How well is Dak doing against Parcell's 11 commandments after 7 years

[jgboys1]

Yah… he is not doing great. I’d say he fails rule numbers 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 11

So you are saying he can still get worse?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Our current and previous QB are masters of that. Romo even brought the North Dallas Forty fail to real life.

Lol...dude...I;d say you're a bit of an idiot if it weren;t for the rules. MAybe you're really very young and don't know the real OLD party cowboys.

Goes WAY back...but a "modern" partier is Irvin and pair of scissors in the shower.

Involving Romo as North Dallas Forty partier? Aw...how cute!

A young baby Cowboys fan AND pretend romo hater. HOW ORIGINAL! Never seen this before.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Then talk seriously.. Dak is an epic failure. A costly 7 year mistake that we are trapped in for at least another 2 years. The rest of the league are laughing at us.. and not a single serious contender.. not one.. is worried about facing Dak at QB.

So let's get serious.. Mahomes suddenly decides he wants out of KC right now.. how many times come hunting? Hurts wants to move on.. how many? Allen gets moved on.. Burrow.. Watson?? All of them would create a feeding frenzy.

Dak goes on the market tomorrow.. at his contract price.. who (and BE HONEST now) comes looking? Tell me one serious contending team that would feel Dak is an upgrade? or put it the other way.. If you took our roster this season.. and swapped Dak (and only Dak) out for Mahomes, Hurts, Burrow, Wilson, Brady, Rodgers, Allen, Herbert, Lawrence, Jackson... then I think we would have gone further. Then flip it the other way.. if you put Dak in their respective teams.. does he do better or worse?

You will argue some nonsense.. and that is fine.. but anyone with a football brain and eyes.. knows that Dak would be a downgrade.

So there is no debate across the league that Dak is now a guy that is around the 12th-15th best QB in the league.. but getting paid top 2 money. That equation will not work to win a SB. It can't work. I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings but it is the truth. Everyone, bar the most extreme of Dak lovers, can now see the ugly truth.

Dak would give you a shot at success if he was being paid medium money to be a competent bus driver.. he would. However.. he is not elite, will never be elite.. and will never give the Cowboys a chance of winning because we over valued and over paid him.

 

[USArmyVet]

300+ yard games by Dak in his career (regular season and playoffs):

2016: 3 games (2-1 record)
2017: 1 game (1-0 record)
2018: 2 games (2-0 record)
2019 (last year of rookie contract): 7 games (3-4 record)
2020 (missed 11 games due to injury): 3 games (1-2 record)
2021 (missed 1 game due to injury): 5 games (3-2 record)
2022 (missed 5 games due to injury): 2 games (2-0 record)

Interesting how Dak threw for more 300+ yard games in 2019 than he had in the 3 total seasons before that.....when he was in the last year of his rookie year....gotta earn that big contract by trying to show you can throw the ball instead of being a bus driving game manager.....yet when Dak played the game manager role his career record was 5-1 (2016-2018) and when he went all air raid QB his career record is 9-8 (2019-2022).

 

[jterrell]

Dak haters are gonna cry when these get broken down

1. Press or TV agents or advisers, family or wives, friends or relatives, fans or hangers-on, ignore them on matters of football, they don't know what's happening here.--Dak has one brother he's close to and no other outsiders we even know of. Check here.
2. Don't forget to have fun, but don't be the class clown. Clowns and leaders don't mix. Clowns can't run a huddle. ---Easy check mark here. Dak has fun but he's definitely not a class clown.
3. A quarterback throws with his legs more than his arms. Squat and run. Fat quarterbacks can't avoid the rush. ---Dak had a major injury that limited his mobility some but he uses his legs more than most QBs and showed up this year having lost weight. Check here.
4. Know your job cold. This is not a game without errors. Keep yours to a minimum. Study. ---Dak had a lot of unforced errors this year. Easy miss.
5. Know your own players. Who's fast? Who can catch? Who needs encouragement? Be precise. Know your opponent.--- Dak has dominated the NFC East which are the regular opponents, and he has found rapport with many different WRs/TEs. Check here.
6. Be the same guy every day. In condition, preparing to lead, studying your plan. A coach can't prepare you for every eventuality. Prepare yourself and remember, impulse decisions usually equal mistakes.--Easy to argue Dak can be impulsive.
7. Throwing the ball away is a good play. Sacks, interceptions, and fumbles are bad plays. Protect against those.---Dak has been good at this for his career but was not good at it this year.
8. You must learn to manage the game. Personnel, play call, motions, ball handling, proper reads, accurate throws, play fakes. Clock, clock, clock, don't you ever lose track of the clock.---Mixed bag here. Dak has been good in late game siutations overall but not good enough in the biggest spots.
9. Passing stats and TD passes are not how you're gonna be judged. Your job is to get your team in the endzone and that's how you're gonna be judged. ---Interesting one because Dak led the highest scoring offense in the NFL the last 2 season worth of games.
10. When all around you is in chaos, you must be the hand that steers the ship. If you have a panic button, so will everyone else. Our ship can't have panic buttons. ---Dak has been very steady and a ood late game QB but again in biggest moments he has faltered. Is it added pressure he can't handle or is the other team just better?
11. Don't be a celebrity quarterback. We don't need any of those. We need battlefield commanders that are willing to fight it out every day, every week, and every season, and lead their team to win after win after win. ---Every Cowboiys QB is a celebrity QB. Not much to be done there but Dak has done less than Troy or Tony by far in that vein. Fairly quiet off-season guy and not a Cali guy hanging with Kardashians. Going to say check.

