Hunkering down with a statistically brilliant QB who's a loser

ufcrules1;4355373 said:
And will have to play a bigger role in getting his team to the playoffs and actually being a leader. Right now he is KNOWN for being a choke artist. Give us those 2 games back that he pretty much lost all by himself and the game against the Giants the other night doesn't even matter, we already have the division won.

Either way, he is 32 years old and we need to start thinking of a replacement to groom for when the coaches and JJ stop worshipping him.

What do you think it would take to trade up for Luck? Our 1st & 3rd rounders along with a WR (Miles maybe)? May not be enough, but assuming we can resign Robinson I would do that deal and then go find a veteran No. 3 WR to sign. Let Luck sit and learn for a year, then trade Romo to a team that is a veteran QB away from competing.

Yeah, I know - a pipe dream.
 
GimmeTheBall!;4354915 said:
Mens, fellow travelers, cubicle dwellers, persons of interest and trappists monks:

I come to you with a heavy heart and mental holiday detritous. It's about the man known as Tony Romo.

Tony Romo has a resume that would make Danny White proud. He yawns at 300-plus passing days. He kin do it in his sleep.
He can take NFL teams to 9-7 repeatedly. His golf swing is a work in progress, but be assured he will be an average to almost good golf player on day.
But as to football, we now come to the awful realization, as determined by my furtile brain, that he's a loser in big games. He'll fumble. He'll throw picks. He'll mismanage the clock and take a sack while the Eli Mannings of the world elude them.
Face it: Tony Romo is a loser for us.
His fans will point to the Danny White stats. His detractors will say, yeah, but that don't make the long, Ingmar Bergman-type winters any less lonelier or any more fun.
A columnist the other day wrote some startling words the other day. In a nutshell, Manning and his ilk (including Aikman) all won their Super Bowls while in their mid to late 20s. Romo will be, what, 32, next season?
Time to annoint Romo the Danny White of our time. Only Danny had more personality, as strange as that may seem.
Time to say/admit that Romo will be the interim QB until we find a real QB like Brees, Rogers, Manning, etc.
Time to start roiling the waters of march to raise our voices that we need to draft a smart and tough and leader QB. Then see Romo age out at 35 and we start over.
The Romo era is over as we know it. You know it, I know, Bob Dole knows it.
No more Oh-Nos.
No more false hopes from a statistically brilliant QB who falls against the true giants of December.

You're one clueless guy.
 
ufcrules1;4355373 said:
Right now he is KNOWN for being a choke artist. Give us those 2 back that he pretty much lost all by himself and the game against the Giants the other night doesn't even matter, we already have the division won.

Romo constantly had to save the defense & put this team in positions to get the W's after the defense gave up drives against the Giants-Commanders-Cardinals & brought them back at the end against Miami-49ers.. How about if the defense stops New England-Giants & Arizona??? lol , come on dude.. goes BOTH ways
 
juck;4355175 said:
Its funny how NE has an awful defense and the worst secondary ever. They have a WR converted to CB. It doesnt matter cause they have Brady and can score no matter what. Its a passing and scoring league now. GB,NO and NE show this.

NE has a HC. We don't.
 
Stautner;4355392 said:
What do you think it would take to trade up for Luck? Our 1st & 3rd rounders along with a WR (Miles maybe)? May not be enough, but assuming we can resign Robinson I would do that deal and then go find a veteran No. 3 WR to sign. Let Luck sit and learn for a year, then trade Romo to a team that is a veteran QB away from competing.

Yeah, I know - a pipe dream.

Big time pipe dream. Even if we could manage to do something like that, we wouldn't because in Dallas we get stuck on big name players and Tony is practically a God around here. You already see how some of the fans worship him regardless of how he performs! Tons of excuses for him. Jerry is worst than that if you can imagine.

I would give up a 1st and 3rd and include Miles and Jones for Luck in a second.
 
CCBoy;4355389 said:
:D And the Drill Sergeant will quickly get a handle upon an 'attitude adjustment.'

It just shows you're prepared. ;)

And if you've thought it through, it should definitely not be summertime.
 
UncFelix28;4355407 said:
Romo constantly had to save the defense & put this team in positions to get the W's after the defense gave up drives against the Giants-Commanders-Cardinals & brought them back at the end against Miami-49ers.. How about if the defense stops New England-Giants & Arizona??? lol , come on dude.. goes BOTH ways

Defensive line, secondary, and offensive line need to be fixed first and foremost. Then we need to groom someone to take over for Romo. He single handedly lost the games against the Jets and Lions. At least the other guys lost those other games as a team. He did it all by himself in the other 2.
 
arglebargle;4355414 said:
It just shows you're prepared. ;)

And if you've thought it through, it should definitely not be summertime.

Fort Benning is very hot and showers are a killer there...
 
ufcrules1;4355412 said:
Big time pipe dream. Even if we could manage to do something like that, we wouldn't because in Dallas we get stuck on big name players and Tony is practically a God around here. You already see how some of the fans worship him regardless of how he performs! Tons of excuses for him. Jerry is worst than that if you can imagine.

I would give up a 1st and 3rd and include Miles and Jones for Luck in a second.

While it is true that Romo holds that status with some fans, it's certainly not universal. A lot of people have become disgruntled with Romo. Of course some of the criticism is overblown and unfair, just like some of the blind faith is unwarrented. Fact is Romo is a quality NFL QB, but we need to prepare for life after a 32 year old Romo and if we can upgrade and get younger at the same time then why they hell not?

I would throw Jones in too.
 
Romo is the least of the Cowboys problems.

I can't believe I just said that. Anyway, there are probably 20 or more teams in the NFL who would love to have Romo as their starting QB.

