How Much Confidence Do You Have in Jalen Tolbert?

[Arkyvarminter]

I have as much confidence in Tolbert being good as I do Lamb being a number 1.......Im worried and don't know why

 

[McKDaddy]

I don't know a lot about him but in general rookie receivers don't produce as much as your heart leads you to believe. So, no, I wouldn't expect him to be a legit #2 this year. There are exceptions to every rule however.

I would expect other WR's to carry the load more (Brown & Fehoko for example) just because they have been around the block.

For what it's worth though, I am not concerned with the group at this time. I like having some youth & hunger out there. If these guys are really looking as good as reports would have you believe, I think you have the basis for a surprisingly good group. Wish we hadn't given Coop away but ..... it's the world we live in. (Jerry's world)

 

[kskboys]

I'd rather freak out than lose games, like we did in 2018, before bringing in a legitimate receiver. I'd get one now while other teams don't have a need for one of the few legitimate ones on the market. If the guys we have can beat them out, then so be it, but being the best of the bunch because there's no legitimate competitors doesn't mean much. There's a good reason why Brown hasn't been more than the fourth receiver in his first five years, and likely a good reason why he is looking like he might be the second-best now.

It doesn't seem like the Joneses are interested right now in bringing in anyone legitimate, so we'll either hope for the best with what we've got or hope it's made clear relatively quickly that we need to do something else.

Unfortunately, Jerry agrees w/ you. And freaking out costs us the future. And we aren't close enough to warrant wasting resources on it as you are suggesting. Terrible idea.

 

[gimmesix]

Unfortunately, Jerry agrees w/ you. And freaking out costs us the future. And we aren't close enough to warrant wasting resources on it as you are suggesting. Terrible idea.

What makes us not close enough? So-so teams rise up every year because they made moves to put them over the top. Last year, we were a playoff team. A few moves can make us more than just being a playoff team. The Barr move was a good one; his health is questionable, but he's not a player we absolutely have to rely on, but one who can help us be better if healthy. I think there are a few more positions we could add to the same way that would give us a chance at playoff success. Receiver is one of those positions.

Right now, I believe receiver also is one of those positions that could hold us back. I hope I'm wrong about that. Thankfully, Gallup isn't expected to miss too much time.

And how exactly does Jerry agree with me? He spends cheaply in FA when I would not. And he doesn't think we need a vet WR, while I do.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Let's Go Rook. Here's your chance to shine. You don't have to be # 1 or set the world on fire Terrance Williams comes to mind

 

[kskboys]

What makes us not close enough? So-so teams rise up every year because they made moves to put them over the top. Last year, we were a playoff team. A few moves can make us more than just being a playoff team. The Barr move was a good one; his health is questionable, but he's not a player we absolutely have to rely on, but one who can help us be better if healthy. I think there are a few more positions we could add to the same way that would give us a chance at playoff success. Receiver is one of those positions.

Right now, I believe receiver also is one of those positions that could hold us back. I hope I'm wrong about that. Thankfully, Gallup isn't expected to miss too much time.

And how exactly does Jerry agree with me? He spends cheaply in FA when I would not. And he doesn't think we need a vet WR, while I do.

Before the present time, Jerry did several kneejerk trades that cost us dearly. MO, RW, Cooper, just stupid. Jerry gave up a pick for frickin' Matt Cassell because our QB got hurt. ICK.

Those soso teams that rise up have some sort of dominant facet, usually on D and usually has to do w/ the DLine. For instance, last season, both Cincy and LAR rose up, and both were largely due to the play of their dominant DLines. When we have a dominant DLine that screws up the other teams' O's then we can talk about rising up. W/o the DLine, you have the 169 yds rushing by SF in the playoffs last year.

 

[gimmesix]

Before the present time, Jerry did several kneejerk trades that cost us dearly. MO, RW, Cooper, just stupid. Jerry gave up a pick for frickin' Matt Cassell because our QB got hurt. ICK.