 

[Cmac]

so you hate romo i see. Good to know.

Wrong SteveTheCowboy.......the commandments were originally designed for TRomo......right? How'd that work out as for postseason play? Don't hate TRomo.....just baffled why he gets a "curved grade".

 

[Cmac]

Dak haters are gonna cry when these get broken down

1. Press or TV agents or advisers, family or wives, friends or relatives, fans or hangers-on, ignore them on matters of football, they don't know what's happening here.--Dak has one brother he's close to and no other outsiders we even know of. Check here.
2. Don't forget to have fun, but don't be the class clown. Clowns and leaders don't mix. Clowns can't run a huddle. ---Easy check mark here. Dak has fun but he's definitely not a class clown.
3. A quarterback throws with his legs more than his arms. Squat and run. Fat quarterbacks can't avoid the rush. ---Dak had a major injury that limited his mobility some but he uses his legs more than most QBs and showed up this year having lost weight. Check here.
4. Know your job cold. This is not a game without errors. Keep yours to a minimum. Study. ---Dak had a lot of unforced errors this year. Easy miss.
5. Know your own players. Who's fast? Who can catch? Who needs encouragement? Be precise. Know your opponent.--- Dak has dominated the NFC East which are the regular opponents, and he has found rapport with many different WRs/TEs. Check here.
6. Be the same guy every day. In condition, preparing to lead, studying your plan. A coach can't prepare you for every eventuality. Prepare yourself and remember, impulse decisions usually equal mistakes.--Easy to argue Dak can be impulsive.
7. Throwing the ball away is a good play. Sacks, interceptions, and fumbles are bad plays. Protect against those.---Dak has been good at this for his career but was not good at it this year.
8. You must learn to manage the game. Personnel, play call, motions, ball handling, proper reads, accurate throws, play fakes. Clock, clock, clock, don't you ever lose track of the clock.---Mixed bag here. Dak has been good in late game siutations overall but not good enough in the biggest spots.
9. Passing stats and TD passes are not how you're gonna be judged. Your job is to get your team in the endzone and that's how you're gonna be judged. ---Interesting one because Dak led the highest scoring offense in the NFL the last 2 season worth of games.
10. When all around you is in chaos, you must be the hand that steers the ship. If you have a panic button, so will everyone else. Our ship can't have panic buttons. ---Dak has been very steady and a ood late game QB but again in biggest moments he has faltered. Is it added pressure he can't handle or is the other team just better?
11. Don't be a celebrity quarterback. We don't need any of those. We need battlefield commanders that are willing to fight it out every day, every week, and every season, and lead their team to win after win after win. ---Every Cowboiys QB is a celebrity QB. Not much to be done there but Dak has done less than Troy or Tony by far in that vein. Fairly quiet off-season guy and not a Cali guy hanging with Kardashians. Going to say check.

Maybe these commandments need to be tossed......they didn't work for TRomo as well. May need a new set of commandments.

 

[zeke21]

300+ yard games by Dak in his career (regular season and playoffs):

2016: 3 games (2-1 record)
2017: 1 game (1-0 record)
2018: 2 games (2-0 record)
2019 (last year of rookie contract): 7 games (3-4 record)
2020 (missed 11 games due to injury): 3 games (1-2 record)
2021 (missed 1 game due to injury): 5 games (3-2 record)
2022 (missed 5 games due to injury): 2 games (2-0 record)

Interesting how Dak threw for more 300+ yard games in 2019 than he had in the 3 total seasons before that.....when he was in the last year of his rookie year....gotta earn that big contract by trying to show you can throw the ball instead of being a bus driving game manager.....yet when Dak played the game manager role his career record was 5-1 (2016-2018) and when he went all air raid QB his career record is 9-8 (2019-2022).

