Hunkering down with a statistically brilliant QB who's a loser

[InmanRoshi]

If you put an ALL STAR team around most any QB, they can win a Super Bowl. UNFORTUNATELY, that's not how this league works. You have to win with what you have. You can't tell me his receivers aren't good enough. If you do, then I'll simply point to Terrell Owens and a young Jason Witten. He had Parcells as a coach, Wade and Garrett.

He's had some solid offensive lines when he started out his for 2 or 3 years. They were never GREAT, but you can't have GREAT all the time. YOU have to be great. He's had 6 years. The guy folds with pressure while guys like Eli, step aside, spots his target and gets the ball out.

Romo has fun playing against the trash of the league. This is where he brain-washes his fans. He takes teams like tampa bay, destroys them. Occasionally, he'll be a great team. Whoopie!! Even a gazelle escapes the super fast cheetah every now and then. Roethlisberger has a solid defense, but it's not like they are shutting teams down like the 85 bears. But when it's time to play the best of the best and win those games that will move you forward in the playoffs towards teh super bowl, he's got ice water in his veins.

Even when Romo played in the Pro Bowl a few years ago with the BEST OFFENSIVE LINE money can buy, he was HORRIBLE. You can root for the guy if you want, but I'm starting to hate the guy as a football player.

Most non-functionally ******** people have enough sense to know that the reason the Chargers didn't win a Superbowl wasn't because Dan Fouts somehow lacked some quality that held them back. Unfortunately, there's a lot of functionally ******** people in regards to Romo.

This is a 2-14 caliber team without Romo. This team really had absolutely no business winning 8 games, but Romo carried them to 8 wins (that's a winner). Romo put up a QB Rating of 100 Passer rating for the season, and the team failed to make the playoffs. Do you know how remarkably little the other 21 starters have to give you in support to fail to make the playoffs when your QB is providing you with 100 QB rating play? There were 3 other players who put up 100 QB Ratings this year ... Brees, Brady and Rodgers. Look up their teams' records. That's the type of record you should get with a quarterback playing that caliber if you supply them with even an iota of supporting talent. The only units on this team that even remotely qualify for playoff caliber are runningbacks (at times during the season), a couple of linebackers and wide receivers. And the wide receivers only looked that way because Romo made a guy that 31 NFL teams didn't even think was worthy of a roster spot just a few months ago into a legit #2 WR. Without Romo Laurent Robinson probably goes back to being the Laurent Robinson he was everywhere else in his career in the NFL. The secondary, the defensive line, the offensive line are Indianapolis Colts caliber.

 

[Wimbo]

I skipped the first part of your post because I see that as becoming a senseless discussion that partially comes down to semantics and perceptions.

As for the above, Romo could double his career yardage and TD's and playoff record and still fall well short of the stats of some of the others, and considering he will be 32 going into next season the odds of him doubling those numbers are pretty slim. And, again, the statistical bar is higher now than ever for QB's. Romo is competing for greatness in an era where 4,000 yard seasons are no longer rare.

What I see Romo as being on pace for is Jim Everett/Ken Anderson level - very good QB's recognized as such, but falling short of the "great" label because of no team success. Obviously that changes if some team success comes along in the next few years, but that's the pace for now.

Look at Aikman, Simms, Warner ..... without the team successes would they be viewed as great QB's?

Marino played until he was 38. So did Warner. Moon was 43 or 44. Lots of guys played well into their late 30's. Romo has lots of time left (if he can stay healthy - doubtful with the OL's he has been playing with lately). Even so, looking at the totals for a guy with 17 seasons of play vs a guy with 12-13 seasons of play is not apples to apples... you have to look at averages and percentages when comparing players like that.

As far as 4000 yd seasons... all of Romo's 16 game seasons have been for over 4000 yards.

Jim Everett? Romo's lowest ever completion % was 61.3. Everett only eclipsed that once in his career. Everett's career QB rating is almost 20 points lower than Romo, too. In fact, I don't think any of Everett's stats hold up to Romo's stats, except totals since Jim played twice as many games as Romo (so far).

edit... Jim Everett did make Jim Rome mess his pants... if Romo can do the same to Ed Werder, then they will be equal on that front.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

GimmeeABreak

 

[ternewt24]

Seriously??? you have a top 5 QB and your complaining!!! try being a Rams or Jaguars fan. they have nothing!! we at least have some great talent that just has to be more disciplined!!! and you know where that comes from!!! coaching

 

[Dhragon]

False statement unless you assume that without Romo we would have to use McGee or some other QB that is not and never will be starting caliber.

Remember, we won 5 games in half a season without Romo in 2010.

The reality is that without Romo we could win or lose more than we do now. It just depends on who the replacement is.

This excuse gets old. No one who ever uses it acknowledges that "maybe" the fact that the other 21 starters were all of a sudden given a wake up call that major changes were coming as they always do with a new HC and decided to stop mailing it in like they were. It's amazing how focused fear of losing your job can up your play.

