Hunkering down with a statistically brilliant QB who's a loser

[Frozen700]

We Will Never Win A Ring With Romo!

Who's we?

Your a cowboys fan now?

By the way.....if thats the case, you might as well leave, and come back when we have a new QB. Thanks man, see you in a few years...and please, hesitate to come back.

 

[CCBoy]

Both teams have ELITE QB's and excellent OL. Their D maybe terrible but generates TO.

We have none of the above.

Romo is very good but not ELITE.

Your analysis doesn't flow from A to B. Provide a similarly good offensive line, and find out if he is in fact, elite or not.

Brees was released at one point, and Brady didn't get a shot until the starter then, floundered.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Wow. This thread is absolutely ********.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

To win in this league, you need a WINNING quarterback and a WINNING Head Coach. We have neither. We don't have a winning GM either, but I know for a fact that won't change.

oh wow, is that what you need?? I would have never thought of those things

 

[arglebargle]

The Hair Shirt Brigade is out in force here of late.

Let's see, cherry pick QBs who went to the super bowl in their 20's. We'll ignore those that didn't. Elway for example. Ever checked Staubach's age in his Super Bowl appearances?

It's an axiom that NFL QBs get more accolades and more blame than they are actually responsible for. The OP shows a riff on this with his posts. Too many fans want an easy scapegoat, and are revving up the blamethrowers, with a distinct lack of understanding.

But hey, you've got a schtick and you're bound and determined to overuse it. Good luck with that.

Here's a little something I found for you....

Age of winning SuperBowl QBs:


•1 Bart Starr- 33

•2 Bart Starr- 34

•3 Joe Namath- 25

•4. Len Dawson- 34

•5. John Unitas- 37

•6. Roger Staubach- 29

•7. Bob Griese- 27

•8. Bob Griese- 28

•9. Terry Bradshaw- 26

•10. Terry Bradshaw- 27

•11. Ken Stabler- 31

•12. Roger Staubach - 35
•13. Terry Bradshaw- 30

•14. Terry Bradshaw- 31

•15. Jim Plunkett-33
•16. Joe Montana- 25

•17. Joe Theismann - 33

•18. Jim Plunkett- 36

•19. Joe Montana- 28

•20. Jim McMahon- 26

•21. Phil Simms- 32

•22. Doug Williams - 32

•23. Joe Montana- 32

•24. Joe Montana- 33

•25. Jeff Hostetler- 29

•26. Mark Rypien- 30

•27. Troy Aikman- 26

•28. Troy Aikman- 27

•29. Steve Young- 33

•30. Troy Aikman- 29

•31. Brett Favre- 27

•32. John Elway- 37

•33. John Elway-38
•34. Kurt Warner- 28

•35. Trent Dilfer- 28

•36. Tom Brady- 24

•37. Brad Johnson- 34

•38. Tom Brady-26
•39. Tom Brady-27
•40. Ben Roethlisberger-23
•41. Peyton Manning-30
•42. Eli Manning- 27
•43. Ben Roethlisberger - 26

 

[SultanOfSix]

oh wow, is that what you need?? I would have never thought of those things

Did the emphasis on winning help you out?

 

[Clove]

I just want to know one thing. Is it possible, in your opinion, that Romo has never had enough supporting talent around him since he's been the staring QB? Enough to go against the really good teams? Is it not possible that he isn't the John Elway type who can beat teams almost by himself, that he's below that tier and needs the help of others, that he is probably head and shoulders better than everyone on the roster, with a few possible exceptions, and that most everyone else is, contrary to popular belief, just average?

Is that at least a possibility? I'm just curious what you think.

If you put an ALL STAR team around most any QB, they can win a Super Bowl. UNFORTUNATELY, that's not how this league works. You have to win with what you have. You can't tell me his receivers aren't good enough. If you do, then I'll simply point to Terrell Owens and a young Jason Witten. He had Parcells as a coach, Wade and Garrett.

He's had some solid offensive lines when he started out his for 2 or 3 years. They were never GREAT, but you can't have GREAT all the time. YOU have to be great. He's had 6 years. The guy folds with pressure while guys like Eli, step aside, spots his target and gets the ball out.

Romo has fun playing against the trash of the league. This is where he brain-washes his fans. He takes teams like tampa bay, destroys them. Occasionally, he'll be a great team. Whoopie!! Even a gazelle escapes the super fast cheetah every now and then. Roethlisberger has a solid defense, but it's not like they are shutting teams down like the 85 bears. But when it's time to play the best of the best and win those games that will move you forward in the playoffs towards teh super bowl, he's got ice water in his veins.

