rush played with the team playing elite and still couldn't score point bottom 10 in 3rd down % and scoring and you think Rush made statement? yes any qb including Dak could have won those games and give n that Washington game rush threw 2 INts called back but still threw them, Rams game might as well took a vacay and still fumbled the ball twice lucky agin to get those back( we could have won that game playing wildcat with no QB), 3 Ints in the eagles game.. he had the best of the best stretch in team pay down that stretch and still looked like a backup..

that 100% Facts and rlaity. Dak comes back and immediately gets our offense back top 5 in total scoring, RZ scoring, and 3rd down %..

Rush could not have handled the position after the team broke down especially up front with no run game.

if yiou think so you need a new drug. Those shrooms are hitting you hard, FACT is Dak easily wins those games and by a larger margin given the exact same scenario that wen down in those games. on the flip side Rush would have got killed...

Daks still a top 10 QB hes not typically a INT thrower

His 166 tds 65 ints plus 26 Rushing tds for his career after 97 games and Pmanning had 167 tds 117 ints and only 10 rushing td, Daks number across the board are equal or better including the playoff record at 2-4 but dak had 11 tds and 5 int in the playoffs to Peytons 10td-6 INt

Ironic huh??

the hate for moir own payer who in fact wasn't the worse qb in the playoffs with Turnovers Allen and Trevor were the same or worse..

also a fact top 5 highest paid 2022 qbs didn't even make the playoffs, also Fact Daks being highly and over critisized for issues breaking down around him.

Ive never seen so many INT that came from a ball being tipped at the line, tipped off of receivers hands, having his arm hit or jersey grabbed as he was throwing , and receivers getting pushed off their routes or running bad routes all leading to that unusually high amount of INts and have the QB blamed for them all without actually breaking them down and realize HALF of them were just pain not his fault.

that all this pace does talk about the its we can clearly go back and break down each one and find 50% of them were OTHER issues involved and then not mention how the offense was top 5 in scoring, red zone scoring and 3rd down % most of the games Dak came back and played down the stretch.. all positive..

Dak had freakin 7 years of games and first team reps. Rush had 4 weeks. Lets keep things into perspective and fair when comparing the two. Even with the huge disparity of games and reps between the two, I did not see a big drop off with Rush. In fact, I saw him go through his progression and made better decisions than the 7 year vet.

 

[starfan1]

That'd be weird considering they have the same playoff record.

Still salty! Now we have plenty of Dak haters that fall into that category but he is amongst the worst

But as Dak puts up performances like he did in San Fran game it just fuels their argument even though just like it was with Romo it’s not all on Dak

They however want to make it their narrative

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak had freakin 7 years of games and first team reps. Rush had 4 weeks. Lets keep things into perspective and fair when comparing the two. Even with the huge disparity of games and reps between the two, I did not see a big drop off with Rush. In fact, I saw him go through his progression and made better decisions than the 7 year vet.

yeah, lets keep things in perspective. Rush has been in the league for how many years? he was cut by the cowboys. he was soooo goooood that nobody picked him up except Giants because Garrett was there (one red head protecting another), then he was Cut...by the lowly giants. he was soooooooooo goooooooooood that he got cut in camp in 2022 and 31 teams some desparate for starters and some needing backups...just said..yeah...no thanks...

and now some folks on here have a rush crush, for a guy who was 27th in passing, 27th in offense, 21st in scoring offense and dead last in TOP. Dallas run game had dropped 10 spots with Rush at the helm.

if you think Rush is any good, then you have an agenda to drive and your pegging your hopes on a QB, that if released today, nobody would pick up...again.

and this is not defending Dak, this is just being real about Rush. I take the 4 wins. but man he sucks.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I'm good SteveTheCowboy. TRomo doesn't live hard in my head dude. Just the fact that Dak had a bad season and deserves such criticism. I just lift the rug up to find .....in the words of Al Michael's " Tony Romo has had as many excruitiating losses as anybody, he's had some dramatic wins as well." Yhe same so far for Dak....be WE KNOW it ain't the same beloved and revered homage......despite the same number of playoff wins or win and move on moments that failed. I think you know that too.

