How Stephen Jones can hide ~ $100 million of profits

[Longboysfan]

dont agree.
leaving 50-100 million of cap space would not be good for the brand.
especially when they are not signing top free agents and letting their own players go.

I don't think Jerry and Steven would ever do that.
Past performances show that.

 

[waldoputty]

I don't think Jerry and Steven would ever do that.
Past performances show that.

jerry would not.
stephen, as evidenced by what has happened, would.

 

[DandyDon52]

it is not jerry.
jerry wants to win more than $
it is stephen who says value but he really means profits

well why would stephen need more $? they have billions.
Does he want a new yacht ? or does jerry not pay him enough?

I think they both want to win, but just want to do it however they want to.
And then if they ever do it they can throw themselves a party and gloat alot.

 

[waldoputty]

well why would stephen need more $? they have billions.
Does he want a new yacht ? or does jerry not pay him enough?

I think they both want to win, but just want to do it however they want to.
And then if they ever do it they can throw themselves a party and gloat alot.

they dont need the money.
most of the filthy rich (>100M or more) people i know are really cheap.
i guess that is how they stay filthy rich.

i guess jerry is an exception.
but the son is a return to form.

 

[Idgit]

well why would stephen need more $? they have billions.
Does he want a new yacht ? or does jerry not pay him enough?

I think they both want to win, but just want to do it however they want to.
And then if they ever do it they can throw themselves a party and gloat alot.

Stephen is probably skimming money for a bigger party.

 

[DandyDon52]

I'm mostly talking about fans who have Stockholm syndrome

can you elaborate on that ?

 

[waldoputty]

Stephen is probably skimming money for a bigger party.

he does not need the money
he just cannot help himself
like gregory and pot

 

[waldoputty]

can you elaborate on that ?

i will try.
as you probably know, stockholm syndrome is when the victim (fans) takes the side of the captor (stephen).

 

[DandyDon52]

Stephen is probably skimming money for a bigger party.

maybe a bigger better party bus? lol but heck that is what 1 mil max.
guess he could just want to stack the family gold higher and higher.
It could be though that stephen has to get by on a salary and bonus, maybe only 10 mil a year awww!
I figure he has to make more than JG, and then bonus based on total profits.......... there you go the more profits
the bigger his bonus is !!

 

[waldoputty]

maybe a bigger better party bus? lol but heck that is what 1 mil max.
guess he could just want to stack the family gold higher and higher.
It could be though that stephen has to get by on a salary and bonus, maybe only 10 mil a year awww!
I figure he has to make more than JG, and then bonus based on total profits.......... there you go the more profits
the bigger his bonus is !!

they have enough money for the next 50 generations.
the need to extract the 10% is an addiction
much like gregory and pot

 

[DandyDon52]

i will try.
as you probably know, stockholm syndrome is when the victim (fans) takes the side of the captor (stephen).

well that has happened with JG, several fans here with stockholm syndrome !! lol

 

[waldoputty]

well that has happened with JG, several fans here with stockholm syndrome !! lol

@Proof was very astute with the comment, as i noted above.

 

[Longboysfan]

jerry would not.
stephen, as evidenced by what has happened, would.

The Jones family does not need the $$$$$ from football savings.

They make over $600 million outside of football.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This thread is strange. waldo thinks spending big on FA is what it takes to win. Because the Cowboys brass doesn't spend money on FA they must have another motivation and he chooses greed.

Strange mental gymnastics.

First, Dallas is tops in cash spending year after year. You can look for yourself here and compared to other teams we are top 10 in cash committed in future years as well.

So much for underspending. He should have tried occam's suggestion and looked for a simpler explanation.

For example, he could have taken Stephen at his word about not liking the efficiency you get out of big money contracts in early free agencies.

That makes a whole lot of sense to me. Say we were to sign Gilmour and Sheard to contracts totalling $20+m between the two of them and they not make probowls. We had substantial contingents in in arms over Carr and now Crawford because of that dynamic.

It's paying decent players good money just like Steve-o talks about.

It boils down to a difference in philosophy. Waldo needs to accept that the Joneses take a much more conservative approach to UFA and just accept it for what it is. Make a sig about it and quit making threads with incomplete models every day. @waldoputty what you are doing is damaging your credibility around here despite your best intentions.

You can argue the philosophy but I am not certain that they would not pay a high priced UFA if the talent level was great, they were young enough, and they were a scheme/need fit. For example if a war daddy had become available. Unfortunately, they were all franchised. Teams rarely let young talent go.

Time to move on.

 

[Silver Surfer]

I just found this hat on the ground..... anyone here lose it?

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[waldoputty]

This thread is strange. waldo thinks spending big on FA is what it takes to win. Because the Cowboys brass doesn't spend money on FA they must have another motivation and he chooses greed.

Strange mental gymnastics.

First, Dallas is tops in cash spending year after year. You can look for yourself here and compared to other teams we are top 10 in cash committed in future years as well.

So much for underspending. He should have tried occam's suggestion and looked for a simpler explanation.

For example, he could have taken Stephen at his word about not liking the efficiency you get out of big money contracts in early free agencies.

