How well is Dak doing against Parcell's 11 commandments after 7 years

[SteveTheCowboy]

Excellent post and sadly one that will be missed in the deluge of Dak talk. Stats can be used to show anything.. but you highlight the exact problem.. when Dak is used correctly he is a weapon.. when he was being used on the back of the leagues best rushing attack.. he looked very very good. The problem is when we expect him to be a true QB/elite QB. Then he fails, and has failed, repeatedly.

Unfortunately we can't have sensible discussions about it.. but that is why I wasn't a fan of a huge contract. I still believe that if we had kept Dak on sensible money, used him as a game manager and played to his limitations.. we could have had more success. But it didn't pan out that way. The moment Dak went chasing stats, money and his contract.. it was all over in terms of team success.

The moment jerry caved to it, as he tends to do, it was over. Doesnt hurt to ask....and doesnt hurt to say no.

 

[eromeopolk]

Came across this, an interesting read to see how well Dak has held up............ think he's done pretty well with most but some inconsistency with #7 and 8 but a number of factors ( not all the QB's fault ) can impact their outcome also.

https://insidethestar.com/bill-parcels-11-quarterback-commandments-2/#:~:text=Personnel, play call, motions,,you're gonna be judged.
BILL PARCELS’ 11 QUARTERBACK COMMANDMENTS

1. Press or TV agents or advisers, family or wives, friends or relatives, fans or hangers-on, ignore them on matters of football, they don't know what's happening here.
2. Don't forget to have fun, but don't be the class clown. Clowns and leaders don't mix. Clowns can't run a huddle.
3. A quarterback throws with his legs more than his arms. Squat and run. Fat quarterbacks can't avoid the rush.
4. Know your job cold. This is not a game without errors. Keep yours to a minimum. Study.
5. Know your own players. Who's fast? Who can catch? Who needs encouragement? Be precise. Know your opponent.
6. Be the same guy every day. In condition, preparing to lead, studying your plan. A coach can't prepare you for every eventuality. Prepare yourself and remember, impulse decisions usually equal mistakes.
7. Throwing the ball away is a good play. Sacks, interceptions, and fumbles are bad plays. Protect against those.
8. You must learn to manage the game. Personnel, play call, motions, ball handling, proper reads, accurate throws, play fakes. Clock, clock, clock, don't you ever lose track of the clock.
9. Passing stats and TD passes are not how you're gonna be judged. Your job is to get your team in the endzone and that's how you're gonna be judged.
10. When all around you is in chaos, you must be the hand that steers the ship. If you have a panic button, so will everyone else. Our ship can't have panic buttons.
11. Don't be a celebrity quarterback. We don't need any of those. We need battlefield commanders that are willing to fight it out every day, every week, and every season, and lead their team to win after win after win.

He gets a 95. He has not been a turn over prone QB until and the pass blocking and offensive weapons were sup par (drop in starting TE play, no no.2 WR, and OC was not using RBs in the passing game to make them weapons - see Mahomes RBs).

He is not an Elway, Mahomes, Staubach, or Rodgers that can pull rabbits out the hat. But he can entertain and win.

QB is not the Cowboys consistent problem...See the Dumbo GM.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Like Ol' 34-32 benched Romo his first year as a starter in 2006 when Romo threw 13 INTs and committed 9 fumbles?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm

Oh wait, Ol' 34-32 never did bench that turnover machine named Tony Romo.

So much for that thought...

Why is it you hate romo, but expect....demand... others love dak?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Why is it you hate romo, but expect....demand... others love dak?

I don't hate Romo at all. I dislike how Romo was coddled and excused for 10 years for the very same things Dak is attacked for. Total bias and complete hypocrisy.

 

[zeke21]

He's not doing so hot. Here are my letter grades.