Ah good. Glad you're good.

You are taking a very high level fly-by on the issue. No deep dive into the actual details of why the RESULTS look the same?

You could be guilty of doing the same thing you are criticizing Dak critics for....just a lazy assessment...to suit an agenda.

I'd go into some facts and stats on Romo, but I think you actually already know. "But but...what about Romo....".

There seems to be an assumption all Dak Critics hate Dak and fawn lovingly over Romo. And I really don't see it...but...well...whatever, right?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Still salty! Now we have plenty of Dak haters that fall into that category but he is amongst the worst

But as Dak puts up performances like he did in San Fran game it just fuels their argument even though just like it was with Romo it’s not all on Dak

They however want to make it their narrative

Ya'll gotta get over Romo. He's almost been retired a decade now.

If your bar for a QB is Tony Romo then your bar is way too low and that probably explains a lot of the Dak praise if we're being honest.

Expect better.

 

[DillusionalFans]

There is not a single GM in the league that would take Dak over Herbert right now... This post is ridiculously absurd you deserve to be banned from any football forum.

https://thecomeback.com/nfl/nfl-analyst-justin-herbert-peyton-manning.html

Agree. It’s amazing how stupid some Cowboy fans can be (or blinded by Jerry’s marketing pitch).

 

[Cmac]

Ah good. Glad you're good.

You are taking a very high level fly-by on the issue. No deep dive into the actual details of why the RESULTS look the same?

You could be guilty of doing the same thing you are criticizing Dak critics for....just a lazy assessment...to suit an agenda.

I'd go into some facts and stats on Romo, but I think you actually already know. "But but...what about Romo....".

There seems to be an assumption all Dak Critics hate Dak and fawn lovingly over Romo. And I really don't see it...but...well...whatever, right?

There's no criticizing of Dak critics here.......other than.....we've seen our QBs have failed moments at the wrong times or the reasons for team failure. That would be Romo. Actually pulled for TRomo in his career, but the failed moments kept coming......at the most inopportune times. And I assumed at some point......"The Football Gods" would enable him to turn the corner for late season/post season success.

I bring up Romo because some posts, to me.......seem like this QB play hasn't ever happened with this franchise? That is the most baffling part about it. Certainly, Dak should be ripped for poor play......but the "hang him in the court yard" mentality is mystifying.......given we been let down by QB play before.....pre-Dak.....with the same results, yet homage spews all over the place for "pre-Dak". Difference now.......can Dak be fixed.....since he never slung the ball out for everybody else like this, in a season, before. Many don't think so and even run to flaws of "mental" or "not smart", which I certainly despise. Never seen that mentioned pre-Dak. If it happens again, this upcoming year......you got me. That's why the Romo comparsion comes into my post. Mentioning TRomo seems to be a trigger, instead of acknowledgment of a similar situation of QB play frustration.....based on the facts & stats. Watch the responses to this post.

 

[blueblood70]

Dak had freakin 7 years of games and first team reps. Rush had 4 weeks. Lets keep things into perspective and fair when comparing the two. Even with the huge disparity of games and reps between the two, I did not see a big drop off with Rush. In fact, I saw him go through his progression and made better decisions than the 7 year vet.

7 ears you mean Rush has ben backup put on waivers and exposed a dozen times and picked up and out on PS and let go more times than we can count and all of sudden hes threatening to be better than DAK.,.thats a total Joke dude..

the fact you think they are comparing invalidates any posts you might make in the future,, just WOW , dudes lifer backup and Dak a top 10 career qb..period his worst season was last year and still very productive, seriously Daks low point would be career year for Rush,

FACTS.. if you see anything else, you are blind hater troll with an agenda. Dak scored more TDs and zero INT in the Playoff WC game that al;l 5 games for Rush..get grip on reality, rush is career backup not even as good as an Dalton type and you think he in time could be a goods a starter..lmao.

heres a factoid, only 8 of the last 56 QBs drafted have been successful. Dak is a great qb even if hes not elite, he is a starting caliber franchise qb..


