How LVE is hurting this run defense

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per Akoye Media

- Great break down by Akoye with LVE film session. i wanted to add this to the existing LVE thread,
but could not find it.

- This is why we seriously need an upgrade over LVE

- Something must be up with Anthony Barr as they dont see him an immediate replacement.
He's a sore spot but LVE is NOT the only one that is killing this run defense, but he's a start as
to why.

- Despite his immense size and length, he's just not instinctive and physical enuff
he looks like Tarzan ,,but he plays like Jane,

 

[Adiba1977]

He’s too slow. Not aggressive attacking - plays into the block. Trash. Need better lb play. I’d trade for lb over dt probably. Good lb will help stop run.

 

[morat1959]

Great analysis! Teams are running right at him. They know he’s the weak link.

 

[CowboyRoy]

per Akoye Media

- Great break down by Akoye with LVE film session. i wanted to add this to the existing LVE thread,
but could not find it.

- This is why we seriously need an upgrade over LVE

- Something must be up with Anthony Barr as they dont see him an immediate replacement.
He's a sore spot but LVE is NOT the only one that is killing this run defense, but he's a start as
to why.

- Despite his immense size and length, he's just not instinctive and physical enuff
he looks like Tarzan ,,but he plays like Jane,

this is the jaylo smith school of linebacking.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Great analysis! Teams are running right at him. They know he’s the weak link.

Right so Let’s stop talking about making a trade for a DT.

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Seen this before and just confirms i am not the only one. Just a human blocking sled. Poor instincts, poor vision, poor speed, and i was shocked they kept him another year to continue being a weak link. Sooner we get away from him, the better.

 

[youngjerryjones]

he's right...he's waiting for the block or waiting to read the play before engaging with the blocker or running straight through the hole...IMHO...

1. lack of confidence for putting his head in there - neck injury
2. poor coaching from the old regime of read and react...you can still smell the old stink off him

for point 2...i firmly believe that until we move on from every single player from that old regime we will not have a new culture...DLAW and Zeke are the last 2 and I think Dak knows his bed is made with his BFF being cut in 2023. In regards to LVE...he could have been one of those players that excelled in this DQ system but unfortunately injuries are a part of the sport...there's no coincidence i read an article today and Todd Gurley mentioned he was done from football...great players come and go some flash in a pan and others do it for decades unfortunately for LVE I really think his heart is to be that guy but his body won't let him

 

[Typhus]

Hopeful that Clark and Cox can eventually replace LVE.
He gets stood up, turned around, and plays poor gap control.
LVE is the weak link on defense, but alternatives in Cox and Clark have not shown up yet.

 

[xwalker]

per Akoye Media

- Great break down by Akoye with LVE film session. i wanted to add this to the existing LVE thread,
but could not find it.

- This is why we seriously need an upgrade over LVE

- Something must be up with Anthony Barr as they dont see him an immediate replacement.
He's a sore spot but LVE is NOT the only one that is killing this run defense, but he's a start as
to why.

- Despite his immense size and length, he's just not instinctive and physical enuff
he looks like Tarzan ,,but he plays like Jane,

He is completely wrong on most points.

I wish that more fans would spend time reviewing game footage and learning the details of schemes. It is really fascinating what good coaches can accomplish.

Quinn's usage of LVE is really interesting for anyone that spends enough time studying it. Nobody will understand Quinn's usage of LVE by watching 1
LVE plays stack & shed in Quinn's scheme.
- It is similar to 2-gap by DLinemen.

His role is to engage the OLineman blocking on the 2nd level. If you watch enough game footage you'll see him seek out a blocker that is attempting to get to another defender.

Quinn's requirement is for LVE to end up on the same side of the blocker as the ball carrier. It is expected that a 255 pound LB will give up ground to a 320 pound OLineman.

They goal is for other defenders to make the tackle before the ball carrier gets to LVE with LVE there to cleanup when they don't.

This concept frees up other players like Micah Parsons to not have rigid gap responsibilities. That allows Parsons to roam and make big plays.

In Quinn's scheme the other defenders key off of LVE taking on the 2nd level blocker. Their lateral flow does not suddenly get stopped by that blocker because the blocker is already engaged with LVE.