1. Press or TV agents or advisers, family or wives, friends or relatives, fans or hangers-on, ignore them on matters of football, they don't know what's happening here.
   Grade: A
2. Don't forget to have fun, but don't be the class clown. Clowns and leaders don't mix. Clowns can't run a huddle.
   Grade: B
3. A quarterback throws with his legs more than his arms. Squat and run. Fat quarterbacks can't avoid the rush.
   Grade: B
4. Know your job cold. This is not a game without errors. Keep yours to a minimum. Study.
   Grade: F
5. Know your own players. Who's fast? Who can catch? Who needs encouragement? Be precise. Know your opponent.
   Grade: C-
6. Be the same guy every day. In condition, preparing to lead, studying your plan. A coach can't prepare you for every eventuality. Prepare yourself and remember, impulse decisions usually equal mistakes.
   Grade: F
7. Throwing the ball away is a good play. Sacks, interceptions, and fumbles are bad plays. Protect against those.
   Grade: F
8. You must learn to manage the game. Personnel, play call, motions, ball handling, proper reads, accurate throws, play fakes. Clock, clock, clock, don't you ever lose track of the clock.
   Grade: D-
9. Passing stats and TD passes are not how you're gonna be judged. Your job is to get your team in the endzone and that's how you're gonna be judged.
   Grade: D
10. When all around you is in chaos, you must be the hand that steers the ship. If you have a panic button, so will everyone else. Our ship can't have panic buttons.
    Grade: D
11. Don't be a celebrity quarterback. We don't need any of those. We need battlefield commanders that are willing to fight it out every day, every week, and every season, and lead their team to win after win after win.
    Grade: C

Can't argue with you rankings at all.. almost exactly how I'd see them.
1. A: One thing Dak does well is the off field stuff and lack of drama. Couldn't ask for more.
2. B: Dak is a good leader, but I do think at times he doesn't take his job seriously enough and he doesn't seem 'upset' enough when things are going south.
3. B: Dak has had poor footwork his whole career.. has worked on it but poor.. having said that.. he is strong through the core and has stood up through a couple of ripper tackles
4. F: Too many errors. Fails to read the field. Often throws into bad spots. Fails to avoid the oppo best CB etc etc.
5. C-: I might have given him a C or even B.. but C- is fair.. he has misused so many of his own receivers and has alienated more than one WR
6. F: Never been consistent. One week superstar, next week can't move the chains at all. Makes bad decisions under pressure.
7. F: Clearly leading interceptions despite missing 5 games.. eeek
8. D-: I'm thinking of the woeful clock management in both SF playoff games.. just bad. Also too many audibles out of run plays. I'd even downgrade this to an E.
9. D: Gets waaaay too pass happy near the endzone, chases stats. We have lost games because he won't do the easy thing.
10. D: I'd almost go an F for this one. The panic often starts with Dak.. and he sure as heck continues it too. Absolute panic merchant.
11. C: Hard for a Dallas QB not to be a celebrity.. I'd probably even give a B at a push.

It doesn't paint a pretty picture. 7 years on but I'm still wondering why so many got sucked into the Dakmania. I really just don't get it. There is no way you could rank this guy as elite... I really just do not get it.

 

[zeke21]

I don't hate Romo at all. I dislike how Romo was coddled and excused for 10 years for the very same things Dak is attacked for. Total bias and complete hypocrisy.

You are like Daks #1 fan.. and that requires you to do mental gymnastics everyday to coddle and excuse his poor play.. THAT is hypocrisy.

Romo was 'attacked' for giving away the ball under pressure - which he did. His supporters would often point out that these interceptions came on the back of Romo trying to win another 40pt 'shoot out' because our defence was woeful.. or yet again Romo was being asked to lead a 2 minute drive to save the game.

Romo was 'attacked' for not getting us to SB/playoff success - which he didn't. His supporters would often point out that he never really had the team that could get him there. The start of his career was behind an OLine that was nowhere near good enough.. and when they improved the offence enough to win.. the defence was almost leagues worst. When Romo did 'get his shot' with a team.. he only missed a championship game due to one of the most controversial calls in history. They call that a catch and perhaps his career is remembered differently.

Romo was a gunslinger. That means he was always going to go for the big play. What we are now realising is that he was also coaching himself and it is probably a minor miracle he did as well as he did.

Another big difference between Romo and Dak was that Romo elevated guys around him. How many careers did Romo make? Guys like Beasley, Austin, Bryant.. all of them never repeated the success they had with Romo.

Romo had excuses because excuses legitimately existed. Go and look at the record books. Romo started behind a statistically/historically bad OLine. We know that you can't have success (particularly as a rookie QB) behind a bad line. Romo then had some really poor coaching (turns out clapper couldn't even last as a line coach for a season outside of Dallas - Romo suffered through him 'learning on the job' for how many years???). Romo then had to play two seasons with a league bottom 5 defence - how many games did Romo have to win by putting up 35 points or more??