Dak never had losing season, his career stats after 97 games is on par if not better then Peyton manning and that one comp how about Troy yup his stats are better then troys i mean troy has 166 tds 141 ints dak alreaay has 167 tds and 65 INts, yup the fact is those hating on last season in which dak had more INts then his Career average isnt looking at other qbs, Troy threw more, Peyton threw more etc etc etc Stafford led the Legue in INts and threw 2 in the SB, Josh allen also had as many INT and more mistakes in the payoffs.. etc etc ,

its team game and Dak didn't get that same team that Rush got to play with and no way rush could be successful when hes truly counted on, Daks already proven he can.. 4 of 6 heathy seasons daks started and finished the year upright all ended in a playoff game , again no losing seasons.

the hate is ridiculous no one thought as 4th round pick he would be elite or expected him to be a HOF qb but he exceeded all expectations is a top 10 starter and those are facts,

this is and always be A team game and down the stretch the team didn't do enough to go further.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

There's no criticizing of Dak critics here.......other than.....we've seen our QBs have failed moments at the wrong times or the reasons for team failure. That would be Romo. Actually pulled for TRomo in his career, but the failed moments kept coming......at the most inopportune times. And I assumed at some point......"The Football Gods" would enable him to turn the corner for late season/post season success.

I bring up Romo because some posts, to me.......seem like this QB play hasn't ever happened with this franchise? That is the most baffling part about it. Certainly, Dak should be ripped for poor play......but the "hang him in the court yard" mentality is mystifying.......given we been let down by QB play before.....pre-Dak.....with the same results, yet homage spews all over the place for "pre-Dak". Difference now.......can Dak be fixed.....since he never slung the ball out for everybody else like this, in a season, before. Many don't think so and even run to flaws of "mental" or "not smart", which I certainly despise. Never seen that mentioned pre-Dak. If it happens again, this upcoming year......you got me. That's why the Romo comparsion comes into my post. Mentioning TRomo seems to be a trigger, instead of acknowledgment of a similar situation of QB play frustration.....based on the facts & stats. Watch the responses to this post.

Okay cool. Have at it then.

I disagree that dak critics think we never had this QB play before. Quincy is one that pops up. And yes...Romo gets invoked a LOT as a failed QB...like you just did.

I also think that yes...Romo did choke on occasion....except the fact that has has a VERY high 4th qtr QB rating and come from behind drives. Don;t you find that odd? I don;t. Because we wouldn't be in it without Romo putting the team there in their first place. How many times do we make him try to win the game after D poops their pants?

This is what I mean by a little detail. It's easy..and lazy....to just look at the final result. Goes for both Dak and Tony.

 

[Ekspozed]

He can’t even have two good games in a row. I use to be a HUGE Dak supporter but I’ve seen him for what he is. He does not make a single difference in games. Cooper Rush made this VERY clear. He may not be better than Geno Smith.


Mahomes
Jackson
Hurts
Burrow
Herbert
Allen
Trevor Lawerence
Rodgers
Stafford

All demonstrably better quarterbacks than him that can win actual defenses in the playoffs.

If you're saying he can't win 2 huge games in a row, you have to automatically discount anyone who has not gotten as far as him because clearly they can't either.


You listed 9 qbs saying dak isnt a top qb.

 

[khiladi]

Herbert is an amazing talent but is amazingly overrated.

How could a guy who broke Marino’s 3 year passing records in a cluster F on franchise disarray including his first OC leaving to Philly to be replaced by Lombardi who was incompetent and whose team was devasted by injuries be “amazingly over rated”.

You are comparing him to a dude that was a game manager and complete trash in his second year, looked wildly incompetent during Zeke’s six game suspension, couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn in “Dak friendly offense” and needed Amari trade that costed draft picks to bail them out.

