Hudson Houck - OL Coach - Dallas Cowboys

[theogt]

Then I am starting to agree w/ Sarge. I think each and everyone of them are overrated.

They were fantastic last year ... with Sparano.

 

[Idgit]

it goes beyond the Oline to Garrett's scheme

he has them blocking for too long

:laugh2: We weren't able to handle simple stunts or delayed blitzes. Blocking *too long* was never the problem.

max protect, so that they dont' have to shift outside, and run 3-step drops

Garrett could have done so much to alleviate the strain

Max-protect is what killed us for three quarters of the Ravens game. The answer there was to spread and let Tony make them miss. Three-step drops take away Tony's ability to do that, and restricts our passing tree with an offense that's supposed to be lethal passing the ball. Even then, it doesn't work if you can't pickup stunts right up the middle.

 

[Idgit]

They were fantastic last year ... with Sparano.

Pass blocking anyway, yes.

What happened with Houck? I'm completely confused by what happened with pass blocking this year. There was a while there where Flozell was really hurting, but towards the end of the year, we were awful. Getting beat by good defensive lines, but just not picking up rudimentary pressure. Starting the wrong backup players. Slow adjustments, everything. Very confusing.

 

[theogt]

Pass blocking anyway, yes.

What happened with Houck? I'm completely confused by what happened with pass blocking this year. There was a while there where Flozell was really hurting, but towards the end of the year, we were awful. Getting beat by good defensive lines, but just not picking up rudimentary pressure. Starting the wrong backup players. Slow adjustments, everything. Very confusing.

Barber had 4.8 YPC. We get that O-line back, and I think we'd be over 5 YPC as a team with Felix and Choice splitting with Barber instead of Julius.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

:laugh2: We weren't able to handle simple stunts or delayed blitzes. Blocking *too long* was never the problem.

the line can't handle speed, it's the coordinators job to devise a way to get the ball out sooner, as well as softening up that D

Max-protect is what killed us for three quarters of the Ravens game. The answer there was to spread and let Tony make them miss. Three-step drops take away Tony's ability to do that, and restricts our passing tree with an offense that's supposed to be lethal passing the ball. Even then, it doesn't work if you can't pickup stunts right up the middle.

you can max-protect, but if you ask the receivers to run long routes, the protection is going to break down

Romo has never been really asked to run 3-step drops, but he has a quick release, so it should only be a natural for him

 

[Idgit]

Barber had 4.8 YPC. We get that O-line back, and I think we'd be over 5 YPC as a team with Felix and Choice splitting with Barber instead of Julius.

The run blocking was fine. And it'd be better if we could make teams pay more for blitzing.

It was the pass blocking that fell apart. I know a lot of it was the defenses we were playing, too, but it looked like the Pettiti/Tucker days at times with all the free shots on our QB.

 

[Idgit]

the line can't handle speed, it's the coordinators job to devise a way to get the ball out sooner, as well as softening up that D



you can max-protect, but if you ask the receivers to run long routes, the protection is going to break down

Romo has never been really asked to run 3-step drops, but he has a quick release, so it should only be a natural for him

That was the other thing that drove me crazy in that Raven game. The middle of the field was there to be had if we could just get the ball off, and we weren't able to do it until we finally adjusted at the end of the game.

 

[jday]

See here's the problem. At the beginning of the year, our OL was described as one of the best in the league only behind the Cleveland Brown's offensive line (1st place should raise some questions on how they came to this determination). The truth is, they were described as one of the best because three of them went to the Pro Bowl. But why did they go? Because they were part of a winning team that put up huge offensive number. But why did they win and put up huge numbers? Because Romo would create well after a play was busted and make countless defenders look like fools as he juked them and dodged their potential sack. This is also why Jason Garrett received alot of undue credit. Despite the calls he made, Romo always made it work. Then, he tried to reinvent himself and in doing so he exposed both the OL and the Offensive Coordinator for what they really are: Overweight and overhyped.