That makes a whole lot of sense to me. Say we were to sign Gilmour and Sheard to contracts totalling $20+m between the two of them and they not make probowls. We had substantial contingents in in arms over Carr and now Crawford because of that dynamic.

It's paying decent players good money just like Steve-o talks about.

It boils down to a difference in philosophy. Waldo needs to accept that the Joneses take a much more conservative approach to UFA and just accept it for what it is. Make a sig about it and quit making threads with incomplete models every day. @waldoputty what you are doing is damaging your credibility around here despite your best intentions.

You can argue the philosophy but I am not certain that they would not pay a high priced UFA if the talent level was great, they were young enough, and they were a scheme/need fit. For example if a war daddy had become available. Unfortunately, they were all franchised. Teams rarely let young talent go.

Time to move on.

i dont see why you should be comparing the cowboys with 700M revenues to teams like the browns with 300M revenues.
we should use our cashflow/profit advantages to crush them.

we are talking the last 10%
until you have 4 years all in, you argument is so far we lead in cash expended.
with regard to the last 10%, you just have to look at how much of the cap did they spent.
and we are going to have lots of cap space.
is he going to use it or is he not?
who cares what small market teams do?

 

[Nightman]

i dont see why you should be comparing the cowboys with 700M revenues to teams like the browns with 300M revenues.
we should use our cashflow/profit advantages to crush them.

we are talking the last 10%
until you have 4 years all in, you argument is so far we lead in cash expended.
with regard to the last 10%, you just have to look at how much of the cap did they spent.
and we are going to have lots of cap space.
is he going to use it or is he not?
who cares what small market teams do?

The Stockholm Children love comparing us to CLE and GB and PITT, the cheap teams

We should be #1 in spending every year, not Top 10

Jerry has been legacy building with Stadium and the Star.....the team is just a part of the Brand but he is not willing to gamble on FA......he gets his wildcatter fix on guys like RGregory, JSmith, MClaiborne, RW11.......they don't cost money just draft picks which he never valued since Jimmy

Jerry has NEVER been a big spender.......he did it once with Deion.......even LDavis and BCarr are once a decade signings

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i dont see why you should be comparing the cowboys with 700M revenues to teams like the browns with 300M revenues.
we should use our cashflow/profit advantages to crush them.

we are talking the last 10%
until you have 4 years all in, you argument is so far we lead in cash expended.
with regard to the last 10%, you just have to look at how much of the cap did they spent.
and we are going to have lots of cap space.
is he going to use it or is he not?
who cares what small market teams do?

Please point where I compared us to low revenue teams. I didn't. Quite frankly with how much money they all are bringing in overall I think it is irrelevant.

You completely ignore my argument about the Cowboys philosophy and you argue a tangent. I have never once argued that the Cowboys should not take advantage of their much larger cash reserves. Quite the contrary.

For example, I expect and applaud the team giving Martin a fat SB to leverage other advantages throughout the deal.

I get the impression you just do not grasp what I am saying about teams and their approach to contracts. You contend that salaries will blow up because space is blowing up but you have shown no such mechanics beyond the regular inflation we have witnessed in years with much bigger expansions.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I hate the loser rationalizing that being burned by high priced free agents means only look at the scrap heap.

Agreed. Apparently there is no such thing as smart free agency. For many people here, free agency spending equals losing. Of course that all changes if we went out one off-season and signed a couple of big-name free agents. Then it would be "LOOK HOW MUCH WE WANT TO WIN! WE ARE GOING FOR IT!!!!

 

[CyberB0b]

This thread is strange. waldo thinks spending big on FA is what it takes to win. Because the Cowboys brass doesn't spend money on FA they must have another motivation and he chooses greed.

Strange mental gymnastics.

First, Dallas is tops in cash spending year after year. You can look for yourself here and compared to other teams we are top 10 in cash committed in future years as well.

So much for underspending. He should have tried occam's suggestion and looked for a simpler explanation.

For example, he could have taken Stephen at his word about not liking the efficiency you get out of big money contracts in early free agencies.

That makes a whole lot of sense to me. Say we were to sign Gilmour and Sheard to contracts totalling $20+m between the two of them and they not make probowls. We had substantial contingents in in arms over Carr and now Crawford because of that dynamic.

It's paying decent players good money just like Steve-o talks about.

It boils down to a difference in philosophy. Waldo needs to accept that the Joneses take a much more conservative approach to UFA and just accept it for what it is. Make a sig about it and quit making threads with incomplete models every day. @waldoputty what you are doing is damaging your credibility around here despite your best intentions.

You can argue the philosophy but I am not certain that they would not pay a high priced UFA if the talent level was great, they were young enough, and they were a scheme/need fit. For example if a war daddy had become available. Unfortunately, they were all franchised. Teams rarely let young talent go.

Time to move on.

The whole argument fails when you look at the annual cap situation. We are always near the max and have to restructure (as planned), to get under it. They're spending money on home grown talent. They feel more comfortable spending some decent money on a guy like Tyrone Crawford versus breaking the bank on a guy like Vernon.