Excellent post and sadly one that will be missed in the deluge of Dak talk. Stats can be used to show anything.. but you highlight the exact problem.. when Dak is used correctly he is a weapon.. when he was being used on the back of the leagues best rushing attack.. he looked very very good. The problem is when we expect him to be a true QB/elite QB. Then he fails, and has failed, repeatedly.

Unfortunately we can't have sensible discussions about it.. but that is why I wasn't a fan of a huge contract. I still believe that if we had kept Dak on sensible money, used him as a game manager and played to his limitations.. we could have had more success. But it didn't pan out that way. The moment Dak went chasing stats, money and his contract.. it was all over in terms of team success.

 

[NotForLong]

This rule makes absolutely no sense...

9. Passing stats and TD passes are not how you're gonna be judged. Your job is to get your team in the endzone and that's how you're gonna be judged.

Uhhh, hello? To get into the endzone, you need good passing stats and accumulated TDs, unless all you plan on doing is running the ball. Good luck with that since you would need one of the best Olines and RBs.

Rush was winning and getting in the End Zone . . . And you complained that His Yards and TD were not enough

 

[America's Cowboy]

Rush was winning and getting in the End Zone . . . And you complained that His Yards and TD were not enough

The Defense carried the team during Rush's 5 game starting streak. Look at the Offensive production stats and points average. It was woefully much less than when Dak was QB. Let's be honest now. Big difference.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Wrong SteveTheCowboy.......the commandments were originally designed for TRomo......right? How'd that work out as for postseason play? Don't hate TRomo.....just baffled why he gets a "curved grade".

If we're to compare Romo to Dak....there probably has to be some kind of curve. I think it would be a mistake to do straight across the board stats...and ESPECIALLY playoff wins and losses..

One of the "curves" I bring in is what did Romo's WRs do after they left him? Not much. What did cooper do after leaving? 1000+ yards on a suspect team.

Another "curve" is what did Romo do to lose playoff games? How did he mess up against the packers? How did Dak mess up in HIS playoff games? Um...kinda messed them up a little. Not all his fault, of course.

These are not hard and fast curves. Just....kinda general idea on "curves".

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The Defense carried the team during Rush's 5 game starting streak. Look at the Offensive production stats and points average. It was woefully much less than when Dak was QB. Let's be honest now. Big difference.

"Offensive production" includes VERY few "mistakes" that puts pressure on the defense.

 

[Cmac]

If we're to compare Romo to Dak....there probably has to be some kind of curve. I think it would be a mistake to do straight across the board stats...and ESPECIALLY playoff wins and losses..

One of the "curves" I bring in is what did Romo's WRs do after they left him? Not much. What did cooper do after leaving? 1000+ yards on a suspect team.

Another "curve" is what did Romo do to lose playoff games? How did he mess up against the packers? How did Dak mess up in HIS playoff games? Um...kinda messed them up a little. Not all his fault, of course.

These are not hard and fast curves. Just....kinda general idea on "curves".

....perhaps you've forgotten several last game of the season games to get into the playoff opportunities that TRomo played in. Just sayin'. That seems to be a curve.....(let's toss those out......right?).

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

....perhaps you've forgotten several last game of the season games to get into the playoff opportunities that TRomo played in. Just sayin'. That seems to be a curve.....(let's toss those out......right?).

Such as?

Are you talking about having to go back out multiple times...because the defense caved? Details and CONTEXT...are the "curves".

I don;t really want to fight/argue it. I was just trying to, civilly... give some perspective on your "curve" theory. I do agree, we can't have double standards about it.

 

[Cmac]

Such as?

Are you talking about having to go back out multiple times...because the defense caved? Details and CONTEXT...are the "curves".

I don;t really want to fight/argue it. I was just trying to, civilly... give some perspective on your "curve" theory. I do agree, we can't have double standards about it.

No need to fight/argue about it. Your point is well-taken and respected. And the double standards have been exactly what I've been expressing.

My Point.....Dak failed this year and deserved an "F" grade and informing him that he must repeat the class or grade. However the results TRomo yielded, just in kind.......don't merit TRomo being named Magna Cum Laude. He failed too. That's been my only point. Curves.....("didn't have a defense, won by himself, won despite Garrett, tossed all the TDs, etc, etc. etc.) are meaningless to the end result, in kind.