Now though, with Jerry again stealing the HC spotlight and putting Red under the "puppet" coach label (though I'm sure there are quite a few who have yet to see that Red is fast becoming just another puppet), players have gone back to being unfocused and lazy.

Of course it can't be proven but I would bet if Romo was the QB with the other 21 starters playing like they were, he'd have done alot better than Kitna (who was what, 5-3 IIRC).

Kitna was a decent QB, Romo is much better. So go along thinking that you would be able to find another QB who can be better than Romo. What you'll likely get is more Quincys and Hutchinsons.

 

[Mansta54]

GimmeeABreak

Nice!!

 

[Romo2Bryant4Six]

Let me make it simple:

What held this team back was:

A.offensive line
B.secondary
C.meek pass rush
D.all of the above

Tony Romo is not the issue, he's not even A issue. I really feel bad for all of the posters on here that feel that way.

 

[Stautner]

Marino played until he was 38. So did Warner. Moon was 43 or 44. Lots of guys played well into their late 30's. Romo has lots of time left (if he can stay healthy - doubtful with the OL's he has been playing with lately). Even so, looking at the totals for a guy with 17 seasons of play vs a guy with 12-13 seasons of play is not apples to apples... you have to look at averages and percentages when comparing players like that.

As far as 4000 yd seasons... all of Romo's 16 game seasons have been for over 4000 yards.

Jim Everett? Romo's lowest ever completion % was 61.3. Everett only eclipsed that once in his career. Everett's career QB rating is almost 20 points lower than Romo, too. In fact, I don't think any of Everett's stats hold up to Romo's stats, except totals since Jim played twice as many games as Romo (so far).

First, playing and starting into late 30's and especially 40's is a rarity, not the norm. You can't assume that will be the case with Romo. 2nd, Romo got a late start. For example, by the time Marino was Romo's age he had been an NFL starter for 10 years and had amassed about 19,000 more passing yards than Romo. 3rd, Marino and Moon suffered statistcial dropoffs late in their careers, and it's likely Romo will too - you simply cannot assume Romo will be putting up similar stats at age 37 as he is now.

As for all of Romo's 16 game seasons being for over 4,000 yards (3 times), so what? It's a very nice stat, but no longer an uncommon feat. 10 QB's had over 4,000 yards this year, and 7 of them were younger than Romo. Cam Newton just had his 1st 4,000 yard season as a rookie at age 22. Stafford had a 5,000 yard season at age 23. Rodgers has just as many 4,000 yard seasons as Romo and is 3 years younger. Philip Rivers just completed his 4th consecutive 4,000 yard season and he is a year younger. Eli Manning just completed his 3rd straight 4,000 yard season and he is a year younger than Romo. Roethlesberger has two 4,000 yard seasons and he is 2 years younger than Romo. Drew Brees has 6 consecutive 4,000+ yard season, 2 of which were over 5,000 yards, and he is only a year older than Romo. In fact, Brees career yardage and TD's are almost double that of Romo and he is only 1 year older. Brady's yardage & TD's are about double Romo's and he is only 3 years older. Had Peyton played this year his stats would have ended almost triple what Romo has.

Then, of course, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Eli & Peyton Manning, and Roethlesberger all have Super Bowl wins under their belts.

Such is today's NFL. You have to remember that Romo isn't just competing against the greats from the past for "greatness" status, he is competing against the statistical explosion of QB's in today's game as well.

The reality is Romo's stats, while very good, do not stand out in today's NFL such that his lack of playoff success would still allow him to be labeled as "great".

 

[ufcrules1]

Let me make it simple:

What held this team back was:

A.offensive line
B.secondary
C.meek pass rush
D.A QB that single handedly threw away 2 games.
D.all of the above

Tony Romo is not the issue, he's not even A issue. I really feel bad for all of the posters on here that feel that way.

I'm going to go with D. All of the above.

 

[ufcrules1]

So, you telling me that a QB throws only 5 interceptions in 14 games, and he's the reason this team didn't make the playoff??? REALLY???REALLY??? smh...Some people really need to stop watching Espn & NFL Network really. I understand that everyone has a right to their opinion but OMG at least use some common sense while posting.

He is not the only reason the team didn't make the playoffs but he played his roll in us not making the playoffs as well. He single handedly lost the Jets and Lions games this year by being typical no thinking Tony. After everyone wanted to hang him, he tightened his game up and played well. Why does it have to take meltdowns for him to wake up and play the way he is supposed too? I'm tired of it.

BTW did you see him flop around like a fish out of water when he had pressure on him in the Giants game? How about the missed pass to a wide open Dez Bryant that would have went for 6 with NO PRESSURE on him? How did Eli do when he had pressure on him? He always found the open man or ran and burned us EVERY SINGLE TIME. I would take Eli any day over Romo.