Herbert was playing the last two years with arguably the worst OC in the league, who refused to even attack downfield despite Herbert’s gun, the QB didn’t have his two starting WRs on the field at the same time for multiple games, had multiple starting offensive linemen injured and played with a torn labrum and had a rib injury and was carrying that team to the playoffs on the strength of hus arm. When I say passing arm, Lombardi actually was second to dead last in designed run plays.

And there is not a single GM of coach in the league that round even consider Dak over Herbert.. defensive players throughout the league would laugh at such a comparison..

 

[kskboys]

Dak had freakin 7 years of games and first team reps. Rush had 4 weeks. Lets keep things into perspective and fair when comparing the two. Even with the huge disparity of games and reps between the two, I did not see a big drop off with Rush. In fact, I saw him go through his progression and made better decisions than the 7 year vet.

Better head for the game.

Gawd, I wish he had an arm.

 

[kskboys]

No he is not….

No joke. I mean, you gotta have your head in the sand to not hear the talk about how bad his OC was.

 

[Cmac]

Okay cool. Have at it then.

I disagree that dak critics think we never had this QB play before. Quincy is one that pops up. And yes...Romo gets invoked a LOT as a failed QB...like you just did.

I also think that yes...Romo did choke on occasion....except the fact that has has a VERY high 4th qtr QB rating and come from behind drives. Don;t you find that odd? I don;t. Because we wouldn't be in it without Romo putting the team there in their first place. How many times do we make him try to win the game after D poops their pants?

This is what I mean by a little detail. It's easy..and lazy....to just look at the final result. Goes for both Dak and Tony.

Quincy??.....He never was expected to take the team far.

There we go again......Romo leading a team by himself. Huh.....you seem to write about a flailing defense as if Dak didn't ever encounter that himself on this team......thus the evoution of a "pass-happy" offense, thus the creation of "empty calorie stats", thus the very need to sling it all over the place in 4th quarters.....perhaps? That's what seems to be interesting. Our D has vastly improved, but that is something new and a bit questionable, at times, during this past season alone, and during Dak's tenure, just as it was with Tony's.

I suspect we should leave the high 4th qtr QB ratings or overall QBRs out ........bottom line......we ain't won anything or sniffed an NFC championship game with either QB. That leaves Dak to be the only between the two, to still have that chance. Maybe that is what is really troubling to some.

Can we just stop tipping the scales? And just see what this team does about the many issues/concerns that need to be addressed to improve further?. All I've been posting, because I think there's more to just our current QB having interceptions and pick 6 problems. I'm willing to wait and watch offseason moves, hear a next season opponent say "I didn't know what the QB or the offense was going to do", and see if we can return to some type of balance that grants a 60 minute game of good football, not 15 minutes of it.......win or lose.

 

[CowboyoWales]

yeah, lets keep things in perspective. Rush has been in the league for how many years? he was cut by the cowboys. he was soooo goooood that nobody picked him up except Giants because Garrett was there (one red head protecting another), then he was Cut...by the lowly giants. he was soooooooooo goooooooooood that he got cut in camp in 2022 and 31 teams some desparate for starters and some needing backups...just said..yeah...no thanks...

and now some folks on here have a rush crush, for a guy who was 27th in passing, 27th in offense, 21st in scoring offense and dead last in TOP. Dallas run game had dropped 10 spots with Rush at the helm.

if you think Rush is any good, then you have an agenda to drive and your pegging your hopes on a QB, that if released today, nobody would pick up...again.

and this is not defending Dak, this is just being real about Rush. I take the 4 wins. but man he sucks.

So if we can win 4 games with an undrafted QB that, by your own word, "sucks" imagine what we could do in 2024 with a drafted QB (not necessarily 1st Rd), or a lesser veteran (paid less than half Dak's $52m) and improve the Offense as a whole.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Quincy??.....He never was expected to take the team far.

There we go again......Romo leading a team by himself. Huh.....you seem to write about a flailing defense as if Dak didn't ever encounter that himself on this team......thus the evoution of a "pass-happy" offense, thus the creation of "empty calorie stats", thus the very need to sling it all over the place in 4th quarters.....perhaps? That's what seems to be interesting. Our D has vastly improved, but that is something new and a bit questionable, at times, during this past season alone, and during Dak's tenure, just as it was with Tony's.

