Hunkering down with a statistically brilliant QB who's a loser

[Wimbo]

Also, your stats ignores that Marino was in the playoffs 10 times, and got to the Super Bowl once, and maintained success for a hell of a long time - all of which adds to his status as a great QB.

Ahhh... now you are proving my point for me. Marino was a great QB with a team around him that allowed the team to make it to the playoffs. Romo doesn't have that right now. By the way, a Marino led team finished 8-8 or worse 6 times in his 17 years as a starter. Romo has only done it once (excluding 2010 when he played less than half the games. I also excluded 1993 when Marino played less than half the games.)

 

[DWhite Fan]

Yes, but you are just pointing out exactly how bad Kitna and McGee are. I think we all know those 2 are terrible QB's. How about if we had a Cutler in here, or Rape-lisburger, or Eli? How would we do then? Are those guys all going to choke bad because of our offensive line? Cutler tears it up with TERRBILE WR's and his line is no better than ours.

One thing I will say in comparison of Eli and Romo, it is always easier to pick a defense apart when your oline is stonewalling the other teams defense. For some reason, and it drives me nuts, Dallas always manages to make Eli look like Joe Montana!

As to Ben R., I have always thought he was a superb QB but the Steelers give him a defense that allows him to be reckless and get away with it. Romo does not have that security blanket. No knock on Romo, but I think Ben is a better QB than Romo, always have.

Cutler behind the line that Romo has now would fair no better than Tony. Look at the season Romo had this year, he was tearing it up pretty darn good too. Just a shame that the rest of the Cowboys as a whole did not step up their game as well.

I do not buy into the "Romo is a choker" mentality because it is just not true. The guy played his guts out this season and he is most assuredly not what held Dallas back this year.
:starspin

 

[UVAwahoos]

Finally, Romo also passed Staubach in those areas you mentioned. Not sure many Cowboy fans would put Romo in the same Company with Staubach.

I would, but it's not a fair comparison at this point. Staubach and Marino both had far better coaching. Say what you want about Garrett, but he wouldn't even be hired to wipe the toilets on a Shula or Landry staff. Wade at least would get a DC job on most any staff, but he also was not a great HC. Romo has been doing it without any supporting franchise structure since Parcells and his staff left.

No top 7 QB other than Rivers in SD has a similar issue and look at where the Cowboys and Chargers have been the last few years...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

When Picard is right, he's right...and on this post, oh boy is he right.

If only Picard had the power to censor and destroy opinions contrary to his thought system. That would be swell!!!!!

That's the world i want to live in. . . .

 

[Air Force One]

You guys who think we could get luck with our first and third and Miles are mistaken...

They will want Sean Lee thrown in with our first and third this year and our first next year. IMO that's how expensive he will be.

 

[OriginalNameGuy]

Cowboys fans without a lick of football knowledge expose themselves in Tony Romo discussions. Posts in the style of those of the OP are played out.

 

[Stautner]

Ahhh... now you are proving my point for me. Marino was a great QB with a team around him that allowed the team to make it to the playoffs. Romo doesn't have that right now. By the way, a Marino led team finished 8-8 or worse 6 times in his 17 years as a starter. Romo has only done it once (excluding 2010 when he played less than half the games. I also excluded 1993 when Marino played less than half the games.)

Come on, giving all the credit to Marino's teams is every bit as bogus as giving all the blame to Romo.

By the way, how is it that the years the Dolphins had success were a refelection of the team, yet the years the Dolphins didn't fare well were a reflection of Marino. Seems you have a double standard.

And apparently you have a very low opinion of those who compete at a high level for a long time - by your measure all that matters is a handful of big statistical years and that makes a QB great. Sorry, I don't by it, and history won't buy it either.

The fact of the matter is that while it may not be completely fair, there are two measures of greatness with a QB - statistics and team success. The greater the team success, the less prolific the stats have to be (ie. Aikman), and the lesser the team success the more prolific the stats have to be (ie. Marino, Fouts, Moon). That's just the way it is, and that won't change no matter how you argue against it.


Romo is a very good QB, but the reality is the only way Romo will go down as being in the category of those you named (aside from Esiason) is to either put up stats similar to what he is now for another 5-7 years or to start having some post season success. 32,000 yards, 200 TD's and no playoff success is not going to be judged as greatness, especially in today's NFL where passing stats are going through the roof.

 

[Stautner]

You guys who think we could get luck with our first and third and Miles are mistaken...

They will want Sean Lee thrown in with our first and third this year and our first next year. IMO that's how expensive he will be.

When I threw that out I said it was a pipe dream and probably wouldn't be enough.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

If people would just quit with having to pick an individual and they opened their eyes to the real problems, instead of using that players name in the blame game, oh how much smarter this fan base would become..

 

[PullMyFinger]

102 QB rating says hello

 

[DFWJC]

Just can't agree with the OP at all.

Like many others, you are fully allowed to feel that way.
I just don't see it that way whatsoever.
Romo does not seem to be "a loser" to me.

My I suggest you read the Op in the Dilfer-comments thread. He gets it.

 

[gbrittain]

Every player has a job. Tony Romo in the month of December:

71.12% Completion Rate
1158 Yards
10 TDs
1 INT
115.87 QB Rating

Tony did his job more than admirably...his supporting cast not so much.

I know stats dont matter. Well actually they do, but if you look at those stupid little stats it blows away any stupid agenda that Romo does not have what it takes.

If I could break out a crystal ball and tell any GM that I know exactly which QB will put up those numbers in December and that said QB will also have the second highest QB rating in league history, you better believe the GM would not ask me if he was a winner. He would already know that and he would draft that QB #1 overall and realize it is the GMs job to give that QB the tools around him to win a championship.