Those soso teams that rise up have some sort of dominant facet, usually on D and usually has to do w/ the DLine. For instance, last season, both Cincy and LAR rose up, and both were largely due to the play of their dominant DLines. When we have a dominant DLine that screws up the other teams' O's then we can talk about rising up. W/o the DLine, you have the 169 yds rushing by SF in the playoffs last year.

And this method they are using now has worked out so much better for us. Some of us think there's a middle ground. No one is asking him to go out a trade a No. 1 pick or two No. 1 picks for a vet receiver.

 

[kskboys]

I have as much confidence in Tolbert being good as I do Lamb being a number 1.......Im worried and don't know why

Separation anxiety!!!!!

 

[OmerV]

The way I see it, Tolbert is a legitimate #2 WR in the NFL, which is why I'm not as concerned as some about the WR position.

That said, it would appear as if fans and others in the media don't share the same level of faith in Tolbert as I do.

So many are clamoring for us to bring in a veteran WR, which I would ultimately be on board with (even though I like Fehoko, Turpin, Houston and Roberson as potential #3 options).

Are fans just not as confident in Tolbert because he's a rookie?

I'm about a 7 of 10 as far as being confident he can rise to the occasion as a formidable #2 guy during his rookie year.

If all goes well, I can see him even surpassing Cooper's 2021 production.

What is your general confidence level in Tolbert?

You can never know with rookies. I'm very hopeful, and I like what I know, but I won't make a firm statement on a rookie without seeing him on an NFL field.

 

[phildadon86]

He'll be good.....Washington will have a hard time getting back on the field.

Really wish they brought in Landry instead of Washington....

 

[kskboys]

And this method they are using now has worked out so much better for us. Some of us think there's a middle ground. No one is asking him to go out a trade a No. 1 pick or two No. 1 picks for a vet receiver.

Possibly, if we make the right decisions next offseason.

We have several receivers who are talented, should be plenty. If we're not trading for a #1 type, then there's no upgrade, and it would be a waste of time and space and resources.

 

[Bullflop]

Tolbert is a rookie albeit, a talented one. He put forth the credentials in college to deserve consideration as a capable WR. I'm actually quite favorably encouraged by what has been generally considered by many as a promising future. Without jumping to any preconceived decisions, I'll await his performances in TC and the regular season to form a more educated view of his value to the Cowboys.

 

[Batman1980]

Really wish they brought in Landry instead of Washington....

Need a Washington type more. Tolbert and Washington bring an element of speed we've been lacking at wideout since Cooper's speed started to fade.

 

[gimmesix]

Possibly, if we make the right decisions next offseason.

We have several receivers who are talented, should be plenty. If we're not trading for a #1 type, then there's no upgrade, and it would be a waste of time and space and resources.

I don't believe there's no upgrade if we're not trading for a No. 1 type. Right now, we have a No. 1 and a bunch of unknowns. Believing that a third-round rookie, UDFA rookie, fifth-year No. 4 receiver, second-year UDFA, minor league MVP and first-year fifth-rounder who was primarily inactive last year are going to be able to get the job done isn't very realistic. Again, Gallup has developed into a No. 2 receiver, but his first year he only caught 33 passes for 507 yards. That's a realistic expectation for the best of this bunch, and could possibly be the high end ... and that year we made that panic move for Cooper BECAUSE players like him weren't able yet to step up. Now, some rookies/players step up and exceed that, but it certainly shouldn't be expected since we have no base line for it.

In contrast, Cole Beasley, who is available, caught 82 passes last year. Will Fuller, who is available, had only four in an unhealthy year, but had 52 for 879 in 11 games the previous year. TY Hilton, who is available, only caught 26 for 331 in 10 games last year but 56 for 762 the previous year. All of those may be better numbers than we can expect. Now, these players obviously have some warts (like Barr) due to age/health, but that's one of the ways you get the cheap players that the Joneses prefer.

I'd pick up one of those players while they are available. It won't cost that much and they can be cut if the younger receivers prove to be as good as some think they might be. One more receiver is not going to stunt their camp development, and there are players at the bottom of the roster, even some receivers who haven't done much, who we can cut.