LVE engaged with the 2nd level blocker forces the ball carrier to commit to one side of that blocker. This makes it easier for other defenders to take good angles.

 

[youngjerryjones]

Hopeful that Clark and Cox can eventually replace LVE.
He gets stood up, turned around, and plays poor gap control.
LVE is the weak link on defense, but alternatives in Cox and Clark have not shown up yet.

yeah i think you nailed it in around week 12-15 we should see Clark transition from ST to snaps at LB

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

He is completely wrong on most points.

I wish that more fans would spend time reviewing game footage and learning the details of schemes. It is really fascinating what good coaches can accomplish.

Quinn's usage of LVE is really interesting for anyone that spends enough time studying it. Nobody will understand Quinn's usage of LVE by watching 1
LVE plays stack & shed in Quinn's scheme.
- It is similar to 2-gap by DLinemen.

His role is to engage the OLineman blocking on the 2nd level. If you watch enough game footage you'll see him seek out a blocker that is attempting to get to another defender.

Quinn's requirement is for LVE to end up on the same side of the blocker as the ball carrier. It is expected that a 255 pound LB will give up ground to a 320 pound OLineman.

They goal is for other defenders to make the tackle before the ball carrier gets to LVE with LVE there to cleanup when they don't.

This concept frees up other players like Micah Parsons to not have rigid gap responsibilities. That allows Parsons to roam and make big plays.

In Quinn's scheme the other defenders key off of LVE taking on the 2nd level blocker. Their lateral flow does not suddenly get stopped by that blocker because the blocker is already engaged with LVE.

LVE engaged with the 2nd level blocker forces the ball carrier to commit to one side of that blocker. This makes it easier for other defenders to take good angles.

Folks, you can trust xwalker. He’s the same guy that told you Jaylon Smith was actually ballin’ out before he got cut.

You literally have no idea of what you’re talking about. You didn’t know the difference between a 3-4 and 4-3 until last season.

 

[youngjerryjones]

He is completely wrong on most points.

I wish that more fans would spend time reviewing game footage and learning the details of schemes. It is really fascinating what good coaches can accomplish.

Quinn's usage of LVE is really interesting for anyone that spends enough time studying it. Nobody will understand Quinn's usage of LVE by watching 1
LVE plays stack & shed in Quinn's scheme.
- It is similar to 2-gap by DLinemen.

His role is to engage the OLineman blocking on the 2nd level. If you watch enough game footage you'll see him seek out a blocker that is attempting to get to another defender.

Quinn's requirement is for LVE to end up on the same side of the blocker as the ball carrier. It is expected that a 255 pound LB will give up ground to a 320 pound OLineman.

They goal is for other defenders to make the tackle before the ball carrier gets to LVE with LVE there to cleanup when they don't.

This concept frees up other players like Micah Parsons to not have rigid gap responsibilities. That allows Parsons to roam and make big plays.

In Quinn's scheme the other defenders key off of LVE taking on the 2nd level blocker. Their lateral flow does not suddenly get stopped by that blocker because the blocker is already engaged with LVE.

LVE engaged with the 2nd level blocker forces the ball carrier to commit to one side of that blocker. This makes it easier for other defenders to take good angles.

I get what you are saying but if he is using LVE like that... that's embarrassing and furthers my point that his injury has dropped off his ability to only be useful in being a body to take on second level blocks - to me that is not first round draft capital worthy

 

[mattjames2010]

Can't believe this dude still has defenders on here.

 

[Creeper]

He is completely wrong on most points.

I wish that more fans would spend time reviewing game footage and learning the details of schemes. It is really fascinating what good coaches can accomplish.

Quinn's usage of LVE is really interesting for anyone that spends enough time studying it. Nobody will understand Quinn's usage of LVE by watching 1
LVE plays stack & shed in Quinn's scheme.
- It is similar to 2-gap by DLinemen.

His role is to engage the OLineman blocking on the 2nd level. If you watch enough game footage you'll see him seek out a blocker that is attempting to get to another defender.

Quinn's requirement is for LVE to end up on the same side of the blocker as the ball carrier. It is expected that a 255 pound LB will give up ground to a 320 pound OLineman.

They goal is for other defenders to make the tackle before the ball carrier gets to LVE with LVE there to cleanup when they don't.