 

[Sarge]

See here's the problem. At the beginning of the year, our OL was described as one of the best in the league only behind the Cleveland Brown's offensive line (1st place should raise some questions on how they came to this determination). The truth is, they were described as one of the best because three of them went to the Pro Bowl. But why did they go? Because they were part of a winning team that put up huge offensive number. But why did they win and put up huge numbers? Because Romo would create well after a play was busted and make countless defenders look like fools as he juked them and dodged their potential sack. This is also why Jason Garrett received alot of undue credit. Despite the calls he made, Romo always made it work. Then, he tried to reinvent himself and in doing so he exposed both the OL and the Offensive Coordinator for what they really are: Overweight and overhyped.

Yep, Romos' scrambling ability makes them look 5000 times better than they are. Don't get me wrong, they don't suck, they just aren't even close to being the best in the league.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That was the other thing that drove me crazy in that Raven game. The middle of the field was there to be had if we could just get the ball off, and we weren't able to do it until we finally adjusted at the end of the game.

if only we committed to the running game...

 

[Idgit]

if only we committed to the running game...

*That's* a Garrett thing, because we run a lot of the time against what looks the defense gives us. If we can't get the looks we want, we pass against the front we get. If our intermediate passing game was stronger, like it was last year, we'd be getting more run fronts.

Earlier in the year, there was talk about having pass-pass-run options for Tony at the line. I'd be interested in seeing what came of those decisions and how many times we checked from one pass into another instead of to a run.

 

[postal]

Our left side needs replaced, I for one was hoping they wouldn't have resigned flostart.

 

[AlterEgo]

I think part of the problem with the OL is because the offense had no identity. Was this a passing offense or a running offense? Some games we looked like Martz throwing the ball all over the place and others we ran the ball pretty well like the second Wash game. If the OL doesn't get in a groove by knowing what they are I think its hard for them to perform well.

What we need is to run the ball more. It will tranform the line to maulers plus help reduce Romo with his costly turnovers. My 2 cents.

 

[juck]

Hudson Houck isnt the answer.

 

[JordanTaber]

Andre Gurode needs to be moved to left guard. His shotgun snaps are miserable...and the fact that he's not even doing a good job of making the blitz pickup calls suggests that there is no reason to keep him at the spot.

Marc Colombo's pass protection has been weak this year, too. He took several steps back...figure she got the contract extension.

 

[RoadRunner]

I am convinced that the root of the problem is Flozell Adams. He is unwilling to correct his false start problem, his matador blocking problem, and it has become obvious that opposing defenses are keying on him with their best speed rushers.

 

[Idgit]

Andre Gurode needs to be moved to left guard. His shotgun snaps are miserable...and the fact that he's not even doing a good job of making the blitz pickup calls suggests that there is no reason to keep him at the spot.

Marc Colombo's pass protection has been weak this year, too. He took several steps back...figure she got the contract extension.

Dude, what are you talking about? On both counts. You're just throwing stuff at a wall.

 

[JordanTaber]

Dude, what are you talking about? On both counts. You're just throwing stuff at a wall.

Um...

What I'm talking about is the fact that the center is the one responsible for alerting all the other players as to where the blitzers are coming from. The Cowboys constantly failed to pick up the blitz this year.

And if you didn't notice that Gurode's shotgun snaps are an adventure, you must have blinders on.

 

[Alexander]

They were fantastic last year ... with Sparano.

Bingo.

 

[Alexander]

I am convinced that the root of the problem is Flozell Adams. He is unwilling to correct his false start problem, his matador blocking problem, and it has become obvious that opposing defenses are keying on him with their best speed rushers.

You aren't going to correct a problem that engrained when the player is in his eleventh year in the league, much less reuniting him with the coach who never connected with him to begin with.

A lot of people gave Coach Parcells credit for getting through to Adams, and they were right. The same complaints some of you are making right now were very evident in 2002.