I suspect we should leave the high 4th qtr QB ratings or overall QBRs out ........bottom line......we ain't won anything or sniffed an NFC championship game with either QB. That leaves Dak to be the only between the two, to still have that chance. Maybe that is what is really troubling to some.

Can we just stop tipping the scales? And just see what this team does about the many issues/concerns that need to be addressed to improve further?. All I've been posting, because I think there's more to just our current QB having interceptions and pick 6 problems. I'm willing to wait and watch offseason moves, hear a next season opponent say "I didn't know what the QB or the offense was going to do", and see if we can return to some type of balance that grants a 60 minute game of good football, not 15 minutes of it.......win or lose.

It's not the picks, it's a mix of the the mediocre QBR (showing garbage time), a lack of composure, an inability to raise his game under pressure....as highlighted in two straight years where he failed to lead the offense to a game winning play-off win/draw when being asked to drive the field with 2;30 and 3:00 mins respectively on the clock.

He has 2023 to put it right, the problem is that a lot of us didnt see him step up this season, what's he going to do with the pressure of the contract and what he must see is a last chance .....especially when some fans are adamant that the issue's either the FO, HC, OC, running game, O-Line or the WR's.

We/You can blame everyone else, but a week before that unacceptable 49ers second half he (and every other aspect of the Offense) were good enough to put out one of their best performances for years.....coincidently a game that virtually EVERYTHING went as planned.

 

[DandyDon1722]

There's no criticizing of Dak critics here.......other than.....we've seen our QBs have failed moments at the wrong times or the reasons for team failure. That would be Romo. Actually pulled for TRomo in his career, but the failed moments kept coming......at the most inopportune times. And I assumed at some point......"The Football Gods" would enable him to turn the corner for late season/post season success.

I bring up Romo because some posts, to me.......seem like this QB play hasn't ever happened with this franchise? That is the most baffling part about it. Certainly, Dak should be ripped for poor play......but the "hang him in the court yard" mentality is mystifying.......given we been let down by QB play before.....pre-Dak.....with the same results, yet homage spews all over the place for "pre-Dak". Difference now.......can Dak be fixed.....since he never slung the ball out for everybody else like this, in a season, before. Many don't think so and even run to flaws of "mental" or "not smart", which I certainly despise. Never seen that mentioned pre-Dak. If it happens again, this upcoming year......you got me. That's why the Romo comparsion comes into my post. Mentioning TRomo seems to be a trigger, instead of acknowledgment of a similar situation of QB play frustration.....based on the facts & stats. Watch the responses to this post.

Okay - here's a response.

Facts and stats say Romo was extremely good and very efficient late in his career and had an MVP season in 2016 only to be robbed of a Divisional playoff game. The failed moments you mentioned are cliched because they were magnified by his visibility as Cowboys QB. He was on more national games than any other player in the league during his career including Brady. Nobody ever aw Matt Ryan's 1:00 Sunday afternoon bad games or Ben's horrible late-game mistakes (one against us on a potential game-winning drive) nor did people care.

He was clutch (led the league in comebacks and 4th quarter QB rating at the time of his retirement) and his false narrative of INT's is put to bed by the fact he has a better career INT% than Staubach, Aikman, Elway, Marino, and Favre.

Personally, I don't think there is a comparison between Romo and Dak as far as the QB position is concerned. They are different players with different skill sets with different teams around them.

 

[Mr_Slicky]

He can’t even have two good games in a row. I use to be a HUGE Dak supporter but I’ve seen him for what he is. He does not make a single difference in games. Cooper Rush made this VERY clear. He may not be better than Geno Smith.


Mahomes
Jackson
Hurts
Burrow
Herbert
Allen
Trevor Lawerence
Rodgers
Stafford

All demonstrably better quarterbacks than him that can win actual defenses in the playoffs.

He’s not. He isn’t even a top 10 QB. People rely too much on regular season stats. His entire body of work needs to be looked at.