Dak has no excuses. None. He walked into a ferrari.. a team primed for the SB. His Rookie year he is behind a league leading OLine with the future HOF RB (at the time) and weapons at TE and WR.. he has then been consistently been behind great Olines.. always had a strong rushing attack.. and at least one weapon on the outside. The franchise has upgraded its coaching and its defence.

How can you not see the difference? Chalk and Cheese. Romo would have gone further with the 2016 team and I have no doubt he would have taken the team further in the past 2 seasons as well if he was still QB. Romo is a far better QB than Dak. Far better.

 

[Redline360]

Anyone that thinks Dak situation is similar to Romo's is beyond reasoning and knows little about the game besides "fantasy football stats". Why most people don't take certain posters seriously.

Also, Romo gets the media attention of being a turnover machine in the 4th quarter and the sheep's eat it all up. During his career his 4th quarter and OT "stats if you want to talk stats" he was one of if not the best 4th quarter quarterbacks during his playing time. People like Brady, Rivers and etc had more game ending INT then romo on certain years

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

He was the last HC for the Cowboys that I would watch every PC and all of that PC.

He was not perfect and had his issues but still miss him as the HC.

With that said. Although his QB commandments may have a good deal of sage advice, The Big Tuna was not exactly known for pumping out HOF QBs. Super bowl QBs yes, hof ones no.

 

[America's Cowboy]

You are like Daks #1 fan.. and that requires you to do mental gymnastics everyday to coddle and excuse his poor play.. THAT is hypocrisy.

Romo was 'attacked' for giving away the ball under pressure - which he did. His supporters would often point out that these interceptions came on the back of Romo trying to win another 40pt 'shoot out' because our defence was woeful.. or yet again Romo was being asked to lead a 2 minute drive to save the game.

Romo was 'attacked' for not getting us to SB/playoff success - which he didn't. His supporters would often point out that he never really had the team that could get him there. The start of his career was behind an OLine that was nowhere near good enough.. and when they improved the offence enough to win.. the defence was almost leagues worst. When Romo did 'get his shot' with a team.. he only missed a championship game due to one of the most controversial calls in history. They call that a catch and perhaps his career is remembered differently.

Romo was a gunslinger. That means he was always going to go for the big play. What we are now realising is that he was also coaching himself and it is probably a minor miracle he did as well as he did.

Another big difference between Romo and Dak was that Romo elevated guys around him. How many careers did Romo make? Guys like Beasley, Austin, Bryant.. all of them never repeated the success they had with Romo.

Romo had excuses because excuses legitimately existed. Go and look at the record books. Romo started behind a statistically/historically bad OLine. We know that you can't have success (particularly as a rookie QB) behind a bad line. Romo then had some really poor coaching (turns out clapper couldn't even last as a line coach for a season outside of Dallas - Romo suffered through him 'learning on the job' for how many years???). Romo then had to play two seasons with a league bottom 5 defence - how many games did Romo have to win by putting up 35 points or more??

Dak has no excuses. None. He walked into a ferrari.. a team primed for the SB. His Rookie year he is behind a league leading OLine with the future HOF RB (at the time) and weapons at TE and WR.. he has then been consistently been behind great Olines.. always had a strong rushing attack.. and at least one weapon on the outside. The franchise has upgraded its coaching and its defence.

How can you not see the difference? Chalk and Cheese. Romo would have gone further with the 2016 team and I have no doubt he would have taken the team further in the past 2 seasons as well if he was still QB. Romo is a far better QB than Dak. Far better.

What a crock. You lost all credibility when you mentioned Beasley and Dez.

Cole Beasley started with the Cowboys in 2012. He spent 4 seasons (2012 - 2015) playing under Romo. Yet, Beasley's highest and second highest biggest seasons as a Dallas Cowboy happened under Dak in 2016 and 2018. Even then, his career overall 2nd, 3rd and 4th highest seasons came under Josh Allen in Buffalo, so with both Dak and Josh as his QBs, Beasley by far exceeded his yearly performances than what he did with Romo throwing him the ball.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/co...ey has played 11,and has scored 34 touchdowns.