 

[treykin32]

If someone would have told me that Romo would have thrown half of all his picks in 2 games (Detroit - 3 & Miami - 2), I would have just known we would be playoff bound. So, you telling me that a QB throws only 5 interceptions in 14 games, and he's the reason this team didn't make the playoff??? REALLY???REALLY??? smh...Some people really need to stop watching Espn & NFL Network really. I understand that everyone has a right to their opinion but OMG at least use some common sense while posting.

 

[landroverking]

Funny isn't it Danny atleast had an O line. A D and someone named Tony to hand the ball off to. All you Romo haters just need to give it a rest.

 

[Wimbo]

Come on, giving all the credit to Marino's teams is every bit as bogus as giving all the blame to Romo.

What? My specific words were: "Marino was a great QB with a team around him that allowed the team to make it to the playoffs". How is that giving all the credit to Marino's team? I was simply stating that even a great QB needs a good team around him in order to get to the next level.

By the way, how is it that the years the Dolphins had success were a refelection of the team, yet the years the Dolphins didn't fare well were a reflection of Marino. Seems you have a double standard.

What? When did I ever say anything like that? My post was just pointing out that even great QB's have bad seasons... If anything this is yet another proof point to my statement about QB's needing a good team around them in order to win.

And apparently you have a very low opinion of those who compete at a high level for a long time - by your measure all that matters is a handful of big statistical years and that makes a QB great.

Where are you getting this from? I am not going to debate with you about a point that I never made. I'm not sure where you came to the conclusion that I have a low opinion of those who compete well over a long period of time... that is crazy.

The fact of the matter is that while it may not be completely fair, there are two measures of greatness with a QB - statistics and team success. The greater the team success, the less prolific the stats have to be (ie. Aikman), and the lesser the team success the more prolific the stats have to be (ie. Marino, Fouts, Moon). That's just the way it is, and that won't change no matter how you argue against it.

I agree with this. However, at this point in his career Romo is outpacing many if not all of the other QB's we are discussing in terms of raw statistics. For some reason that I can't understand, people still hate him & want to run him out of Dallas. I think people should acknowledge that we have a very good - possibly great - QB on our team & his talents are being wasted unless he gets the protection needed by every QB in order to win against top competition.

 

[dffl11]

If someone would have told me that Romo would have thrown half of all his picks in 2 games (Detroit - 3 & Miami - 2), I would have just known we would be playoff bound. So, you telling me that a QB throws only 5 interceptions in 14 games, and he's the reason this team didn't make the playoff??? REALLY???REALLY??? smh...Some people really need to stop watching Espn & NFL Network really. I understand that everyone has a right to their opinion but OMG at least use some common sense while posting.

so true........it baffles me........

and a poster actually says "We will never win a ring with Romo" and his signature is Dirk and the NBA Championship trophy.......LMAO. talk about ironic.......

can't make this stuff up!

I am done arguing the point anymore, fact is, Romo is far more the solution then the problem.......

 

[Mansta54]

so true........it baffles me........

and a poster actually says "We will never win a ring with Romo" and his signature is Dirk and the NBA Championship trophy.......LMAO. talk about ironic.......

can't make this stuff up!

I am done arguing the point anymore, fact is, Romo is far more the solution then the problem.......

No doubt about it..

 

[gbrittain]

so true........it baffles me........

and a poster actually says "We will never win a ring with Romo" and his signature is Dirk and the NBA Championship trophy.......LMAO. talk about ironic.......

can't make this stuff up!

I am done arguing the point anymore, fact is, Romo is far more the solution then the problem.......

That is where I need to be, but have not quite made it there yet.

All evidence points to Romo is a very good to great QB. Evidence points to sub-par defense and OL at a minimum. But screw that and the facts...lets blame Romo.

 

[Stautner]

I agree with this. However, at this point in his career Romo is outpacing many if not all of the other QB's we are discussing in terms of raw statistics. For some reason that I can't understand, people still hate him & want to run him out of Dallas. I think people should acknowledge that we have a very good - possibly great - QB on our team & his talents are being wasted unless he gets the protection needed by every QB in order to win against top qompetition.

I skipped the first part of your post because I see that as becoming a senseless discussion that partially comes down to semantics and perceptions.

As for the above, Romo could double his career yardage and TD's and playoff record and still fall well short of the stats of some of the others, and considering he will be 32 going into next season the odds of him doubling those numbers are pretty slim. And, again, the statistical bar is higher now than ever for QB's. Romo is competing for greatness in an era where 4,000 yard seasons are no longer rare.

What I see Romo as being on pace for is Jim Everett/Ken Anderson level - very good QB's recognized as such, but falling short of the "great" label because of no team success. Obviously that changes if some team success comes along in the next few years, but that's the pace for now.

Look at Aikman, Simms, Warner ..... without the team successes would they be viewed as great QB's?

 

[Milkbone]

I skipped the first part of your post because I see that as becoming a senseless discussion that partially comes down to semantics and perceptions.

As for the above, Romo could double his career yardage and TD's and playoff record and still fall well short of the stats of some of the others, and considering he will be 32 going into next season the odds of him doubling those numbers are pretty slim. And, again, the statistical bar is higher now than ever for QB's. Romo is competing for greatness in an era where 4,000 yard seasons are no longer rare.

What I see Romo as being on pace for is Jim Everett/Ken Anderson level - very good QB's recognized as such, but falling short of the "great" label because of no team success. Obviously that changes if some team success comes along in the next few years, but that's the pace for now.

Look at Aikman, Simms, Warner ..... without the team successes would they be viewed as great QB's?

You seem too be taking the middle ground, which I agree with, but some are taking your posts as being anti Romo, which you aren't doing. Keep up the good work.