How to turn Dak Prescott into Russell Wilson

[tyke1doe]

1996 NFC Championship game 38 to 27.

Thanks. I was thinking that was the game Jason Garrett came in to win. But Garrett's game was on Thanksgiving, I think.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

well that statement explains everything I need to know about you - "even the ledger in my universe" really..........

Funny, I thought the very same thing when I read your fandetta.

 

[tyke1doe]

it wasn't the final play of the game

Okay, near the end of the game.

 

[DandyDon52]

Understand the sentiment and in a number of scenarios I agree.

Having said that, Russell Wilson is the 2nd ranked passer in NFL history by QB rating -- nearly 5 points higher than Romo (101.8 vs Romo's 97.3). That doesn't even account for 600 yards rushing per season Wilson averages.

Wilson is a good qb and a smart one, and a winner.
He has led his team to the playoffs every year since he started as a rookie !
been to 2 SB's and won 2 nfc championships.

he isnt the standard type qb so some will always dis him, but the bottom line is seattle started winning and going to playoffs
every year once he was the starter.

Coaching, ST, and defense, all help the offense and a QB win games.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Wilson is a good qb and a smart one, and a winner.
He has led his team to the playoffs every year since he started as a rookie !
been to 2 SB's and won 2 nfc championships.

he isnt the standard type qb so some will always dis him, but the bottom line is seattle started winning and going to playoffs
every year once he was the starter.

Coaching, ST, and defense, all help the offense and a QB win games.

It's really comical to me that some Cowboy fans are hell bent on trying to discredit Wilson. Yet, I guarantee you these are the same guys that will try to credit Aikman for being some postseason magician that led his teams to three Super Bowl titles.

It may cause discomfort for some uniformed fans, but outside of Aikman's magical 1992 postseason run, he was a middling playoff performer as an individual:

(in his other 12 postseason games)
80.1 QB rating
62.7 comp %
15 TD/17 INTs

 

[DandyDon52]

now about Dak, sometimes sitting for a year or 2 can hurt a qb, I think it is better if they can just play right away
like wilson and carr did, sure they will be learning, but after a year or 2 of starting they will be really good.
Brady also started as a rookie.

That why I suggest letting dak take some of the games this year, and lighten tonys load from 16 games to maybe 10.
Dak 4-2 and tony 8-2 would get the 12-4 and tony would be fresher for the playoffs, and dak would have game experience.

If they played dak against say chicago, if he wasnt doing good then let tony take over, but let him try again, dont just
say ok he isnt ready.
I think dak is ready to play now, and showers is too, by that I mean they want to get in there and play, they have the desire.
I know they both have a lot to learn but the best way is in actual games.

I also know dallas wont do this, tony will start and play all games, heck in 2014 they could be ahead by 24 points and tony was
still in the game.*(indy game)

 

[DandyDon52]

It's really comical to me that some Cowboy fans are hell bent on trying to discredit Wilson. Yet, I guarantee you these are the same guys that will try to credit Aikman for being some postseason magician that led his teams to three Super Bowl titles.

It may cause discomfort for some uniformed fans, but outside of Aikman's magical 1992 postseason run, he was a middling playoff performer as an individual:

(in his other 12 postseason games)
80.1 QB rating
62.7 comp %
15 TD/17 INTs

yes, Aikman had a brief period where he was really efficient, but that was it, but he was qb when they won 3 sb's so
that makes all the difference.
And troy also had the great defense to help win those games, and good coaching and ST.

I like Russell , he was the too short, low drafted guy, who overcame the odds, and is smart and rkg.
He was the reason I became a mild seahawk fan, I usually root for them unless they are playing dallas.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

You'd rather turn him into a quarterback who's never even been to an NFC Conference Championship game? Gotcha

yeah because that is what I wrote

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

now about Dak, sometimes sitting for a year or 2 can hurt a qb, I think it is better if they can just play right away
like wilson and carr did, sure they will be learning, but after a year or 2 of starting they will be really good.
Brady also started as a rookie.

That why I suggest letting dak take some of the games this year, and lighten tonys load from 16 games to maybe 10.
Dak 4-2 and tony 8-2 would get the 12-4 and tony would be fresher for the playoffs, and dak would have game experience.

If they played dak against say chicago, if he wasnt doing good then let tony take over, but let him try again, dont just
say ok he isnt ready.
I think dak is ready to play now, and showers is too, by that I mean they want to get in there and play, they have the desire.
I know they both have a lot to learn but the best way is in actual games.

I also know dallas wont do this, tony will start and play all games, heck in 2014 they could be ahead by 24 points and tony was
still in the game.*(indy game)

given how Garrett tends to blow games late, he can't take Romo out as he might be needed late to bring up back for a come from behind win,,,

 

[reddyuta]

L. O. L.

I guess Dak's 41 rushing tds in college and 2500 yards rushing are an aberration then?

I said Athleticism,Dak is definitely stronger than Wilson and they used him a LOT in goal line situations because they couldnt run block At all.

 

[Ken]

I said Athleticism,Dak is definitely stronger than Wilson and they used him a LOT in goal line situations because they couldnt run block At all.

And how do you explain the additional 1100 rushing yards that he had over Wilson?

 

[DandyDon52]

given how Garrett tends to blow games late, he can't take Romo out as he might be needed late to bring up back for a come from behind win,,,

Well Romo would be in the game late if he started or if he came in to take over from dak.
I say late , but if I was going to pull dak I would do it at the half, so tony would have the whole 2nd half.
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and let me add that I am saying all this based on only 1 ps game, so really I need to see the other ps games,
to see how dak plays.
All I know now is he looked way better than the other rookie qb's who played week 1.
And if we could lighten the load on tony by 4-6 games that would help him be fresher for playoffs, and extend his career.
Of course the key is winning more than 50% of the games played by dak.