As for Dez Bryant, hello, he was a 1st round pick (24th overall) in 2010. Aside from his dismal rookie season, Dez had his 4 years in a row of biggest production while playing under Romo. That's when Dez was in his prime and healthy. No surprise with his stats those years since that's what 1st round picks are supposed to do. Suddenly, in 2015, Dez broke his foot and only plated in 9 games. His foot never fully healed and always gave him problems for the rest of his career starting in 2015. Even then, playing with a bad foot which seriously diminished his playing abilities, Dez was still able to accrue two 800+ yard seasons during his last two seasons as a Cowboy under Dak. To top it off, bad foot and diminished skills and all, Dez was still able to accomplish his career biggest yards/catch average (15.9 yards/reception) while having rookie Dak throw to Dez in 2016. Then Dez was cut by the Cowboys before the 2018 season where he only play for 1 more season for Baltimore where Dez only was thrown to 11 times for a mere 6 catches and a horrible 47 yards total yards receiving. Shows how good Dak was to be able to gain two 800 yards seasons out of Dez, along with his biggest yards/catch average in his career.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/dez-bryant-career-stats

So much for your sad examples of which QB made his receivers better. I think it's time for you to give Dak his due credit already and stop with the nonsense statistical stories.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I don't hate Romo at all. I dislike how Romo was coddled and excused for 10 years for the very same things Dak is attacked for. Total bias and complete hypocrisy.

They were doing the same thing you are doing now.

 

[CCBoy]

This rule makes absolutely no sense...

9. Passing stats and TD passes are not how you're gonna be judged. Your job is to get your team in the endzone and that's how you're gonna be judged.

Uhhh, hello? To get into the endzone, you need good passing stats and accumulated TDs, unless all you plan on doing is running the ball. Good luck with that since you would need one of the best Olines and RBs.

The not stated part is that if those stats are stronger against the weaker teams, then the numbers are not nearly as valuable a measure as doing strong play against all the top teams!

 

[Bullflop]

I'm hoping we draft a promising QB and/or get another backup to stiffen the competition at that spot.

A highly capable QB coach might help also. Who knows, maybe Will Grier will provide competition...

 

[khiladi]

Parcells was way too conservative offensively for the modern NFL and the game passed him by. Romo basically gave him a new leash by being the anti-Parcells, but Parcells hamstrung the offense, particularly playing way too conservative when Seattle had banged up DBs and had CBs on the street.

I still feel Parcells never wanted to bench Bledsoe, but his hand was forced after the interceptions.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

What a crock. You lost all credibility when you mentioned Beasley and Dez.

Cole Beasley started with the Cowboys in 2012. He spent 4 seasons (2012 - 2015) playing under Romo. Yet, Beasley's highest and second highest biggest seasons as a Dallas Cowboy happened under Dak in 2016 and 2018. Even then, his career overall 2nd, 3rd and 4th highest seasons came under Josh Allen in Buffalo, so with both Dak and Josh as his QBs, Beasley by far exceeded his yearly performances than what he did with Romo throwing him the ball.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/cole-beasley-career-stats#:~:text=Cole Beasley has played 11,and has scored 34 touchdowns.

As for Dez Bryant, hello, he was a 1st round pick (24th overall) in 2010. Aside from his dismal rookie season, Dez had his 4 years in a row of biggest production while playing under Romo. That's when Dez was in his prime and healthy. No surprise with his stats those years since that's what 1st round picks are supposed to do. Suddenly, in 2015, Dez broke his foot and only plated in 9 games. His foot never fully healed and always gave him problems for the rest of his career starting in 2015. Even then, playing with a bad foot which seriously diminished his playing abilities, Dez was still able to accrue two 800+ yard seasons during his last two seasons as a Cowboy under Dak. To top it off, bad foot and diminished skills and all, Dez was still able to accomplish his career biggest yards/catch average (15.9 yards/reception) while having rookie Dak throw to Dez in 2016. Then Dez was cut by the Cowboys before the 2018 season where he only play for 1 more season for Baltimore where Dez only was thrown to 11 times for a mere 6 catches and a horrible 47 yards total yards receiving. Shows how good Dak was to be able to gain two 800 yards seasons out of Dez, along with his biggest yards/catch average in his career.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/dez-bryant-career-stats

So much for your sad examples of which QB made his receivers better. I think it's time for you to give Dak his due credit already and stop with the nonsense statistical stories.

Yep....since he couldnt get the ball to dez or witten....bease was his safe space.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yep....since he couldnt get the ball to dez or witten....bease was his safe space.

