How many teams would trade their starter for Vick?

[LaTunaNostra]

Palmer is demonstrably better than Vick? Bullsh*t. Eli over Vick? Based on what? What has Eli done?? Pennington with the bad shoulder? And what would Vick do with Palmer's WR corps? Probably a lot.

Palmer, imo, is the best QB to come out in a decade.

We will just have to wait and see on that. But he is one mighty impressive talent.

The point, which you continue to overlook, is even if Eli has done "nothing yet", or Rivers, et al, some teams are geared for certain offensive styles unsuited for Mike.

 

[Kilyin]

I seriously seriously doubt the Texans would even trade Carr for Vick.

 

[Future]

Certain teams like the giants bengals and chargers won't trade for vikc b/c they just drafted a QB...would you trade your 1st round second year QB for a guy who isn't really a QB?

 

[Avenging Hayseed]

How many teams would trade their starter for Vick? At first probably alot of them, but the more Vick plays and gets exposed the answer becomes LESS AND LESS every year.

 

[Reed]

You guys can trash vick all you want, but you can't deny that his a winner. You never heard of the virginia tech football team till he was there. Whenever hes playing his teams are good and do well. He didnt play his first season, second season he leads them to playoffs, beats farve at lambeau. Next season he gets hurt, the team is awfull. The year after that hes healthy, and he leads the team to the nfc championship game and they lose to the eagles. What more do you want the guy to do? Hes a winner, plain a simple. You might not like how he plays the game, but he is productive and his teams win games.

 

[dargonking999]

You guys can trash vick all you want, but you can't deny that his a winner. You never heard of the virginia tech football team till he was there. Whenever hes playing his teams are good and do well. He didnt play his first season, second season he leads them to playoffs, beats farve at lambeau. Next season he gets hurt, the team is awfull. The year after that hes healthy, and he leads the team to the nfc championship game and they lose to the eagles. What more do you want the guy to do? Hes a winner, plain a simple. You might not like how he plays the game, but he is productive and his teams win games.

But see people dont care about winning, all they care about is if he can throw the ball, they dont care that your leaning they dont care what potential you have, they just say you suck as a QB because you only threw for 2,000 yards, and you ran all the time.

Which is why i sit back smile and wait for the end of the season when Vick's number look like this

3200 yrds
31 Td's pass
4 td's rushing
300 yards rushing
and 15 INT's
2 Fumbles

 

[Kilyin]

Which is why i sit back smile and wait for the end of the season when Vick's number look like this

3200 yrds
31 Td's pass
4 td's rushing
300 yards rushing
and 15 INT's
2 Fumbles

Keep dreaming, because when you wake up, reality sets in. And why does Vick get all the credit when his team wins? I thought this was a team sport.

 

[bbgun]

Uh, no I think it is you who is insane, or just blinded by your glaring man-love for Vick.

Vick and his team got to the playoffs and won a game against a team that probably shouldn't have been there. So what? Bledsoe has been to the Superbowl, and the playoffs. Most teams aren't looking for a barely 6' tall, one read, scramble first Quarterback. Even Atlanta doesn't want one, why do you think there's been so much emphasis on Vick actually learning to throw the ball this offseason?

My appreciation of Vick is nothing compared to the raging hardon you have for an aging has-been like Bled. BTW, wasn't Crumpler a Pro Bowler last year? Who threw him all those accurate passes?

 

[NorthDalal]

Let me chime in.... If Bledsoe threw for 2313 yds last season and had a 14-12 TD-INT ratio would you be posing this question?......then it must be Vicks 902 yds running? eh.

Well give me Bledsoe and Julius Jones. I'll let JJ do the running and let my QB concentrate on playing NFL QB like the other guy in today's game... you know what's his name.... the guy with the 49 TD passes.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

You guys can trash vick all you want, but you can't deny that his a winner. You never heard of the virginia tech football team till he was there. Whenever hes playing his teams are good and do well. He didnt play his first season, second season he leads them to playoffs, beats farve at lambeau. Next season he gets hurt, the team is awfull. The year after that hes healthy, and he leads the team to the nfc championship game and they lose to the eagles. What more do you want the guy to do? Hes a winner, plain a simple. You might not like how he plays the game, but he is productive and his teams win games.

Yes he is a winner. Yes he is as amazing a talent as you'll find. And if I owned an NFL franchise and had the opportunity to draft him, I would not hesitate. I would stake my rep, revenues and record on the belief I could find just the right formula to max his incredible abilities.

That doesn't mean to say any owner, HC, or OC is going to prefer him to a traditional pocket passer. Mike's skills need to be tailored to the system, and the system tailored to his strengths.

For example, I think Mike could ably run the Jets O now being installed by Mike Heimerdinger, late of Tennessee. A fair amount of shot gun is being put in, a lot more deep balling, and most importantly, LOS audibling and play changing. There will be enough dink and dunk, but essentially what McNair was expected to do, Pennington will. I think the shoulder issue is cleared up..but that's another story. Point is Mike could thrive in such a system.

But he never could have in the much more inflexible wco version Paul Hackett ran, with the QB handcuffed and the deep ball scoffed at. Mike currently lacks both the underneath accuracy and the detailed read progression. Not to say he won't improve in both over time, but he'd have been an abysmal failure in that pass scheme, imo.

The Vick debate is way too polarized, with both the detractors and supporters rarely sounding reasonable.

And I'm an idiot for not doing what I said I'd do..which was duck.

