How Long Does Garret Get? Realistically.

[JoeCorrado]

Jimmy started off with a talentless 3-13 team and was forced to clean house his first year. The Cowboys underwent a complete overhaul in 89. Jimmy went from 1-15 in 89 with a roster full of inexperienced players to 7-9 in 90 which was an improvement. That team was clearly in rebuilding mode but you could see the team had made some strides. Garrett started off with a lot more talent than Jimmy did. He had the Cowboys playing better football at the end of the 2010 season with Kitna at QB than he did at the end of this past season with Romo at QB.

The Cowboys finished the 2010 season 3-2 and that team had nothing to play for. They finished this past season 1-4 with everything to play for but you wouldn't have known it by the lack of fire and passion the team showed. The Cowboys were a better team early in the 2011 season than they were late in the season. Even the defense looked better early in the season but the entire team got worse as the season went on. Hopefully it won't take several more bad seasons for Jerry to hire a qualified HC who knows how to manage the clock and isn't stupid enough to freeze their own kicker.

I don't understand how everybody forgets that Jimmy also started with future HOF players at QB, WR, and RB... he did nor start with a bare cupboard. He also got the benefit of the Walker trade... best step up in the history of the sport.

You insinuating that Garrett has that today? I hope he does, and if he wins 3 rings, I am certain of it. Ah, the rings.... how they make the heart / mind grow fonder.

Jimmy had his moments as a coach those first seasons, too- I understand how the passage of time, and memory can change things, but Garrett is fine, just like Jimmy was.

 

[fairviewfarmer]

If we fail to make the playoffs again next year, that will be 2.5 seasons under Garrett. We will have a pool of 40 games in which to judge him, so the question is how long does he get?

Gailey was fired after 2 seasons, Campo got 3 seasons, Wade got 3.5 seasons and that was with a playoff win.

So 2.5 is not out of line with what other coaches have been given. I have been reading on here that we have to give Garrett 4 or 5 seasons to put his plan in place. Well it doesnt appear previous coaches were giving that much time and some had playoff success as well.

I think if Garrett fails to make the playoffs again next year after having a full offseason and OTAs, then I think it will be very hard to sell to the fans that he is the right guy for the job. Just curious to see if others feel the same way.

Maybe someone has already posted something similar but I didn't read the whole thread so here goes. In my opinion we may as well keep Garrett forever or at least until Jerry is gone because who ever we get is gonna be the coach of a "cluster" and really no more than a puppet with the idiot GM above him. I now fell sorry for Wade Phillips for what he put up with and I feel sorry for Jason Garrett because he(and any other coach) is doomed to fail in the situation jerry is putting them in. Its hard to be a fan of the boys but I just cant cheer for anyone else so I'm stuck.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

Need to give Garrett time to set his foundation and what he wants his roster to be made up of & whether he wants the defense to be changed or what not..

 

[KJJ]

I don't understand how everybody forgets that he also started with future HOF players at QB, WR, and RB... he did nor start with a bare cupboard. He also got the benefit of the Walker trade... best step up in the history of the sport.

Jimmy had dis moments as a coach those first seasons- I understand how the passage of time, and memory can change things, but Garrett is fine, just like Jimmy was.

Jimmy didn't exactly start with a HOF QB and RB it was his idea to draft them just like it was his idea to trade Walker. The cupboard was bare when he arrived in Feb of 89 the team was 3-13 the year before. For Landry and Shramm to get the heave it was clear the organization had hit rock bottom. Jimmy immediately cut loose of several veteran players that's why the team got worse before it got better. Jimmy was in control of all the personnel moves the team was making telling Jerry what needed to be done. Jimmy was fully qualified to be the Cowboys HC after having been a highly successful college coach.

He was a leader of men and knew how to build and run a football team that's why Jerry hired him. No way did Jimmy's teams lack fire or passion like the team Garrett fielded last Sunday night. Garrett is just another Jerry Jones yes man who's going to nod his head in agreement at every move Jerry wants to make. After watching Garrett's decision making this past season no way is Jerry going to give him much if any say.

 

[Bleu Star]

Love the level headed responses. He should have the same benefit most first time head coaches receive. That's normally three full seasons at HC. So that means he should get at least two more years to cement the transformation.

 

[Venger]

UNLESS we go 1-7 or 2-9 and it's clear the team has quit, Garrett gets all of next year to show improvement. And I think that's ALL he gets. 8-8 next year likely will - and should - get Garrett the boot back down the coaching ladder for another 5 years of remedial tasks and learning before he gets another shot. It won't be the end for Garrett, just a realization that he needs a little more seasoning before he's ready for the big chair.

It's not a big deal to not hit a home run your first at bat, so Garrett shouldn't be seen as a career washout if next year doesn't turn out great. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes, it rains. Think about that...