Absolutely not true. Why do y'all Dak detractors lie so much? I already proved y'all wrong about Dak to Dez in my previous posts, so I will now prove you wrong about your false claim about Dak to Witten.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WittJa00.htm

Look at the amount of targets Jason Witten received from Romo in 2014 (I won't even mention 2015 since Romo was injured 2/3rds of the season) and Dak in 2016 (as a rookie QB), 2017 and 2019 (Witten initially retired for the 2018 season before coming back for 1 more season with the Cowboys in 2019).

Romo's targets to Witten in 2014: 90 targets with 64 completions.

Dak's targets to Witten by season:
2016: 95 targets with 69 receptions
2017: 87 targets with 63 receptions
2019: 83 targets with 63 receptions

As anyone can see, Dak got the ball to old man Witten as much or even more to Witten than Romo did after his last healthy season in 2014. Heck, look at the numbers in his lone and last season with the Raiders in 2020 where Witten played all 16 games: a drastically mere 17 targets with only 13 receptions and a paltry 69 receiving yards. The Raiders under Derek Carr couldn't even come anywhere close to doing with Witten what Dak did the previous 3 seasons of Witten's career. This totally destroys your 100% falsehood about how Dak didn't target Jason Witten or use him to his full benefit.

Care to admit you were wrong?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Absolutely not true. Why do y'all Dak detractors lie so much? I already proved y'all wrong about Dak to Dez in my previous posts, so I will now prove you wrong about your false claim about Dak to Witten.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WittJa00.htm

Look at the amount of targets Jason Witten received from Romo in 2014 (I won't even mention 2015 since Romo was injured 2/3rds of the season) and Dak in 2016 (as a rookie QB), 2017 and 2019 (Witten initially retired for the 2018 season before coming back for 1 more season with the Cowboys in 2019).

Romo's targets to Witten in 2014: 90 targets with 64 completions.

Dak's targets to Witten by season:
2016: 95 targets with 69 receptions
2017: 87 targets with 63 receptions
2019: 83 targets with 63 receptions

As anyone can see, Dak got the ball to old man Witten as much or even more to Witten than Romo did after his last healthy season in 2014. Heck, look at the numbers in his lone and last season with the Raiders in 2020 where Witten played all 16 games: a drastically mere 17 targets with only 13 receptions and a paltry 69 receiving yards. The Raiders under Derek Carr couldn't even come anywhere close to doing with Witten what Dak did the previous 3 seasons of Witten's career. This totally destroys your 100% falsehood about how Dak didn't target Jason Witten or use him to his full benefit.

Care to admit you were wrong?

I was wrong.

For the record....woyld you like to admit you are wrong? You claimed I lied. Then you ask me to admit I was wrong. You do know those are two different things?

But people that just want to FIGHT on the internet...and bully people...surely can't admit THEIR faults and mistakes.

Also for the record...I didn't care if I was wrong when I said that. I was just waiting for you to go nuclear on it. You could say....on this rare occasion that you are making me come clean........I trolled your axe hard. LOL! You bit just like I knew you would.

You go to great lengths to protect your boy Dak on facts and truth...but will NOT do the same for Tony Romo.

You are once again...exposed as a hypocrite fraud.

 

[Captain-Crash]

I thought he said he hated Romo because he dated star women, not guys. dang

 

[America's Cowboy]

I was wrong.

For the record....woyld you like to admit you are wrong? You claimed I lied. Then you ask me to admit I was wrong. You do know those are two different things?

But people that just want to FIGHT on the internet...and bully people...surely can't admit THEIR faults and mistakes.

Also for the record...I didn't care if I was wrong when I said that. I was just waiting for you to go nuclear on it. You could say....on this rare occasion that you are making me come clean........I trolled your axe hard. LOL! You bit just like I knew you would.

You go to great lengths to protect your boy Dak on facts and truth...but will NOT do the same for Tony Romo.

You are once again...exposed as a hypocrite fraud.

Thanks for admitting all you do is to troll on here, especially against a few like me who likes to talk facts. So, yes, you lying is a common theme you spill around here to troll and defend your boy, Romo. You're not the only one. Sucks to be wrong so often.

 

[plasticman]

He had them all cold in his rookie season.

After that.......

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Thanks for admitting all you do is to troll on here, especially against a few like me who likes to talk facts. So, yes, you lying is a common theme you spill around here to troll and defend your boy, Romo. You're not the only one. Sucks to be wrong so often.

Oh..and you don't troll. Don't lecture me about it. I did it once to you, you do it incessantly to many people. So just stop.