How many truly quality starting players do we have?

gtb1943

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ON offense:
Dak
CD
Ferguson
Tyler Smith

Cooper looks promising.


ON defense:
Micah
Diggs
Bland
Overshown

Kendricks is good now but is getting old

KInd of on the fence about Osa and Gholston but I think only rotational players not quality starters

Kneeland looks promising
Sam Williams also




So on offense we have four maybe five

On defense we have four maybe eight at best
 

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ON offense:
Dak
CD
Ferguson
Tyler Smith

Cooper looks promising.


ON defense:
Micah
Diggs
Bland
Overshown

Kendricks is good now but is getting old

KInd of on the fence about Osa and Gholston but I think only rotational players not quality starters

Kneeland looks promising
Sam Williams also




So on offense we have four maybe five

On defense we have four maybe eight at best
The Cowboys have talent and definitely some top tier guys at their positions. You just can't have superstars at every position though.

Quality to me is a pretty broad term that I would define as players that are atleast capable of being average NFL starters. We don't have quality players at both OT positions, RB, and 1tech. The rest of the positions I think you can argue when healthy are mostly atleast average. Though I could be swung on Safety and maybe WR2. Wilson has played poorly this year but is it more of a one off down year? Brandin Cooks I would describe as a solid number 2 but he just hasn't been healthy enough to make any impact.

Next year we open potential holes through free agency at RG, WR2, 3tech, and maybe DE. That's a lot to solve for with the other needs as well. We need to prioritize getting better in the trenches on both sides of the ball and add a dynamic player at RB and find a capable WR2.
 

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As far as at least average starting players i'd say:

Defense:7
Parsons, Bland, OSA, Golston, Kenricks, Diggs, Lewis.

Offense:5
Dak, Lamb, Smith, Ferg....I'd also say Martin just makes the cut. Steele, Dowdle, Beebe are just on the outside looking in.

A number of these guys are set to be free agents or are cut candidates for this offseason.....not good.
 

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ON offense:
Dak
CD
Ferguson
Tyler Smith

Cooper looks promising.


ON defense:
Micah
Diggs
Bland
Overshown

Kendricks is good now but is getting old

KInd of on the fence about Osa and Gholston but I think only rotational players not quality starters

Kneeland looks promising
Sam Williams also




So on offense we have four maybe five

On defense we have four maybe eight at best

Yeah and Guyton might end up a player. It's really difficult to evaluate these guys on this dumpster fire. I think its especially true of oline with these coaches and scheme.

We do have talent, but we need 2 or 3 critical FAs, a strong draft and some glue guys aka Dorance Armstrong types. We also need a legitimate coaching staff. It's a big wish list, but entirely possible if our GM wasn't a waste of space.
 

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Dak Prescott, CeeDee Lamb, Tyler Smith, Jake Ferguson, Micah Parsons, DeMarvion Overshown, Trevon Diggs, DaRon Bland (when healthy), and Brandon Aubrey.

Either contractually or talent wise this is the core of the team. Everything else needs to be overhauled by a new coaching staff- ESPECIALLY both lines.
 

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At best we have 13 starters and need 22

that is NINE players at least to the STARTING LINE UP
 

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diamonddelts

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ON offense:
Dak
CD
Ferguson
Tyler Smith

Cooper looks promising.


ON defense:
Micah
Diggs
Bland
Overshown

Kendricks is good now but is getting old

KInd of on the fence about Osa and Gholston but I think only rotational players not quality starters

Kneeland looks promising
Sam Williams also




So on offense we have four maybe five

On defense we have four maybe eight at best
Stopped reading at Dak.
 

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Dak isn't a quality starter. He's washed up.

Guys like Diggs and Parsons are starting quality in athletic talent, but they have toxic attitudes that are counterproductive to winning championships.

A couple of the special teamers like Aubrey, Anger, and Sieg are about the only ones on this team that are both athletically and mentally championship material.
 

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The Cowboys have talent and definitely some top tier guys at their positions. You just can't have superstars at every position though.

Quality to me is a pretty broad term that I would define as players that are atleast capable of being average NFL starters. We don't have quality players at both OT positions, RB, and 1tech. The rest of the positions I think you can argue when healthy are mostly atleast average. Though I could be swung on Safety and maybe WR2. Wilson has played poorly this year but is it more of a one off down year? Brandin Cooks I would describe as a solid number 2 but he just hasn't been healthy enough to make any impact.

Next year we open potential holes through free agency at RG, WR2, 3tech, and maybe DE. That's a lot to solve for with the other needs as well. We need to prioritize getting better in the trenches on both sides of the ball and add a dynamic player at RB and find a capable WR2.
Agree with what you wrote. That said unless Jerry opens up the wallet we can't fill those holes with even average NFL starters. Takes money to make honey.
 

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Our OL is bad, quite surprisingly bad.
  • Bass and Guyton should improve
  • Smith is solid
  • Steele is unlikely to improve much at this point
  • Martin is likely done
  • Richards may be serviceable
  • Bass and Hoffman are jags at best….not even quality depth
We have no one on the roster who resembles a quality NFL RB. Dowdle only looks decent in comparison to Zeke, Cook, Deuce. He is not good. He’s not Tashard Choice. He should be #3 or #4.