This concept frees up other players like Micah Parsons to not have rigid gap responsibilities. That allows Parsons to roam and make big plays.

In Quinn's scheme the other defenders key off of LVE taking on the 2nd level blocker. Their lateral flow does not suddenly get stopped by that blocker because the blocker is already engaged with LVE.

LVE engaged with the 2nd level blocker forces the ball carrier to commit to one side of that blocker. This makes it easier for other defenders to take good angles.

I haven't studied him as much as you apparently have but there are plays in this video that show he is clearly not seeking out a blocking lineman and he is in position to make a tackle. If his assignment is to ignore the ball carrier to seek out a blocker allowing the runner to get an extra 5 yards, then it is a bad scheme.

I will say this, LVE is playing better now than he was in early September. I will also add, it is not just him. There was a play in this video where Parsons was outside and LVE got blocked to the inside. Parsons was unblocked and he, for whatever reason, allow the runner to cut inside and get pass him for about 6 yards. The Cowboys were too worried about Hurts keeping the ball.

 

[jrumann59]

He is completely wrong on most points.

I wish that more fans would spend time reviewing game footage and learning the details of schemes. It is really fascinating what good coaches can accomplish.

Quinn's usage of LVE is really interesting for anyone that spends enough time studying it. Nobody will understand Quinn's usage of LVE by watching 1
LVE plays stack & shed in Quinn's scheme.
- It is similar to 2-gap by DLinemen.

His role is to engage the OLineman blocking on the 2nd level. If you watch enough game footage you'll see him seek out a blocker that is attempting to get to another defender.

Quinn's requirement is for LVE to end up on the same side of the blocker as the ball carrier. It is expected that a 255 pound LB will give up ground to a 320 pound OLineman.

They goal is for other defenders to make the tackle before the ball carrier gets to LVE with LVE there to cleanup when they don't.

This concept frees up other players like Micah Parsons to not have rigid gap responsibilities. That allows Parsons to roam and make big plays.

In Quinn's scheme the other defenders key off of LVE taking on the 2nd level blocker. Their lateral flow does not suddenly get stopped by that blocker because the blocker is already engaged with LVE.

LVE engaged with the 2nd level blocker forces the ball carrier to commit to one side of that blocker. This makes it easier for other defenders to take good angles.

Yes, he is used sort like a roaming DL because they use so many safeties in a the "base" who will not be able to handle blockers. But I am sure many will say, "but, but LB are supposed to make the tackle".

 

[xwalker]

he's right...he's waiting for the block or waiting to read the play before engaging with the blocker or running straight through the hole...IMHO...

1. lack of confidence for putting his head in there - neck injury
2. poor coaching from the old regime of read and react...you can still smell the old stink off him

for point 2...i firmly believe that until we move on from every single player from that old regime we will not have a new culture...DLAW and Zeke are the last 2 and I think Dak knows his bed is made with his BFF being cut in 2023. In regards to LVE...he could have been one of those players that excelled in this DQ system but unfortunately injuries are a part of the sport...there's no coincidence i read an article today and Todd Gurley mentioned he was done from football...great players come and go some flash in a pan and others do it for decades unfortunately for LVE I really think his heart is to be that guy but his body won't let him

No, that is by design.

LVE's role is to engage the OL blocking on the 2nd level. It is similar to a DLineman playing 2-gap.

Marinelli had no answer for the zone blocking scheme. The 2018 Rams made it to the Super Bowl based on their unique version of the ZBS. The Cowboys would always be out of position vs that run scheme because it exploited inherent weaknesses in Marinelli's scheme.

Their RB had 3 keys...the 2 LBs and the 1tech DT.
1 correct read: positive gain.
2 correct reads big gain.
3 correct reads TD.

Quinn's scheme has schematic answers for most versions of the zbs and a big part of the answer is LVE playing stack & shed technique instead of run & hit technique.

LVE's performance was top 2 on defense in the playoff game. He had 13 total tackles. The problem is that the goal in Quinn's scheme is for other defenders to make the tackle before the RB gets to LVE.

 

[xwalker]

Yes, he is used sort like a roaming DL because they use so many safeties in a the "base" who will not be able to handle blockers. But I am sure many will say, "but, but LB are supposed to make the tackle".