One thing Dak didnt do much of in the ps game 1 was run the ball, and he is quite good at that.
As long as he slides like he did on the one run he made or runs out of bounds, he shouldnt get hurt.

This is what made russell a success and rg3 a failure, is Russell ran smart and avoided injurys, and rg ran dumb and got hurt bad.

 

[percyhoward]

And Wilson isn't that great.

Wilson's defense did most of the work for three years, but 2015 was a turning point for him.

Passer rating when trailing in 2nd half, 2012-14
(min 300 att)
Romo 108.0
PManning 102.4
Rodgers 96.5
Rthlsbrgr 89.8
Rivers 89.0
Palmer 88.8
Brady 88.4
Stafford 87.5
Wilson 86.1

Last year, Wilson had a 108.4 rating in that situation.

 

[erod]

Wilson's defense did most of the work for three years, but 2015 was a turning point for him.

Passer rating when trailing in 2nd half, 2012-14
(min 300 att)
Romo 108.0
PManning 102.4
Rodgers 96.5
Rthlsbrgr 89.8
Rivers 89.0
Palmer 88.8
Brady 88.4
Stafford 87.5
Wilson 86.1

Last year, Wilson had a 108.4 rating in that situation.

I like Wilson a lot, but I don't consider him elite. He doesn't pick a team apart at the line of scrimmage like others. That doesn't mean he won't one day, but not yet.

 

[percyhoward]

I like Wilson a lot, but I don't consider him elite.

I've never especially been a fan of Wilson, but when you win a passing title, and you're that good coming from behind, I don't think it matters what they call you.

 

[Aven8]

I know 2 things about Wilson. We've faced him twice with lousy defenses and shut it down both times.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So, Saturday's game showed us all that Dak has potential to be a starting QB in this league and successor to Romo. We have four years to mold him before his contract is up. How we coach him up will be crucial. Over the years, our QB and offensive coaches have not shown a great aptitude for developing QBs and integrating them into our system. We should take a lesson from Seattle and Russell Wilson...

In my mind, Prescott and Wilson share similar physical and mental makeup. They are great athletes, smart, natural leaders, and have strong arms. However, their passing fundamentals, especially from the pocket, needed (Wilson) and need (Prescott) work. As the link below shows, Wilson has progressed well in this area because he has learned to suppress the instinct to run or throw immediately in the face of pressure, but instead, to "hitch up" or subtley step up or slide in the pocket to buy more time for him to read the defense and for his receivers to get open. This skill (along with improving footwork to create a solid base, so that each throw is accurate) will be key in Dak's development.

So how do we get Dak to where Wilson is (or close to it)? First step is make him the #2 QB (as Jerry alluded to today), so that he gets enough reps each week. Second step is to hire a better QB coach. Apologies to Wade Wilson, but we can do better. Maybe Jerry poaches a guy like Carl Smith (Russell Wilson's QB coach in SEA since he was drafted in 2012) or hires a bright young mind who has played QB more recently in the NFL and knows the "new game" (Wade Wilson retired from the NFL in 1999). Third step is for Dak to hire an offseason QB guru (I don't think NFL coaches can work with players except for specified camps) to work with him on fundamentals all year round.

If we follow these steps (or something like them), within four years when Dak's rookie contract is up, we should know if we have our next franchise QB or not.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/12/21/10636606/seahawks-replay-booth-russell-wilson-nfl-tyler-lockett

The old Wade Wilson can't develop QBs myth again?

Meanwhile everyone conveniently ignores the fact that Wade has developed Tony Freaking Romo.

Cognitive bias is a hell of a drug.

 

[percyhoward]

I know 2 things about Wilson. We've faced him twice with lousy defenses and shut it down both times.

Of the teams he's faced at least 3 times, Wilson has a 77.2 against us, and a 98.0 against everybody else.

So we're somebody's kryptonite, at least.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

These type of threads are where the merry go round of positive to negative posters all begins. This is a perfect example. I can tell you personally that I was very impressed watching Prescott and I have higher hopes for him because of it. I even came on here the next day and gave compliments and expressed my positiveness about him. Of course it was with caution because it was one half of the first preseason. But I can tell you immediately in my head I was dreading the overload of overzealous nonsense that would begin about how Dak is the next great QB in franchise history.

Its like these types of threads FORCE people to be negative. I am being FORCED into something I dont want to do because this stuff is just so over the top ridiculous that a realistic fan simply cant listen to it. In a weird, sad way I am almost hoping he goes 2-12 and two picks next weekend just to shut up these type of overzealous rants.

Can some of you please explain to me why we cant just let these cats play things out? Where is the need to over predict great things? Why would you want to be let down? Give the kid a chance to develop without all the pressure.

While I agree this is all over-zealousness...let me answer your last question. The why we can't just let these "cats play things out" question. And the answer is simple. Some people enjoy discussing football as much as they enjoy watching it.

Simple as that.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

The old Wade Wilson can't develop QBs myth again?

Meanwhile everyone conveniently ignores the fact that Wade has developed Tony Freaking Romo.

Cognitive bias is a hell of a drug.

Tony Romo joined the Cowboys in 2003. Wade Wilson joined the Cowboys in 2007. Wade Wilson had little to do with Tony Romo becoming Tony Romo.