 

[Kilyin]

My appreciation of Vick is nothing compared to the raging hardon you have for an aging has-been like Bled. BTW, wasn't Crumpler a Pro Bowler last year? Who threw him all those accurate passes?

I don't like Bledsoe. I wish he wasn't our quarterback, but he is. When I look at Bledsoe and Vick objectively though, I pick Bledsoe, he's a much better passer. Vick has never thrown for more than 16 td's in a season.

And sure Crumpler went to the pro bowl and made all those catches, because he was Vick's ONLY READ. Crumpler is also a good tight end, doesn't he deserve some credit too? Witten went to the Pro Bowl and had his best season ever, for essentially the same reason, but with a twist. Aside from Keyshawn, he was the only other read Vinny made, and there was no run game til JJ got back. Witten is also a very talented tight end.

So when you have a one read quarterback, or your tight end is basically your #2 receiver, of course they're gonna put up big numbers, if they can catch the ball.

Do you think Witten will have 980 yards this year? Only if we lose all our primary receivers again.

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

nothing against Vick because the guy can score from anywhere, but I hope the Falcons keep developing Schaub. The kid has a chance to be a damn good NFL QB, if he ever gets a chance.

 

[2much2soon]

You guys can trash vick all you want, but you can't deny that his a winner. You never heard of the virginia tech football team till he was there. Whenever hes playing his teams are good and do well. He didnt play his first season, second season he leads them to playoffs, beats farve at lambeau. Next season he gets hurt, the team is awfull. The year after that hes healthy, and he leads the team to the nfc championship game and they lose to the eagles. What more do you want the guy to do? Hes a winner, plain a simple. You might not like how he plays the game, but he is productive and his teams win games.

I couldn't of said it better.
A team that plays great pass defense can take a great passing but immobile QB out of a game on any given day. Its easier to take the pass away from Vick since he isn't a great passer but then you still have to account for the fact that he is nearly untackle-able once he scrambles.
Philly was able to control him last year in the NFC Champ game but I doubt you will see that again for a long time.
I bet most defensive coordinators would rather take their chances shutting down Manning or Brady through the air than trying to shut Vick down scrambling. Or Vick scrambling then floating short passes over their defense to Crumpler.

 

[dargonking999]

Keep dreaming, because when you wake up, reality sets in. And why does Vick get all the credit when his team wins? I thought this was a team sport.

because when he was gone his team won what 2 games, thats why he gets the credit he is the heart and sould of that team, and you may think i'm dreaming but what will you do when i'm right, come back and said i was joking?


Not that this matters, untill he has a season like MAnning nobody will think Vick can throw and even then you all will say oh it was because the WR's were cthing his horrible passes

 

[Kilyin]

Philly was able to control him last year in the NFC Champ game but I doubt you will see that again for a long time.

I don't think you could be more wrong there. That Philly game will be used as a blueprint on containing Vick when he scrambles. And when you do that, you basically shut Vick down.

 

[bbgun]

I don't like Bledsoe. I wish he wasn't our quarterback, but he is. When I look at Bledsoe and Vick objectively though, I pick Bledsoe, he's a much better passer. Vick has never thrown for more than 16 td's in a season.

And sure Crumpler went to the pro bowl and made all those catches, because he was Vick's ONLY READ. Crumpler is also a good tight end, doesn't he deserve some credit too? Witten went to the Pro Bowl and had his best season ever, for essentially the same reason, but with a twist. Aside from Keyshawn, he was the only other read Vinny made, and there was no run game til JJ got back. Witten is also a very talented tight end.

So when you have a one read quarterback, or your tight end is basically your #2 receiver, of course they're gonna put up big numbers, if they can catch the ball.

Do you think Witten will have 980 yards this year? Only if we lose all our primary receivers again.

Crumpler was his only read because he was the only good option. Key, Glenn and Morgan are all-world compared to Price, Finneran and that stiff they drafted out of Ohio State. Therefore, Vick has to 1) throw to Crump, 2) throw to Dunn in the flat, or 3) take off running.

 

[dargonking999]

Crumpler was his only read because he was the only good option. Key, Glenn and Morgan are all-world compared to Price, Finneran and that stiff they drafted out of Ohio State. Therefore, Vick has to 1) throw to Crump, 2) throw to Dunn in the flat, or 3) take off running.

actually get your facts right

Finneran was hurt last year, Micheal Jenkins was a rookie, all they had was Dez White and Price, and Price crawled up like a girl in big games last year, so Vick was left with White and Crumpler, if your gonna put out seomthing, put out things that are right. I would glady take Finneran over Morgan any day of the week.

 

[bbgun]

actually get your facts right

Finneran was hurt last year, Micheal Jenkins was a rookie, all they had was Dez White and Price, and Price crawled up like a girl in big games last year, so Vick was left with White and Crumpler, if your gonna put out seomthing, put out things that are right. I would glady take Finneran over Morgan any day of the week.

I used the present tense to describe them and their abilities. Be it 2004 or 2005, they're still turds.

 

[dargonking999]

I used the present tense to describe them and their abilities. Be it 2004 or 2005, they're still turds.

please... Price may be a turd but Jenkins, Roddy,White, and Fineran are decent to good. You are a little to high on Vick. I like him but i also reconize his WR, who will helphim silence his critcs this year.

 

[Reed]

If you actually watch vick play, he throws a laser, definatly throws the hardest and fastest ball in the league. When he throws it this hard, his recievers have a very hard time catching the ball. So, after a few dropped passes and after plays break down, and recievers aren't open, and your getting pressured by the defense. I think you would run like he does. Would you rather have a sack, or a 10 or 15 yard gain?