 

[fairviewfarmer]

UNLESS we go 1-7 or 2-9 and it's clear the team has quit, Garrett gets all of next year to show improvement. And I think that's ALL he gets. 8-8 next year likely will - and should - get Garrett the boot back down the coaching ladder for another 5 years of remedial tasks and learning before he gets another shot. It won't be the end for Garrett, just a realization that he needs a little more seasoning before he's ready for the big chair.

It's not a big deal to not hit a home run your first at bat, so Garrett shouldn't be seen as a career washout if next year doesn't turn out great. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes, it rains. Think about that...

The problem becomes worse when Garrett strikes out and we have the same old "GM" hiring the next puppet.:bang2:

 

[Venger]

The problem becomes worse when Garrett strikes out and we have the same old "GM" hiring the next puppet.:bang2:

There is indeed a strong sense we are changing captains on the Edmund Fitzgerald, yes...

 

[The30YardSlant]

Is this considered rebuilding years?

If so, you got to give him at least 4-5 years to get the pieces and make a run.

Making a title run is one thing, but making the playoffs with an elite QB in year 2.5 shouldnt be too much to ask. Jimmy took over the worst team in football in 1989 and had them in the playoffs in year three. The list of coaches who didnt make the playoffs in their first three seasons and then went on to win big is very small.

 

[ChopBlock]

Campo got 3 years.
Wade got 3.5 years.

Jerry will give Garrett at least that many, meaning a minimum of 2 more years, whether it's warranted or not.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Campo got 3 years.
Wade got 3.5 years.

Jerry will give Garrett at least that many, meaning a minimum of 2 more years, whether it's warranted or not.

Wade made the playoffs in year one and year three and Campo was Jerry refusing to admit his mistake.

 

[ChopBlock]

Wade made the playoffs in year one and year three and Campo was Jerry refusing to admit his mistake.

Yes and yes.

But I still think Garrett will get at least 3.5 years. Jason is his guy. Was his HC-in-waiting from the moment he was hired to be the OC before Wade was even brought in. If JJ couldn't admit his mistake with Campo in under three years then there's no way imo he will admit his mistake with Garrett without giving him at least three full seasons, meaning 2 more years.

 

[Ratmatt]

If we fail to make the playoffs again next year, that will be 2.5 seasons under Garrett. We will have a pool of 40 games in which to judge him, so the question is how long does he get?

Gailey was fired after 2 seasons, Campo got 3 seasons, Wade got 3.5 seasons and that was with a playoff win.

So 2.5 is not out of line with what other coaches have been given. I have been reading on here that we have to give Garrett 4 or 5 seasons to put his plan in place. Well it doesnt appear previous coaches were giving that much time and some had playoff success as well.

I think if Garrett fails to make the playoffs again next year after having a full offseason and OTAs, then I think it will be very hard to sell to the fans that he is the right guy for the job. Just curious to see if others feel the same way.

I think he will get 4-5 years total.

 

[psychowr2]

If we don't have a winning season next year, then maybe he'll last one more year. If we have a winning season, he'll easily be back in 2013, but if we make the playoffs, he'll get an extension. If we win playoff games, he'll get a nicer extension.

 

[dreghorn2]

From Jerry? Probably three more years.

Just about long enough to coincide with the end of Romo, I'm afraid.

Actually, I want to edit my post. Three more years if things go very badly. If we show even a glimmer of hope, Jerry will re-start the clock, which could keep him in there almost forever.

In fact, as old as Jerry is getting, I wouldn't be surprised if Garrett is the last coach Jerry hires. He's obviously very comfortable with this relationship.

I agree with this 100%.

 

[Woods]

I think about 3 more years to prove himself.

 

[fifaguy]

I agree with this 100%.

Agreed. There is no "realistic" in this case because the situation of the Cowboys is unique in the NFL.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Barring major injury issues, he should be fired if he fails to make the playoffs next season.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Is this considered rebuilding years?

If so, you got to give him at least 4-5 years to get the pieces and make a run.

There has to be results on the field to justify this. If we fail to make the playoffs again next year I just dont see how you can tell the fans that Garrett is the guy and we will reevaluate him in 5 years.

I dont think the fans will buy that.

 

[starchamber]

If we fail to make the playoffs again next year, that will be 2.5 seasons under Garrett. We will have a pool of 40 games in which to judge him, so the question is how long does he get?

Gailey was fired after 2 seasons, Campo got 3 seasons, Wade got 3.5 seasons and that was with a playoff win.

So 2.5 is not out of line with what other coaches have been given. I have been reading on here that we have to give Garrett 4 or 5 seasons to put his plan in place. Well it doesnt appear previous coaches were giving that much time and some had playoff success as well.

I think if Garrett fails to make the playoffs again next year after having a full offseason and OTAs, then I think it will be very hard to sell to the fans that he is the right guy for the job. Just curious to see if others feel the same way.

If we have the same outcome and effort as this year, next year should be his last...But I am sure Jerry won't pull the trigger...