 

[InmanRoshi]

He is not the only reason the team didn't make the playoffs but he played his roll in us not making the playoffs as well. He single handedly lost the Jets and Lions games this year by being typical no thinking Tony.

Without Tony Romo the team would have lost those games 34-3. This is a 2-14 caliber team without Romo, at best. Please educate yourself.

 

[burmafrd]

OP needs to change screen name to GIMME A BRAIN

 

[Romo2Bryant4Six]

I'm going to go with D. All of the above.

Of course you would troll.

 

[ufcrules1]

Without Tony Romo the team would have lost those games 34-3. This is a 2-14 caliber team without Romo, at best. Please educate yourself.

Funny we finished 6-10 last year without Tony and with a worse team. What makes you think we would be 2-14 this year without him? Please educate yourself instead of blindly following Tony.

 

[ufcrules1]

Of course you would troll.

Please don't name call. I'm fairly certain that is against the rules here.

 

[Wimbo]

First, playing and starting into late 30's and especially 40's is a rarity, not the norm. You can't assume that will be the case with Romo. 2nd, Romo got a late start. For example, by the time Marino was Romo's age he had been an NFL starter for 10 years and had amassed about 19,000 more passing yards than Romo. 3rd, Marino and Moon suffered statistcial dropoffs late in their careers, and it's likely Romo will too - you simply cannot assume Romo will be putting up similar stats at age 37 as he is now.

As for all of Romo's 16 game seasons being for over 4,000 yards (3 times), so what? It's a very nice stat, but no longer an uncommon feat. 10 QB's had over 4,000 yards this year, and 7 of them were younger than Romo. Cam Newton just had his 1st 4,000 yard season as a rookie at age 22. Stafford had a 5,000 yard season at age 23. Rodgers has just as many 4,000 yard seasons as Romo and is 3 years younger. Philip Rivers just completed his 4th consecutive 4,000 yard season and he is a year younger. Eli Manning just completed his 3rd straight 4,000 yard season and he is a year younger than Romo. Roethlesberger has two 4,000 yard seasons and he is 2 years younger than Romo. Drew Brees has 6 consecutive 4,000+ yard season, 2 of which were over 5,000 yards, and he is only a year older than Romo. In fact, Brees career yardage and TD's are almost double that of Romo and he is only 1 year older. Brady's yardage & TD's are about double Romo's and he is only 3 years older. Had Peyton played this year his stats would have ended almost triple what Romo has.

Then, of course, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Eli & Peyton Manning, and Roethlesberger all have Super Bowl wins under their belts.

Such is today's NFL. You have to remember that Romo isn't just competing against the greats from the past for "greatness" status, he is competing against the statistical explosion of QB's in today's game as well.

The reality is Romo's stats, while very good, do not stand out in today's NFL such that his lack of playoff success would still allow him to be labeled as "great".

Man, I think you are either missing the point, or are just arguing for the sake of argument.

My point, as evidenced by my first post on this thread, is:

This is a team sport, and Romo does not have a lot of talented teammates to help him out right now.... Big games are only played against the best opponents. We are losing a lot of those games because our TEAM is not good enough to compete with the opponent. Pinning that soley on Romo is just silly.

The fact are clear. Romo is putting up stats that are on par or better with some of the best QB's to ever play the game. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.

The Cowboy's lack of success is not because Romo isn't good enough. It's because he doesn't have the team around him to go any farther than he has. Put Brady, Rodgers, or Eli behind this team's OL & I don't think any of them do any better - that part is my opinion.

As far as the 4000 yards point... you are the one that brought it up, saying that good passers are throwing for 4000+ yards per season now days. I just pointed out that Romo is, too.

 

[InmanRoshi]

The fact are clear. Romo is putting up stats that are on par or better with some of the best QB's to ever play the game. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227543

 

[InmanRoshi]

Funny we finished 6-10 last year without Tony and with a worse team. What makes you think we would be 2-14 this year without him? Please educate yourself instead of blindly following Tony.

One of those wins came with Tony as a starter, one of those wins came in Week 17 with the Eagles resting their entire team for the playoffs. The Cowboys beat a 13-3 team this year thanks to Romo. What signature wins did we have without him last year?

Turn off the Skip Bayless. It turns your brain into mush and makes you think guys like Tim Tebow has magical "winner" voodoo powers that other quarterbacks don't have. Then you say things that turn out to be really embarrassing for yourself in hindsight

 

[SDogo]

In honor of today's thread of the day can I take a minute to call GimmeTheBall! a "troll"




























this post was in good nature

 

[gbrittain]

BTW you can't get rid of a 102.5 QB rating, 31 TDs to 10 INTs, and 4000 yard plus passer and be better at the QB position unless the replacement can duplicate those numbers or beat them.

The chances of that happening. Slim to none.