Even when Romo played in the Pro Bowl a few years ago with the BEST OFFENSIVE LINE money can buy, he was HORRIBLE. You can root for the guy if you want, but I'm starting to hate the guy as a football player.

 

[CCBoy]

Wow. This thread is absolutely ********.

As is a ring tapping upon sarcasm as well.... At least burn barrel gives some dignity to social antagonism.

 

[SuspectCorner]

And I don't care how many of them come to his offense, they will NEVER EVER EVER convince me that he's a winner. I've played sports, I've played with winning quarterbacks, I've seen winning QBs, and winning quarterbacks find a way. They don't rely on anything else, they carry the team if they have to, and if the offensive line and the defense wants to chip in, then that's just icing on the cake.

Please, put away the superhero comic books...

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

Wow. This thread is absolutely ********.

yup, in past years I could easily understand the view from some of the cowards posting when it came to Romo & his play in crunch time, but this isn't the year to come out and spout off with some ridiculous senseless post with no basis behind your argument

 

[CCBoy]

oh wow, is that what you need?? I would have never thought of those things

Arrogance off the bus at Basic Training usually lasted all the way to the barber...

 

[Clove]

The Hair Shirt Brigade is out in force here of late.

Let's see, cherry pick QBs who went to the super bowl in their 20's. We'll ignore those that didn't. Elway for example. Ever checked Staubach's age in his Super Bowl appearances?

It's an axiom that NFL QBs get more accolades and more blame than they are actually responsible for. The OP shows a riff on this with his posts. Too many fans want an easy scapegoat, and are revving up the blamethrowers, with a distinct lack of understanding.

But hey, you've got a schtick and you're bound and determined to overuse it. Good luck with that.

Here's a little something I found for you....

Age of winning SuperBowl QBs:


•1 Bart Starr- 33

•2 Bart Starr- 34

•3 Joe Namath- 25

•4. Len Dawson- 34

•5. John Unitas- 37

•6. Roger Staubach- 29

•7. Bob Griese- 27

•8. Bob Griese- 28

•9. Terry Bradshaw- 26

•10. Terry Bradshaw- 27

•11. Ken Stabler- 31

•12. Roger Staubach - 35
•13. Terry Bradshaw- 30

•14. Terry Bradshaw- 31

•15. Jim Plunkett-33
•16. Joe Montana- 25

•17. Joe Theismann - 33

•18. Jim Plunkett- 36

•19. Joe Montana- 28

•20. Jim McMahon- 26

•21. Phil Simms- 32

•22. Doug Williams - 32

•23. Joe Montana- 32

•24. Joe Montana- 33

•25. Jeff Hostetler- 29

•26. Mark Rypien- 30

•27. Troy Aikman- 26

•28. Troy Aikman- 27

•29. Steve Young- 33

•30. Troy Aikman- 29

•31. Brett Favre- 27

•32. John Elway- 37

•33. John Elway-38
•34. Kurt Warner- 28

•35. Trent Dilfer- 28

•36. Tom Brady- 24

•37. Brad Johnson- 34

•38. Tom Brady-26
•39. Tom Brady-27
•40. Ben Roethlisberger-23
•41. Peyton Manning-30
•42. Eli Manning- 27
•43. Ben Roethlisberger - 26

Since you wasted your time typing all of this, how about you research how many playoff victories they won in their careers before winning the SB? Were those Quarterbacks at least competitive?

 

[SDogo]

what the.........

 

[Clove]

Please, put away the superhero comic books...

You don't think Roethlisberger ran for his life in some of those play off games? How much did New England's defense pitch in or New Orleans or Green bay's defense pitch in to help them win? You need to come out of your little tiny world you live in and see more than the love you have for a lguy who can't get it done.

 

[Stautner]

I am really tired of people saying Romo will not be considered a great QB until he wins a Super Bowl. That is just ignorance. There have only been 28 QB's in the history of the NFL to win a Superbowl, and some of those guys were not so great (Hostetler, Rypien, Dilfer, Brad Johnson). There have also been a lot og great QB's who never won a Super Bowl (Marino, Fouts, Esiason, Kelly, Moon, etc).

This is a team sport, and Romo does not have a lot of talented teammates to help him out right now. Sure, the skill positions on offense are all good enough to win, but without an OL it ain't going to happen. And, the Defense is terrible beyond about 4-5 guys.

Big games are only played against the best opponents. We are losing a lot of those games because our TEAM is not good enough to compete with the opponent. Pinning that soley on Romo is just silly.