It was said here a long time ago now...the kid has moxie. No quit in him at all. Problem is and only is that he has a little too much Favre resemblance than Peyton Manning as far as playing style.
 
GimmeTheBall!;4354915 said:
Mens, fellow travelers, cubicle dwellers, persons of interest and trappists monks:


Face it: Tony Romo is a loser for us.
His fans will point to the Danny White stats.


Time to annoint Romo the Danny White of our time. Only Danny had more personality, as strange as that may seem.
Here is a Danny stat that you seem unable to comprehend:
White - 3 NFC Championship Game appearances
Romo - still to come
I am not hammering Romo, I am defending Danny from this same old crap. Tony has a ways to go yet to accomplish what White did. One playoff win does not get Tony there yet.

Now, if everyone could just grasp these 2 facts:
1. ROMO IS NOT WHAT IS KILLING THIS TEAM! Tony is what keep the Cowboys competitive. Without him, Dallas is would be lucky to win 2-3 games a year.

2. JERRY JONES'S EGO IS WHAT IS KILLING THE COWBOYS!

:starspin
 
SkinsandTerps;4355436 said:
Problem is and only is that he has a little too much Favre resemblance than Peyton Manning as far as playing style.

Yeah, he has a little too much of the bad Favre in him. The one who had epic failure interceptions. He is missing the grit, leadership, heart and skill level of Favre.
 
SDCowboy85;4354941 said:
:facepalm: Not this crap again...

When Picard is right, he's right...and on this post, oh boy is he right.
 
Stautner;4355429 said:
While it is true that Romo holds that status with some fans, it's certainly not universal. A lot of people have become disgruntled with Romo. Of course some of the criticism is overblown and unfair, just like some of the blind faith is unwarrented. Fact is Romo is a quality NFL QB, but we need to prepare for life after a 32 year old Romo and if we can upgrade and get younger at the same time then why they hell not?

I would throw Jones in too.

I can agree with your post.... and I bet you would throw in Jones too! Would you do Miles, Witten, and 1st and 3rd rounders for Luck? I'm not sure a QB like this comes around very often. He could be an elite guy like Rogers, Brady, Brees, and Peyton.
 
DWhite Fan;4355437 said:
Tony is what keep the Cowboys competitive. Without him, Dallas is would be lucky to win 2-3 games a year.

False statement unless you assume that without Romo we would have to use McGee or some other QB that is not and never will be starting caliber.

Remember, we won 5 games in half a season without Romo in 2010.

The reality is that without Romo we could win or lose more than we do now. It just depends on who the replacement is.
 
Stautner;4355345 said:
While I agree that it's wrong to pin too much of the blame on Romo, the argument about there only being 28 QB's who have won the SB doesn't really help Romo's case either. Even though there are some QB's who are considered greats that never won the SB, they are far ahead of Romo statistically, and most had at least some success in the playoffs.

Look at the guys you mentioned. Romo is 41,000 career yards, 271 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls, 3 All-Pros, a whole slew of playoff appearances & a Super Bowl appearance behind Marino; he is 29,000 career yards, 142 TDs, 6 Pro Bowls & several playoff appearances behind Moon; he is 23,000 career yards, 105 TD's, 3 Pro-Bowls & 2 All-Pros behind Fouts; he is 17,000 yards, 98 TD's, 1 Pro-Bowl & 1 All-Pro behind Esiason (who isn't actually even considered a "great" QB); and 15,000 career yards, 88 TD's, 2 Pro-Bowls, 1 All-Pro, a slew of playoff games and 4 SB appearances behind Kelly.

Romo will close the gap some, and may catch up with a couple of these players in a few statistical categories, but at almost 32 years old he isn't going to come close to the statistcal level of some of these players, and he is already well behind some of them in terms of playoff appearances and success. Another thing to remember is that the bar for greatness built on statistics is much higher now than in the past with the ever increasing emphasis on passing in the NFL. This year alone there were 10 QB's who threw for over 4,000 yards - including a rookie.

Don't get me wrong. I think Romo is a very good QB and given the right team and circumstances around him I think he is capable of winning a Super Bowl. But I have to say that his statistics alone are not likely to be enough for him to be considered "great". He is going to need more playoff appearances and more playoff success for that.


Well, for starters... Marino Started for 17 seasons (Moon 17, Fouts 15, Esiason 14, and Kelly 11) while Romo has only been a starter for 6 seasons. Looking at totals is not a fair assessment of statistics. Yet, with all Marino's greatness (which I watched as an avid football fan & agree with ), consider this...

Completion %: Romo 64.5; Marino 59.4
TD %: Romo 5.7; Marino 5.0
Interception %: Romo 2.8; Marino 3.0
Yards per attempt: Romo 8; Marino 7.3
QB Rating: Romo 96.9; Marino 86.4
Sacked %: Romo 5.2; Marino 3.1

Despite being a QB known for being mobile in the pocket, Romo has been sacked (on average) nearly twice as much as Marino, who was known as a purely pocket passer that couldn't move well. Yet, Romo's production is still on par with (or in most cases better than) the great Dan Marino. The difference is that Marino had protection and Romo does not.

Give Romo a solid line & great things will happen.
 
ufcrules1;4355448 said:
Yeah, he has a little too much of the bad Favre in him. The one who had epic failure interceptions. He is missing the grit, leadership, heart and skill level of Favre.

I agree about the bad parts, but he is still better than most of the starting QBs in the league, and not simply stats.

He is a leader, he makes some bonehead mistakes but keeps on fighting, tough as they come.

Favre was not a leader, that part is far from true (My brother is a Packers fan). He (Romo) has heart and I do believe that he is more talented than Favre ever was. Perhaps Romo is missing the gritty part of Favre, but I would take Romo over Favre both in their prime to start a team.
 

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