Good D-Coordinators often redefine the traditional roles of players.

Belichick has been a master of the concept of redefined roles.

Examples:
BB will do things like play a Nickel CB back with a LB or SS up pressing the slot WR.

BB often flips gap responsibilities between DL and LBs.

BB has used many different front alignments.
- DTs at DE with DEs or big LBs inside.

Others
The Legion of Boom redefined the role of CBs and Safeties where outside CBs would play man or zone based on the WR's movement off the snap. WR outside, CB in man. WR inside, CB drops into a deep zone. It narrowed the area the FS had to cover which allowed Earl Thomas to make plays instead of playing it safe.

Richard Sherman said that if he had been forced to play the tradition style, citing Revis as an example of that style, that he would have struggled in the NFL.

Quinn has built Diggs style of play into the scheme. Diggs, like Richard Sherman, would not be optimal playing the traditional style.

 

[Mr_437]

He is completely wrong on most points.

I wish that more fans would spend time reviewing game footage and learning the details of schemes. It is really fascinating what good coaches can accomplish.

Quinn's usage of LVE is really interesting for anyone that spends enough time studying it. Nobody will understand Quinn's usage of LVE by watching 1
LVE plays stack & shed in Quinn's scheme.
- It is similar to 2-gap by DLinemen.

His role is to engage the OLineman blocking on the 2nd level. If you watch enough game footage you'll see him seek out a blocker that is attempting to get to another defender.

Quinn's requirement is for LVE to end up on the same side of the blocker as the ball carrier. It is expected that a 255 pound LB will give up ground to a 320 pound OLineman.

They goal is for other defenders to make the tackle before the ball carrier gets to LVE with LVE there to cleanup when they don't.

This concept frees up other players like Micah Parsons to not have rigid gap responsibilities. That allows Parsons to roam and make big plays.

In Quinn's scheme the other defenders key off of LVE taking on the 2nd level blocker. Their lateral flow does not suddenly get stopped by that blocker because the blocker is already engaged with LVE.

LVE engaged with the 2nd level blocker forces the ball carrier to commit to one side of that blocker. This makes it easier for other defenders to take good angles.

Are you saying DQ has a scheme where the MLB is functioning as NT (2 gap)? C'mon mane.

LVE is hesitating, he is playing slow, and even if he's supposed to be a 255lb NT he's still not getting off blocks.

I don't know why these coaches continue to play certain guys, but they could do better at MLB. LVE is soft, every defender tackles with more force than the middle LB..that's a problem.

 

[G2]

Current punching bag

 

[Hennessy_King]

He is completely wrong on most points.

I wish that more fans would spend time reviewing game footage and learning the details of schemes. It is really fascinating what good coaches can accomplish.

Quinn's usage of LVE is really interesting for anyone that spends enough time studying it. Nobody will understand Quinn's usage of LVE by watching 1
LVE plays stack & shed in Quinn's scheme.
- It is similar to 2-gap by DLinemen.

His role is to engage the OLineman blocking on the 2nd level. If you watch enough game footage you'll see him seek out a blocker that is attempting to get to another defender.

Quinn's requirement is for LVE to end up on the same side of the blocker as the ball carrier. It is expected that a 255 pound LB will give up ground to a 320 pound OLineman.

They goal is for other defenders to make the tackle before the ball carrier gets to LVE with LVE there to cleanup when they don't.

This concept frees up other players like Micah Parsons to not have rigid gap responsibilities. That allows Parsons to roam and make big plays.

In Quinn's scheme the other defenders key off of LVE taking on the 2nd level blocker. Their lateral flow does not suddenly get stopped by that blocker because the blocker is already engaged with LVE.

LVE engaged with the 2nd level blocker forces the ball carrier to commit to one side of that blocker. This makes it easier for other defenders to take good angles.

Wrong. LVE has played like this since college. Hes plays with zero aggression in the run game cant shed a block to save his life. He plays lber like hes 6' 195 lbs. No way the coaches see his tape and think he can 2 gap at the 2nd level. He cant shed in any direction.

Your post is bias garbage. Everyone who knows about football knows to meet the pulling blocker in the hole. Everyone has a gap responsibility. Vander trash needs to go he stinks of Rod Bumanelli