While I agree that it's wrong to pin too much of the blame on Romo, the argument about there only being 28 QB's who have won the SB doesn't really help Romo's case either. Even though there are some QB's who are considered greats that never won the SB, they are far ahead of Romo statistically, and most had at least some success in the playoffs.

Look at the guys you mentioned. Romo is 41,000 career yards, 271 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls, 3 All-Pros, a whole slew of playoff appearances & a Super Bowl appearance behind Marino; he is 29,000 career yards, 142 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls & several playoff appearances behind Moon; he is 23,000 career yards, 105 TD's, 3 Pro-Bowls & 2 All-Pros behind Fouts; he is 17,000 yards, 98 TD's, 1 Pro-Bowl & 1 All-Pro behind Esiason (who isn't actually even considered a "great" QB); and 15,000 career yards, 88 TD's, 2 Pro-Bowls, 1 All-Pro, a slew of playoff games and 4 SB appearances behind Kelly.

Romo will close the gap some, and may catch up with a couple of these players in a few statistical categories, but at almost 32 years old he isn't going to come close to the statistcal level of some of these players, and he is already well behind some of them in terms of playoff appearances and success. Another thing to remember is that the bar for greatness built on statistics is much higher now than in the past with the ever increasing emphasis on passing in the NFL. This year alone there were 10 QB's who threw for over 4,000 yards - including a rookie.

Don't get me wrong. I think Romo is a very good QB and given the right team and circumstances around him I think he is capable of winning a Super Bowl. But I have to say that his statistics alone are not likely to be enough for him to be considered "great". He is going to need more playoff appearances and more playoff success for that.

 

[arglebargle]

Please, put away the superhero comic books...

Even Marvel and DC wouldn't do that....unless it was a Bizzaro-land special.

 

[ufcrules1]

Don't get me wrong. I think Romo is a very good QB and given the right team and circumstances around him I think he is capable of winning a Super Bowl. But I have to say that his statistics alone are not likely to be enough for him to be considered "great". He is going to need more playoff appearances and more playoff success for that.

And will have to play a bigger role in getting his team to the playoffs and actually being a leader. Right now he is KNOWN for being a choke artist. Give us those 2 games back that he pretty much lost all by himself and the game against the Giants the other night doesn't even matter, we already have the division won.

Either way, he is 32 years old and we need to start thinking of a replacement to groom for when the coaches and JJ stop worshipping him.

 

[arglebargle]

Arrogance off the bus at Basic Training usually lasted all the way to the barber...

Always get yourself clipped before you head in. And don't bring anything from home.

 

[Dodger]

If you put an ALL STAR team around most any QB, they can win a Super Bowl. UNFORTUNATELY, that's not how this league works. You have to win with what you have. You can't tell me his receivers aren't good enough. If you do, then I'll simply point to Terrell Owens and a young Jason Witten. He had Parcells as a coach, Wade and Garrett.

He's had some solid offensive lines when he started out his for 2 or 3 years. They were never GREAT, but you can't have GREAT all the time. YOU have to be great. He's had 6 years. The guy folds with pressure while guys like Eli, step aside, spots his target and gets the ball out.

Romo has fun playing against the trash of the league. This is where he brain-washes his fans. He takes teams like tampa bay, destroys them. Occasionally, he'll be a great team. Whoopie!! Even a gazelle escapes the super fast cheetah every now and then. Roethlisberger has a solid defense, but it's not like they are shutting teams down like the 85 bears. But when it's time to play the best of the best and win those games that will move you forward in the playoffs towards teh super bowl, he's got ice water in his veins.

Even when Romo played in the Pro Bowl a few years ago with the BEST OFFENSIVE LINE money can buy, he was HORRIBLE. You can root for the guy if you want, but I'm starting to hate the guy as a football player.

Okay, ignoring the all star team comment and other superfluous text, I'm assuming you think that he has had enough good talent around him to win a SB at some point.

Based on what I've seen over the past several years, I'm going to disagree. I think the talent has been pretty good some years, but most of the time, especially in the last couple years, it's not been good enough. This is where we'll never find any common ground, so it's not really worth the effort to continue.

A couple things, though. One, Roethlisberger sucked in his first SB, so I wouldn't exactly use him as your example. In fact, that SB is a great example of what I'm trying to say. Second, the pro bowl. Really? Not sure I'd use that as an example either.

 

[CCBoy]

Always get yourself clipped before you head in. And don't bring anything from home.

And the Drill Sergeant will quickly get a handle upon an 'attitude adjustment.'