How Stephen Jones can hide ~ $100 million of profits

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Why are we losing our own players and not replacing them with better or at least similar level free agents?
The team claims poverty and good financial planning.
The free agent market is overpriced...

The team is stressing value, but what they mean is profits.
They say long term, but what they mean is hiding profits long term.
Of course, fans would be angry if they see $100 million of cap unused.
How are they going to hide that from the fans?
It is quite simple - in the name of long term stability.

The team has been restructuring about 20-30 million dollars per year.
By systematically turning off the restructuring, you can hide about 50 million profits from the fans.
In fact, they can make their cap space look tight with this mirage in 2018,
in 2019, the savings are so huge (67million) that 32 million still shows.
in 2020, the savings are even large (92 million) that 47 million still shows.
how to hide that, they can change the standard contracting structure - essentially front loading contracts.
the drop in profits in 2021 is from the massive contracts given to resigning the class of 2016 - takes an extra year or 2 for massive cap hit to show up. actually after 2020, the model is not even relevant as there will be a new TV contract.

With the traditional 20 million of restructuring:
2017----- 2018----- 2019----- 2020----- 2021
$ 3.20---$ 28.66---$ 67.91--$ 92.72---$ 72.23

To hide the profits from the fans, with 20 million of restructuring turned off:
2017----- 2018----- 2019----- 2020----- 2021
$ 3.20---$ 8.66-----$ 32.91---$ 47.72--$ 22.23

These calculations have assumed:
1. continue to sign 3 free agents per year - 1 at 2m aav, 1 at 3m aav, 1 at 4m aav
2. resigning own free agents - martin, collins, jones and most of the class of 2016 as good starters or stars, resigning class of 2017 as decent starters (assuming draft results are not as good)

For those who want to question the financial model, I would be happy to email the model to you.
A more detailed report of the model will be posted on BTB.
 

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The over the cap numbers speak for themselves.
Go look at the Eagles and see how much Lurie pockets and does not pay out year to year.

The Cowboys do not have to hide anything.
They make more money from the selling of the brand than they do from playing football.
 

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The over the cap numbers speak for themselves.
Go look at the Eagles and see how much Lurie pockets and does not pay out year to year.

The Cowboys do not have to hide anything.
They make more money from the selling of the brand than they do from playing football.

dont agree.
leaving 50-100 million of cap space would not be good for the brand.
especially when they are not signing top free agents and letting their own players go.
 

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Those of us who watched JJones over pay players for years knows that hiding profits charge is specious.
They've changed their financial structure after high payed FA laid down on him. Observing there production dollar
convinced Jerry and Stephen that high end FA weren't profitable. Now that 's true. Bad investments. Sometimes there are exceptions.
 

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dont agree.
leaving 50-100 million of cap space would not be good for the brand.
especially when they are not signing top free agents and letting their own players go.

Filling the stands for 8 games and making millions of dollars does not build brand. What universe do you live in.
Our economic system is capitalism not socialism and Jerry practices that just like Warren Buffett. They don't invest
billions to make peanuts. He's going to fill the stadium this year just like last year. They come to see Dak, Zeke, Dez
run that offense. No one comes to the stadium to see defense. Just the nature of the game.
 

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its not about winning any more its about the money. Jones is making money by the boatloads and his team in always in the news and they play in lots of prime games and they haven't won a divisional playoff game in twenty years. He has won his superbowls already or jimmy did he is in the hall of fame for the money he has helped make the league so I guess its all good if that's what you like is to win regular season games and be one and done in the playoffs
 

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Filling the stands for 8 games and making millions of dollars does not build brand. What universe do you live in.
Our economic system is capitalism not socialism and Jerry practices that just like Warren Buffett. They don't invest
billions to make peanuts. He's going to fill the stadium this year just like last year. They come to see Dak, Zeke, Dez
run that offense. No one comes to the stadium to see defense. Just the nature of the game.

What's that old saying...offense sells, defense wins...but agree, people want to see offense, hence all the rule changes favoring the offense over the past 30 years.
 

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its not about winning any more its about the money. Jones is making money by the boatloads and his team in always in the news and they play in lots of prime games and they haven't won a divisional playoff game in twenty years. He has won his superbowls already or jimmy did he is in the hall of fame for the money he has helped make the league so I guess its all good if that's what you like is to win regular season games and be one and done in the playoffs


So the teams that don't have money like Jerry are all about winning, because they don't have the money, they just want to win?.....oh yeah, what have they won too...:igglestrophy:
 

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Why are we losing our own players and not replacing them with better or at least similar level free agents?
The team claims poverty and good financial planning.
The free agent market is overpriced...

The team is stressing value, but what they mean is profits.
They say long term, but what they mean is hiding profits long term.
Of course, fans would be angry if they see $100 million of cap unused.
How are they going to hide that from the fans?
It is quite simple - in the name of long term stability.

The team has been restructuring about 20-30 million dollars per year.
By systematically turning off the restructuring, you can hide about 50 million profits from the fans.
In fact, they can make their cap space look tight with this mirage in 2018,
in 2019, the savings are so huge (67million) that 32 million still shows.
in 2020, the savings are even large (92 million) that 47 million still shows.
how to hide that, they can change the standard contracting structure - essentially front loading contracts.
the drop in profits in 2021 is from the massive contracts given to resigning the class of 2016 - takes an extra year or 2 for massive cap hit to show up. actually after 2020, the model is not even relevant as there will be a new TV contract.

With the traditional 20 million of restructuring:
2017----- 2018----- 2019----- 2020----- 2021
$ 3.20---$ 28.66---$ 67.91--$ 92.72---$ 72.23

To hide the profits from the fans, with 20 million of restructuring turned off:
2017----- 2018----- 2019----- 2020----- 2021
$ 3.20---$ 8.66-----$ 32.91---$ 47.72--$ 22.23

These calculations have assumed:
1. continue to sign 3 free agents per year - 1 at 2m aav, 1 at 3m aav, 1 at 4m aav
2. resigning own free agents - martin, collins, jones and most of the class of 2016 as good starters or stars, resigning class of 2017 as decent starters (assuming draft results are not as good)

For those who want to question the financial model, I would be happy to email the model to you.
A more detailed report of the model will be posted on BTB.

So if you have a business, you would not want to make money? You would want to give all your profits to your employees and not take care of your family?
Oh, yeah, this is a horrible analogy, as the NFL franchise is not your normal business. But it makes a point.
And you are fooling yourself if you think Jerry doesn't want to win over making money...he will make money...but he wants to win....
 

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More to the point, cap spending =/= cash spending and as teams are allowed to keep their financial statements private they don't need to hide anything via the salary cap.
 

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Stephen can run, but he can't hide from the truth that waldoputty has in store for him.

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