As for postseason results......the following grade for BOTH (with only one left to be able to change a grade) would be......

Now watch what happens after this post.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

He's not doing so hot. Here are my letter grades.

1. Press or TV agents or advisers, family or wives, friends or relatives, fans or hangers-on, ignore them on matters of football, they don't know what's happening here.
   Grade: A
2. Don't forget to have fun, but don't be the class clown. Clowns and leaders don't mix. Clowns can't run a huddle.
   Grade: B
3. A quarterback throws with his legs more than his arms. Squat and run. Fat quarterbacks can't avoid the rush.
   Grade: B
4. Know your job cold. This is not a game without errors. Keep yours to a minimum. Study.
   Grade: F
5. Know your own players. Who's fast? Who can catch? Who needs encouragement? Be precise. Know your opponent.
   Grade: C-
6. Be the same guy every day. In condition, preparing to lead, studying your plan. A coach can't prepare you for every eventuality. Prepare yourself and remember, impulse decisions usually equal mistakes.
   Grade: F
7. Throwing the ball away is a good play. Sacks, interceptions, and fumbles are bad plays. Protect against those.
   Grade: F
8. You must learn to manage the game. Personnel, play call, motions, ball handling, proper reads, accurate throws, play fakes. Clock, clock, clock, don't you ever lose track of the clock.
   Grade: D-
9. Passing stats and TD passes are not how you're gonna be judged. Your job is to get your team in the endzone and that's how you're gonna be judged.
   Grade: D
10. When all around you is in chaos, you must be the hand that steers the ship. If you have a panic button, so will everyone else. Our ship can't have panic buttons.
    Grade: D
11. Don't be a celebrity quarterback. We don't need any of those. We need battlefield commanders that are willing to fight it out every day, every week, and every season, and lead their team to win after win after win.
    Grade: C

 

[GMO415]

17 INTs? Tuna would have benched his butt.

 

[DuncanIso]

Came across this, an interesting read to see how well Dak has held up............ think he's done pretty well with most but some inconsistency with #7 and 8 but a number of factors ( not all the QB's fault ) can impact their outcome also.

https://insidethestar.com/bill-parcels-11-quarterback-commandments-2/#:~:text=Personnel, play call, motions,,you're gonna be judged.
BILL PARCELS’ 11 QUARTERBACK COMMANDMENTS

1. Press or TV agents or advisers, family or wives, friends or relatives, fans or hangers-on, ignore them on matters of football, they don't know what's happening here.
2. Don't forget to have fun, but don't be the class clown. Clowns and leaders don't mix. Clowns can't run a huddle.
3. A quarterback throws with his legs more than his arms. Squat and run. Fat quarterbacks can't avoid the rush.
4. Know your job cold. This is not a game without errors. Keep yours to a minimum. Study.
5. Know your own players. Who's fast? Who can catch? Who needs encouragement? Be precise. Know your opponent.
6. Be the same guy every day. In condition, preparing to lead, studying your plan. A coach can't prepare you for every eventuality. Prepare yourself and remember, impulse decisions usually equal mistakes.
7. Throwing the ball away is a good play. Sacks, interceptions, and fumbles are bad plays. Protect against those.
8. You must learn to manage the game. Personnel, play call, motions, ball handling, proper reads, accurate throws, play fakes. Clock, clock, clock, don't you ever lose track of the clock.
9. Passing stats and TD passes are not how you're gonna be judged. Your job is to get your team in the endzone and that's how you're gonna be judged.
10. When all around you is in chaos, you must be the hand that steers the ship. If you have a panic button, so will everyone else. Our ship can't have panic buttons.
11. Don't be a celebrity quarterback. We don't need any of those. We need battlefield commanders that are willing to fight it out every day, every week, and every season, and lead their team to win after win after win.

Good stuff.

Always liked that list.

 

[America's Cowboy]

"Offensive production" includes VERY few "mistakes" that puts pressure on the defense.

Very true.

It also helps when your Oline pass protects much better, you have more than 1 weapon, plus you have better routes schemes and concepts to better help your less talented receivers try to get open early and often.

 

[America's Cowboy]

17 INTs? Tuna would have benched his butt.

Like Ol' 34-32 benched Romo his first year as a starter in 2006 when Romo threw 13 INTs and committed 9 fumbles?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00.htm

Oh wait, Ol' 34-32 never did bench that turnover machine named Tony Romo.

So much for that thought...