Other than Lamb and Turpin (whom they refuse to elevate), our WR corps is garbage. Not one player has any special talent to develop. They aren’t explosive as route runners or after the catch. They can’t block. They are not good route runners who can change speeds. If no one covers them, they will catch the ball and then be tackled short of a first down…lol.

I like the potential of our TEs. We do not have an adequate backup QB.

Defense:
  • We may be adequate at DE when everyone is healthy, but DLaw is about done, and that will hurt the current group.
  • Our entire DT group should be replaced. We over value Osa because he makes a few plays per year and has a few good games and because we are comparing him to real bums. Our interior will never be playoff good with Osa as a starter.
  • Overshown has potential, but he misses way too many tackles because he only knows one speed and doesn’t break down in space. He can become a solid Will in coverage and as a blitzer, but he will never be stout vs the power runs. We need 1 or 2 thumpers even if they come off the field at times. We have no LBs who can take on and shed blocks or wipe out a screen before it starts. Lbs who depend on running around blocks eventually hurt you.
  • The secondary may be solid outside when we get Bland on the field with Diggs, but JLewis isn’t going to hold up physically much longer at 30 next season. It’s time to find another slot corner or outside guy so Bland moves back inside. This season has proven that after our starting 3, our backups are not capable. We’ve tried them all and are now playing a safety out there.
This Cowboys roster is a mess. No, you can’t have stars at every position, but you must have bulk where needed at DT and LB. You must have speed And/or quickness. Right now Billy Johnson’s speed would do wonders for Lamb, Ferguson, and Dowdle. He may be a one trick pony, but that one trait gets the respect and attention of the defense. Do you think teams would trust their #3 cb on him 1-1 with no safety help or cover him 1-1 with a safety like they do Tolbert and Brooks? Speed, even if a guy isn’t a great route runner, even if he is a body catcher, even if he drops one here and there, still opens up the field for your offense.
 

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it isnt the talent, its the terrible braindead coaching and the players are incredibly dumb

I'm not saying this to be mean but they just simply do not have intelligence to play winning football thats why you need a good coach but the coaching staff is also incredibly dumb
 

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Our OL is bad, quite surprisingly bad.
  • Bass and Guyton should improve
  • Smith is solid
  • Steele is unlikely to improve much at this point
  • Martin is likely done
  • Richards may be serviceable
  • Bass and Hoffman are jags at best….not even quality depth
We have no one on the roster who resembles a quality NFL RB. Dowdle only looks decent in comparison to Zeke, Cook, Deuce. He is not good. He’s not Tashard Choice. He should be #3 or #4.

Other than Lamb and Turpin (whom they refuse to elevate), our WR corps is garbage. Not one player has any special talent to develop. They aren’t explosive as route runners or after the catch. They can’t block. They are not good route runners who can change speeds. If no one covers them, they will catch the ball and then be tackled short of a first down…lol.

I like the potential of our TEs. We do not have an adequate backup QB.

Defense:
  • We may be adequate at DE when everyone is healthy, but DLaw is about done, and that will hurt the current group.
  • Our entire DT group should be replaced. We over value Osa because he makes a few plays per year and has a few good games and because we are comparing him to real bums. Our interior will never be playoff good with Osa as a starter.
  • Overshown has potential, but he misses way too many tackles because he only knows one speed and doesn’t break down in space. He can become a solid Will in coverage and as a blitzer, but he will never be stout vs the power runs. We need 1 or 2 thumpers even if they come off the field at times. We have no LBs who can take on and shed blocks or wipe out a screen before it starts. Lbs who depend on running around blocks eventually hurt you.
  • The secondary may be solid outside when we get Bland on the field with Diggs, but JLewis isn’t going to hold up physically much longer at 30 next season. It’s time to find another slot corner or outside guy so Bland moves back inside. This season has proven that after our starting 3, our backups are not capable. We’ve tried them all and are now playing a safety out there.
This Cowboys roster is a mess. No, you can’t have stars at every position, but you must have bulk where needed at DT and LB. You must have speed And/or quickness. Right now Billy Johnson’s speed would do wonders for Lamb, Ferguson, and Dowdle. He may be a one trick pony, but that one trait gets the respect and attention of the defense. Do you think teams would trust their #3 cb on him 1-1 with no safety help or cover him 1-1 with a safety like they do Tolbert and Brooks? Speed, even if a guy isn’t a great route runner, even if he is a body catcher, even if he drops one here and there, still opens up the field for your offense.
roster is not as bad as you think, if you bring in a competent coach you will see the difference but Jerry wont do that because it will upstage him
 

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roster is not as bad as you think, if you bring in a competent coach you will see the difference but Jerry wont do that because it will upstage him
I completely agree. A lot of people will look at the blowout losses at home and think their team is the worst ever.

Things are never as great as they seem (Lions right now), nor are they as bad as they seem. The truth is always in the middle.

But yeah… I don’t see Jerry hiring any guy that the media would give the credit to vs himself

The irony is the media would give him the credit for the hire… but in his mind, that would be considered as a loss
 
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